Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign Pacioretty and Lorentz - 1 year deals

[notbias]

Weve never had good goalies on paper. Hence their contracts. Quite the opposite. On paper our goalies havent been much to look at (ex. Campbell, Samsonov) but they generally overachieved in the season. We got what we paid for in the playoffs though.

So we continue to have no good goalies on paper then.

 

[DarkKnight]

Athletic picked us to finish second in the league, listening to some of you doom and gloom everything is so transparent.

Just become Pens fans.

 

[DarkKnight]

Pac if healthy will be fine at that number. The deal is structured as such too.

 

[Woodman19]

Pacioretty will sell some jerseys. MLSE focusses on that type of stuff.

who tf would buy a Pacioretty jersey?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

who tf would buy a Pacioretty jersey?

The people who don't buy a Lorentz jersey.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

How has Myers been?
I only caught a few glimpses and he seemed engaged and could actually skate. And seems to have made opening night roster?

 

[seanlinden]

Exactly. You get versatility and security with Jarnkrok. You can opportunity with Patches, but honestly he's probably starting the year 4th on our LW depth chart behind Knies, Robertson and McMann.

It seems as though McMann is the odd man out to start the year.

No issues with either of these deals. Hardly a plan the parade moment but both will likely contribute a greater on ice impact than their caphits



Jarnkrok likely has the greater on ice impact in the regular season, I'd give Patches the edge in potentially being able to actually contribute in a post season game.

Jarnkrok gets unfairly criticized given he actually provides positive value,.but at the point I think the newer front office would be better off spending the money on guys who got their vision

To be honest, I'm not even sure where I stand on this.

You've gotta like the fact that you're going to have a former multi-30 goal scorer - a guy who has scored 82 goals in his past 210 games (a 32 goal pace) playing on what is potentially your 3rd line. In terms of coming up with a just backbreaking goal to break a game open like Nick Paul and Corey Perry have done to us in the past, I think it's great.

But there is a flipside.... you've got Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Domi, Robertson and now Pacioretty who are all primarily offensive-driven players. If all of these guys are in your lineup, it's going to be tough to put together a "shutdown" line that isn't centered by Auston Matthews.

 

[Antropovsky]

So we continue to have no good goalies on paper then.

Well we might have developed one now. But draft picks take time, they dont just step into the NHL.

 

[Martin Skoula]

It seems as though McMann is the odd man out to start the year.



To be honest, I'm not even sure where I stand on this.

You've gotta like the fact that you're going to have a former multi-30 goal scorer - a guy who has scored 82 goals in his past 210 games (a 32 goal pace) playing on what is potentially your 3rd line. In terms of coming up with a just backbreaking goal to break a game open like Nick Paul and Corey Perry have done to us in the past, I think it's great.

But there is a flipside.... you've got Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Domi, Robertson and now Pacioretty who are all primarily offensive-driven players. If all of these guys are in your lineup, it's going to be tough to put together a "shutdown" line that isn't centered by Auston Matthews.

I don’t think you need a “shutdown” line necessarily. Let’s take the worst case scenario of ???-McDavid-Draisaitl as the big line on the other side, if you put out the traditional shutdown line against them you’re praying they spend 90 seconds grinding for a loose puck on the offensive zone boards, any other scenario and you’re down 2-0 or eating a bunch of holding penalties. If it’s Matthews + 2 fillers, you’re hoping they can go 2 gf 2 ga over the course of the game and that allows you to drop Nylander Marner and Tavares to abuse whoever they have leftover.

For my money the best shutdown line we’ve run this window was Hyman-Engvall-Mikheyev because they never had to play defense unless they lost a D-zone draw, it was a safe 90 seconds of nothing happening in the opponents zone. We don’t have the speed and size down the lineup to run that anymore so you might as well go punch for punch and try to hide a Nylander and Marner in your other 38 minutes.

 

[notbias]

Well we might have developed one now. But draft picks take time, they dont just step into the NHL.

You used contracts as a metric to measure how good a goalie is on paper... this tandem would be bad by that metric, or are we changing that now?

 

[Evilhomer]

Athletic picked us to finish second in the league, listening to some of you doom and gloom everything is so transparent.

Just become Pens fans.

Don't worry, when the Leafs are first in the league at the end of October the bandwagon will be at capacity.

 

[jaric1862]

Hopefully no NMC on this deal, so we can waive him if it comes to that point.

 

[Jmo89]

who tf would buy a Pacioretty jersey?

I would be tempted just for the number.

 

[seanlinden]

I don’t think you need a “shutdown” line necessarily. Let’s take the worst case scenario of ???-McDavid-Draisaitl as the big line on the other side, if you put out the traditional shutdown line against them you’re praying they spend 90 seconds grinding for a loose puck on the offensive zone boards, any other scenario and you’re down 2-0 or eating a bunch of holding penalties. If it’s Matthews + 2 fillers, you’re hoping they can go 2 gf 2 ga over the course of the game and that allows you to drop Nylander Marner and Tavares to abuse whoever they have leftover.

For my money the best shutdown line we’ve run this window was Hyman-Engvall-Mikheyev because they never had to play defense unless they lost a D-zone draw, it was a safe 90 seconds of nothing happening in the opponents zone. We don’t have the speed and size down the lineup to run that anymore so you might as well go punch for punch and try to hide a Nylander and Marner in your other 38 minutes.

Correct... but in theory, Calle Jarnkrok could have probably been a member of a line like that.

Obviously day 1 lines are probably not going to carry through to the end of the year, but there just seems to be something "awkward" about how the Leafs lineup comes together -- especially in the middle.

Tavares with Domi & Nylander -- should certainly be able to put up some numbers -- but obviously a bit questionable when it comes to defensive play.

You then take Pacioretty & Robertson, and put them between Pontus Holmberg. It feels you're going to want to "insulate" both the Tavares line and that one.

It also leaves you with having to continue wasting Mitch Marner's energy on the PK, and without a real 5th or 6th penalty killer.

 

[Dayjobdave]

Happy with the signings. Let’s see how they do

 

[Martin Skoula]

Correct... but in theory, Calle Jarnkrok could have probably been a member of a line like that.

Obviously day 1 lines are probably not going to carry through to the end of the year, but there just seems to be something "awkward" about how the Leafs lineup comes together -- especially in the middle.

Tavares with Domi & Nylander -- should certainly be able to put up some numbers -- but obviously a bit questionable when it comes to defensive play.

You then take Pacioretty & Robertson, and put them between Pontus Holmberg. It feels you're going to want to "insulate" both the Tavares line and that one.

It also leaves you with having to continue wasting Mitch Marner's energy on the PK, and without a real 5th or 6th penalty killer.

Yeah I’m not a fan of the current set up, the 2nd and 3rd line have skating/defensive issues that both want heavy offensive zone starts to do damage against weaker units. Imo Pacioretty-Tavares-Marner and Robertson-Domi-Nylander at least gives you two different looks that need two different types of defending to deal with. The Marner unit plays slow and heavy with ozone starts and the Nylander unit can play quick counterpunch offense, they both need to be sheltered but at least you can mix them up and get the Nylander unit against slow heavy defense and the Tavares unit against the weaker puck moving units to force the other team into making choices between a rock and a hard place. As it is, neither group is that fast or heavy as a unit and can be defended adequately by either option.