2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[Juicy Pop]

They just don’t value offense. Talent. I dunno.

I watched the Danny presser. St Louis keeps being brought up.

“we don’t need those superstars” same old bullshit.

McDavid. Matthews. Bedard. Crosby. Ovechkin. Kucherov.

They better hope to hell Michkov is in that tier.

The problem I have with the St. Louis approach is that, even if everything works out, you get maybe 2 if not 3 years to really press for a Cup and then it all falls apart until we're back in the same state from 10 years ago.

Maybe you do win that Cup, but then you have a superstar in Michkov that you can't build around because the mentality of the org won't allow for the necessary steps to do so.

 

[freakydallas13]

Funny thing, what sank him in Vancouver was protecting his team:

What arguably hurt the Canucks most was Tortorella’s rash attempt to charge into the dressing room of the Calgary Flames on Jan. 18. He was incensed by Flames Coach Bob Hartley’s decision to put out the enforcers Brian McGrattan and Kevin Westgarth for the opening face-off.

Yeah, something tells me it was actually because he was being shitty to players:

 

[Beef Invictus]

On what team was there a "full blown revolt?"
His biggest critic was Dubinsky, who was pissed when he was demoted to 3C at 31 and was then out of the league a year later.
He got rid of Johansen and four teams later, who was right?

Torts reputation is overblown, probably b/c he has a habit of blowing off stupid, asshole reporters - and we have a couple here who'll probably get pissed at him when he gives them that "you really didn't ask something that stupid" look.

TB, NYR, Vancouver. All player revolts.

Yes, even in TB. His players f***ing despised him. He was fired in Vancouver in large part because players went to management to complain that he wasn't doing his job. Not enough practice days, when there were practices he was either not there or uninvolved, which rubbed guys the wrong way since he'd yell and scream about the players not putting in effort while he put in none. "Not doing his basic job" is a trend that continues through to now.

His reputation is completely earned. I'm not even getting into the press stuff. There's no need. That's all totally irrelevant. In the actual hockey aspect of his job, he sucks.

You are trying to deny that players hate the guy who they voted as the most hated coach in the league; yes, over Babcock. Up there with you trying to pretend Tortorella is offensively minded, despite that never being the case and the coach himself openly admitting he has no serious understanding of offense. He's fully a liability. He drives talent away and provides no positives. Hell, even you give the credit for any defensive progress to Shaw. Makes sense since the guy spouted before his first season here started that he wouldn't really be doing actual Xs and Os coaching and he hated talking to players.

Anyway, could you please circle back and explain how 2011 Boston only had "0 or 1" elite players? At least do that one.

 

[deadhead]

ES points ()
forwards: Lucic (48), Krejci (50), Bergeron (43), Horton (45), Recci (30), Ryder (27), Marchand (32), Campbell (23), Wheeler (25), Seguin (19), S Thorton (20)
d-men: Chara, Seidenberg, Boychuck, Ference, McQuaid, Kaberle

 

[FlyerNutter]

The problem I have with the St. Louis approach is that, even if everything works out, you get maybe 2 if not 3 years to really press for a Cup and then it all falls apart until we're back in the same state from 10 years ago.

Maybe you do win that Cup, but then you have a superstar in Michkov that you can't build around because the mentality of the org won't allow for the necessary steps to do so.

We’ve done this approach. With Giroux, and to a lesser extent Couturier.

It’s yielded a boring ass product, while young exciting stars are infused into other clubs yearly.

In terms of success, it’s a decade of meh.

The Flyers are gaslighting this fanbase into some notion what they are doing is new. It’s not. They lucked into Matvei 20 years after lucking into Claude. That’s not a plan to anything we haven’t seen before.

 

[Hextallent63]

The problem I have with the St. Louis approach is that, even if everything works out, you get maybe 2 if not 3 years to really press for a Cup and then it all falls apart until we're back in the same state from 10 years ago.

Maybe you do win that Cup, but then you have a superstar in Michkov that you can't build around because the mentality of the org won't allow for the necessary steps to do so.

Are you from the New England area?

 

[Juicy Pop]

Are you from the New England area?

If that is Torts speaking them I'd be more confident in the team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

ES points ()
forwards: Lucic (48), Krejci (50), Bergeron (43), Horton (45), Recci (30), Ryder (27), Marchand (32), Campbell (23), Wheeler (25), Seguin (19), S Thorton (20)
d-men: Chara, Seidenberg, Boychuck, Ference, McQuaid, Kaberle

Just so we are clear, you are insisting that Thomas (Vezina Winner, 2x total, put on a Finals run matched all-time only by Parent and Hasek), Bergeron (4th in Selke, in a run of finishing top 5 in Selke voting 14 years in a row and a year away from winning it), and Chara (Recent Norris winner over Lidstrom and in the midst of being perenially top 3) were not elite players?

You know, you really don't have to do this. Nobody is making you type these things

 

[trostol]

Just so we are clear, you are insisting that Thomas (Vezina Winner, 2x total, put on a Finals run matched all-time only by Parent and Hasek), Bergeron (4th in Selke, in a run of finishing top 5 in Selke voting 14 years in a row and a year away from winning it), and Chara (Recent Norris winner over Lidstrom and in the midst of being perenially top 3) were not elite players?

You know, you really don't have to do this. Nobody is making you type these things

maybe someone is...maybe its Bob Clarke