Confirmed with Link: Leafs trade Beck, Finn, Gibson, Nilsson and Verhaeghe for Grabner

[TankNationTillDeath]

So much confusion for such a simple deal.

Leafs had 49 players under contract, only had room for one more under 50 contract limit.

They shipped out low probability depth from past regime for another roster spot next year.

It's a flexibility move that future proofs them pretty well next year, grabner will turn into a great set of picks at the deadline to replace a couple of the pieces we gave up today, and the PTO's can now be signed for additional picks.. Thanks to the fact we can now trade about 5-6 guys for 1-2 picks each, we needed to create roster space.. So this is a huge Win-Win

 

[gordonshumway]

It's a flexibility move that future proofs them pretty well next year, grabner will turn into a great set of picks at the deadline to replace a couple of the pieces we gave up today, and the PTO's can now be signed for additional picks.. Thanks to the fact we can now trade about 5-6 guys for 1-2 picks each, we needed to create roster space.. So this is a huge Win-Win

It's only a win if those prospects don't amount to anything... somehow I doubt all five will bust... but as usual, time will tell.

 

[TLeafsFan]

Trade on Mighty McLou, trade on!

 

[Mess]

That makes a lot of sense and we did end up with a pretty good NHL player, so on balance, it isn't quite as one sided as I first thought, when I first saw the thread posted and all the media comments but they got a player they targeted and that's how you build a team but still a shocker.

Mark Hunter also invited Aiden Jamieson to camp from his London Knights. Perhaps we hear he gets signed to a ELC with the free contract space.

IN verses OUT

Grabner >> Beck
Joly >> Verhaeghe
Peresinni >> Gibson
Brouilard >> Finn
Jamieson >> Nilsson

A 5 for 1 trade could be viewed as 5 for 5 trade with the prospect pool replenished with undrafted prospects that Mark Hunter brought to rookie camp and values as better potential than the ones dumped to make contract space.

 

[hotpaws]

This should be a lesson for those who feel the need to constantly make excuse and defend non developing prospects . There is no magic age where a light suddenly comes on and you become a NHLer after years of not developing .

every year a new batch of prospects comes along and either you continue to progress or someone will take your spot in the organization

also you either have an NHL skill set or you don't , there's a lot of competition and being a good jr player doesn't guarantee success at the next level

 

[Guy Boucher]

Mark Hunter also invited Aiden Jamieson to camp from his London Knights. Perhaps we hear he gets signed to a ELC with the free contract space.

IN verses OUT

Grabner >> Beck
Joly >> Verhaeghe
Peresinni >> Gibson
Brouilard >> Finn
Jamieson >> Nilsson

A 5 for 1 trade could be viewed as 5 for 5 trade with the prospect pool replenished with undrafted prospects that Mark Hunter brought to rookie camp and values as better potential than the ones dumped to make contract space.

Peresinni is not much better than Gibson, if better at all. Same with Jamieson and Nilsson. Nilsson is way better than Jamieson.

The rest I agree with.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

Agreed. What I found most odd about Finn in the prospects camp was the disparity between fans who said he played well and those who said he played very poorly.

A lot of fans that backed him were just unwilling to admit that a high second round pick was a bust so quickly.

 

[hotpaws]

Mark Hunter also invited Aiden Jamieson to camp from his London Knights. Perhaps we hear he gets signed to a ELC with the free contract space.

IN verses OUT

Grabner >> Beck
Joly >> Verhaeghe
Peresinni >> Gibson
Brouilard >> Finn
Jamieson >> Nilsson

A 5 for 1 trade could be viewed as 5 for 5 trade with the prospect pool replenished with undrafted prospects that Mark Hunter brought to rookie camp and values as better potential than the ones dumped to make contract space.

yup pretty much

They cleared the contract spots for a reason so maybe they have guys in camp they want to sign or maybe they're looking at other teams and hoping they can snag a kid they want from a team that has to put them on waivers . Either way they obviously didn't see any future in the guys they moved so hopefully they can fill the spots with higher upside prospects .

 

[Sergei Berezin]

Really doubt they sign either of Peresinni or Jameison to contracts. They're nothing prospects that really didn't show too much at the development camp anyway. Maybe they'll get AHL deals and start out in the ECHL but that's best case scenario for them.

I'm sure the opening of contract spots is for PTO guys and waiver pick-ups. I'm pretty sure the Leafs were at the max contracts at the beginning of last season and might have missed out on picking Markstrom from Vancouver who had himself a fine season.

 

[I Believe]

I think Carter V has some potential.

The rest...meh.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Just watched media day interviews one hour before the trade and feel so sorry for beck and gibson..beck was so thrilled to start his leafs adventure and after one hour boom he's gone without playing at least a preseason game for the leafs  sport world is cruel sometime 

 

[diceman934]

This should be a lesson for those who feel the need to constantly make excuse and defend non developing prospects . There is no magic age where a light suddenly comes on and you become a NHLer after years of not developing .

every year a new batch of prospects comes along and either you continue to progress or someone will take your spot in the organization

also you either have an NHL skill set or you don't , there's a lot of competition and being a good jr player doesn't guarantee success at the next level

Agreed, the only player we gave up that may come back and be a good NHL player is Gibson, he was after all our best AHL goalie last year and got the Marlies into the playoffs. I'm also a little bias as I know this young man....I believe it gives Gibber a better opportunity so I'm happy for him.

After watching the recent Rookie tourney, we had others who played much better and we will likley sign a couple to ELC. I'm hoping we can sign the rookie invitee's to an AHL contract as it keeps open spots in the 50 contract maximum.

 

[Babcocks Marner]

Mark Hunter also invited Aiden Jamieson to camp from his London Knights. Perhaps we hear he gets signed to a ELC with the free contract space.

IN verses OUT

Grabner >> Beck
Joly >> Verhaeghe
Peresinni >> Gibson
Brouilard >> Finn
Jamieson >> Nilsson

With only a small sample size, those Two really impressed me. Impress some more at camp, and I would take a chance.

We will need to keep 1 roster spot open for that Russian coming here (most likely) next year as well..... he looks really interesting, and a youngster!

 

[Magic Man]

Mark Hunter also invited Aiden Jamieson to camp from his London Knights. Perhaps we hear he gets signed to a ELC with the free contract space.

IN verses OUT

Grabner >> Beck
Joly >> Verhaeghe
Peresinni >> Gibson
Brouilard >> Finn
Jamieson >> Nilsson

A 5 for 1 trade could be viewed as 5 for 5 trade with the prospect pool replenished with undrafted prospects that Mark Hunter brought to rookie camp and values as better potential than the ones dumped to make contract space.

I don't think I agree with any of that. Given the age and cap/money difference I'd rather have Beck than Grabner. The only one I might be able to get behind is Brouillard > Finn. Other than that no lol

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

If Grabner (who says he's 100 healthy and recovered from his injuries) can be healthy, he's likely on the top line.

Isles fan, here in peace for a little of the opposite view. Grabner does not cycle well enough to be on anyone's first line, his speed makes him a one man show. He would be better suited to pull up than follow through with his breakaways, the feet are quicker than the hands. Above average shot, good on the PK, popular guy with the fans and in the locker room.
I did not figure any of the guys we got would be special, it reminds me of our trade for Ryan Smyth in that regard.
Peace.

 

[Leafsman]

If the Leafs signed Michael Joly to the ELC to replace Carter Verhaeghe, Lucas Peresinni to replace Chris Gibson, Nikolas Brouillard to replace Matt Finn in the prospect pool with the contracts available would Leaf fans be happy?

Michael Joly was one of the most noticeable players in the rookie game I went to on Saturday. Really fun to watch that night.

 

[pheasant]

Peresinni was OHL 1st All-Star and OHL Goaltender of the year in 2014-15 season.

Perhaps Hunter might believe he has more potential than Gibson.

Brouillard was the highest scoring Dmen in the Q and that might be better than ECHL Matt Finn as a better prospect.

Michael Joly scored the winning goal for Rimouski in the QMJHL playoffs and and leading goal scorer in the Memorial cup.

A case can be made for all 3 to get Leaf contracts to replace the departed prospects. IMO

It will be interesting when you trade 5 for 1 who the Leafs fill those other 4 contracts with in the future.

Nice breakdown, especially with Brouillard. Best player, overall, for the Leafs at the rookie tournament. Finn who?

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Nice breakdown, especially with Brouillard. Best player, overall, for the Leafs at the rookie tournament. Finn who?

No he wasn't but he was good.

 

[diceman934]

Isles fan, here in peace for a little of the opposite view. Grabner does not cycle well enough to be on anyone's first line, his speed makes him a one man show. He would be better suited to pull up than follow through with his breakaways, the feet are quicker than the hands. Above average shot, good on the PK, popular guy with the fans and in the locker room.
I did not figure any of the guys we got would be special, it reminds me of our trade for Ryan Smyth in that regard.
Peace.

Do not be shocked if Gibson makes the team out of camp. He played well last year and is a very athletic goalie. Your goal-tending is a weakness and Gibber is likley the one player that they wanted to be included in this deal.

 

[BertCorbeau]

So after digesting it, here are my thoughts:

In Grabner the Leafs get a potential asset to deal at the deadline. They also open up contract spots for guys on the PTO's to be able to sign and subsequently shipped at the deadline. Finally, the Leafs open up spots on the Marlies. Clearly Hunter evaluated the prospect pool and deemed them to be nothing special/depth guys that were moveable.

Of course it's a risk - because there is no guarantees Grabner plays well enough to trade later in the season, or that the PTO's not earn a spot out of camp or play well enough to become tradeable players. At that point you're giving up prospects for nothing, but at the same time if they're just depth prospects they could just be no players.

If anything the Leafs gave up some intriguing prospects more than anything .. Guys that we want to see succeed for one way or another.

I don't like giving up prospects for nothing .. But at the same time if Grabner is flipped for a second or even a first rounder .. Glencross/Seto/Boyes etc are all able to get a 2nd-3rd round picks then I think it's a good tradeoff and the Leafs can go for higher potential players from there

Certainly not a win-now move IMO

 

[Budsfan]

This move is incredibly shrewd.

We dumped 5 players, that didn't matter at all to us, and picked up a tradable asset.

If Grabner (who says he's 100 healthy and recovered from his injuries) can be healthy, he's likely on the top line.

Someone needs to score goals this season, and it could very well be him.

This very well could become a 2nd + 4th or even, a 1st round pick for us.

It's a risky move, but incredibly shrewd.


It's nice having competent management

I agree it is shrewd and and we have to be down to 50 player contracts before the season starts and we may never get a quality NHL player for them and in fact many would just be released.

 

[Muston Atthews]

This move makes the Leafs a lot better and quicker in NHL16

 

[Sergei Berezin]

Does this mean that he was signed to the Leafs today?

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=128893

 

[Swervin81]

Grabner's a pending UFA. Another guy potentially to be flipped for picks if he regains his form, along with most of the PTO's we now have contract spots for. Just more free deadline picks is how I view this.

 

[gordonshumway]

I don't like giving up prospects for nothing .. But at the same time if Grabner is flipped for a second or even a first rounder .. Glencross/Seto etc are all able to get a 2nd-3rd round picks then I think it's a good tradeoff and the Leafs can go for higher potential players from there

Certainly not a win-now move IMO

If Grabner plays like he has the past two seasons, there's no way we get even a 2nd for him - he's got 20 goals in past two years combined. Everyone remembers that breakout season he had after getting claimed, but he hasn't come close to those numbers since. So yeah, if it turns out we get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him at the deadline then IMO that's a definition of giving up prospects for nothing...