Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign Pacioretty and Lorentz - 1 year deals

[Evilhomer]

What is idiotic about this? Honestly? Are we now just complaining to complain?

Who cares about $600,000 cap charge next year. That’s chump change. We currently have 22+ million conservatively free heading into next year. What is the issue?

Greb, Steves, Quilian, Abruzzese, Cowan, Minten, Pare are not ready to be full time NHLers. Also none of those guys can be relied upon at this point to provide quality depth scoring. Jarnkrok is also injured. And the leafs like Reaves. Max is a good vet who can score. We have lacked goal scoring in the playoffs.

I love our roster. We have a lot depth and people can play up and down. Lorentz and Max P come to our team for nothing more than cap $. Would you have rather paid more draft capital for similar players? At least now once Jarnkrok/Hak is back we can make a legit NHL deal to trade one of Kamp/Jarkrok or Liljegren. The leafs haven’t really been in a position to do that in a while.

People are simply looking for a reason to complain.

 

[ACC1224]

People are simply looking for a reason to complain.

They need to get their daily dose in.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Nice intelligent, safe signing.
Love the games played bonus structure. It’s an excellent insurance plan for a player with his injury history. Could care less about adding a few 100k to next years cap, Marner (Ferris) would just want it anyway so tack on more of that and force him to take a discount.

 

[Buds17]

Signing Pacioretty was always going to be a given contingent on having the cap space available to do so.

Regarding Lorentz - If nothing else, this team now has a F, D and G from the most recent Cup winner that also happens to be a divisional rival.

 

[NMacrules]

Team is shaping up nicely. I don't see any holes. Our D is stacked, our Forwards are fairly stacked and I feel confident in net. We have a new hard nosed coach who won't take shit from anyone. Team is much bigger, speed is about the same. And we have 4 or 5 guys who can chuck knuckles. Patches 6'2. Lorentz 6'4. Webber 6'7

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Sucks that we're dipping into next year; but we need secondary scoring pretty badly.

We are clearly high on our medical staff. Perhaps the Klingberg debacle was just life; a swing and a miss.

Hakanpaa and Patches are certainly candidates to outperform their pay if they are healthy. We need all of that we can get.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Regarding Lorentz - If nothing else, this team now has a F, D and G from the most recent Cup winner that also happens to be a divisional rival.

Unfortunately, it's their fringe 4th liner, bottom pairing defenseman, and backup.

 

[Chief Leaf]

He's protected 0 people.

Reaves played well in the preseason, I hope it carries over, but pretending like he deters anyone is funny.



I'd post something like this too if I couldn't refute anything that was posted.

I already did- re-read my first post. That is where I stand.

 

[NMacrules]

Depends what you’re borrowing for doesn’t it? If it’s the difference between signing an impact player or not, sure. I don’t think anyone else is giving Patch 1.5mil right now with rosters already set, capped out, and players waived, his choices are sign what we give him or sit until someone elsewhere gets injured.

Plus if I’m Robertson I’d be pissed that apparently a injured vet known most for being one of the biggest playoff ghosts in the league is casually going to get offered twice my contract in October.

Screw Robertson and his butt hurt feelings. Should trade the cry baby.

 

[Buds17]

Unfortunately, it's their fringe 4th liner, bottom pairing defenseman, and backup.

Can only work with what's available. A winning team isn't especially going to be in the business of casting aside key contributors to its success.

 

[NMacrules]

Reaves has not protected a single player on this team.



And if his play just declines?



As a bottom pairing D, he is not proven to be worth 3.5 million, he is a gamble.



Woll was given a contract as if he was proven.



Tre just overpaid him, is he attaching a pick to move the contract he just signed him to?



Not forward thinking, agreed.



This is the same year as every year... we go as far as the core takes us.



They shuffled some chairs and people are eating it up now.

I like the core, so I am fine with it, but the people who wanted big change got nothing and are now being told they changed things and somehow are agreeing with it.

Wow, I have never seen a bigger "sky is falling" and "what ifs" in a post on here ever. Pessimistic much?

 

[All Mod Cons]

Wow, I have never seen a bigger "sky is falling" and "what ifs" in a post on here ever. Pessimistic much?

Since Kyle left, it's been a constant barrage on the new GM. Feelings were hurt.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Now I won't be watching many games this year, question my sanity but isn't this a re-run? I've certainly seen this movie before so, at best, I will wait until the closing act if the playoffs are achieved.

That said, these 1-2M deals aren't the problem. The massive $10M+ contracts are. So, if I may suggest, please direct your disdain to the correct issue that remains the issue 8 years later.

This is especially true with an ownership group that fosters an environment of entitled clubhouse players as long as the mantra of "profits are all that matters" is met.

 

[notbias]

Wow, I have never seen a bigger "sky is falling" and "what ifs" in a post on here ever. Pessimistic much?

We are gambling the future for hopeful success in the next couple years, that's all I was pointing out, sorry if you have issues following the discussion.

 

[Gallagbi]

Surprised we went over a mill for this and I'd much rather pay for production than GP, but oh well. Not a ton of money either way

 

[Maple Leaf]

Wow, I have never seen a bigger "sky is falling" and "what ifs" in a post on here ever. Pessimistic much?

Tre is not good

 

[Jmo89]

Every bit of "chump change" can be the difference between getting the right player and not.

I'm not debating whether they should have signed Pacioretty... I'm simply saying that if they wanted to sign him, and $1.5m was the number they needed in order to do so, then they should have subtracted from other spots on the roster in order to do so -- not start "paying for it next year".

I don't disagree. I would prefer they had just traded one of Kampf or Jarnkrok and fit everyone in that way.

I do find the games played conditions of the bonuses interesting. Patches was rumored at somewhere around 1.1M and took around 300k less, which is half the bonus (600k). I wonder if he doesn't work out if they play him 10 games and then just waive him before 30 games. It seems liked they deferred 300k of his contract until next year and then gave him a 300k bonus for the deferment.

On another note, assuming no one gets a serious injury it looks like one of Kampf, Jarnkrok, or Lil will be traded for the eventual return of Hak and Dewar. I'm curious if that's the GM's choice (maybe waiting for a better trade offer), or if the new coach wants to see a few regular season games with those players.

 

[Sypher04]

Surprised we went over a mill for this and I'd much rather pay for production than GP, but oh well. Not a ton of money either way

While I agree, I think the bonus $$ expectations tied to performance would be higher than $300K so I think it’s trade off.

The bonuses are easy to hit, but they are small and deferred to next year cap.

Now I won't be watching many games this year, question my sanity but isn't this a re-run? I've certainly seen this movie before so, at best, I will wait until the closing act if the playoffs are achieved.

No, you haven’t.

That said, these 1-2M deals aren't the problem. The massive $10M+ contracts are. So, if I may suggest, please direct your disdain to the correct issue that remains the issue 8 years later.

Oh there is plenty of whining about the core player contracts. Never you worry there.

This is especially true with an ownership group that fosters an environment of entitled clubhouse players as long as the mantra of "profits are all that matters" is met.

Idiotic comment.

 

[sxvnert]

Lorentz = solid signing.
Pacioretty = the next Joe Thornton.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Reaves for 3
Tanev for 6
OEL for 4
Woll when he isn't proven
Liljegren when he isn't proven
Pacioretty with a bonus that will carry over
6 picks at the deadline last year (they were just mid-picks that he used on players who have no future here, so who cares, is Dewar even going to be on the team? He was the best trade)

Look if you want to improve your team you need to take risks. None of these deals are boat anchors that kill us and we have shown the ability to get out of deals that turn into a problem.

I think people should give the team 20 games before being so critical of it

Now I won't be watching many games this year, question my sanity but isn't this a re-run? I've certainly seen this movie before so, at best, I will wait until the closing act if the playoffs are achieved.

That said, these 1-2M deals aren't the problem. The massive $10M+ contracts are. So, if I may suggest, please direct your disdain to the correct issue that remains the issue 8 years later.

This is especially true with an ownership group that fosters an environment of entitled clubhouse players as long as the mantra of "profits are all that matters" is met.

Leafs spent almost all of their available money on defense and goaltending. I can't recall the last time we prioritized the back end of our roster like that.

 

[francis246]

Who do you think is in the lineup when everyone is healthy?

Is Pacioretty still here when Jarnkrok and Dewar are ready?

They already had depth, just a question if Pacioretty is better.

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Domi, and Knies are all NHLers.

Who are the other 6 out of Robertson, Holmberg, Kampf, Reaves, Lorentz, Pacioretty, Jarnkrok, McMann, and Dewar?

Probably Kampf and Jarnkrok. Also Liljegren is an option to be traded. Anyways who cares? It’s a problem for down the road, this is a good problem to have. Reaves could also be waived like last year. That’s the teams job to figure it out. I doubt we lose someone on waivers. But honestly McMann has looked less than impressive in camp so really it’s up to the players to continue to prove they are worth keeping. Also trading Robertson isn’t completely off the table.

 

[meefer]

I’m not the stats or cap crunchers that some here are, but it seems to me that these signings won’t cripple the team, but they will provide some time to further determine what, as a team, we have. Trades don’t have to take place today. By mid/late November we’ll have a much better idea of what we need to improve, as will other teams, and we now have a good number of players signed to relatively ‘cheap’ contracts that may prove enticing as injuries begin to take a toll around the league. Patches might look attractive to a young team, providing vet experience during a rebuilding program. Or, or, or…

I know we all want the Cup roster today, but sometimes patience is a virtue.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

People are simply looking for a reason to complain.

People pay attention to how this team mismanages the cap and needs every single dollar.

edit- Some people pay attention.

 

[Stephen]

Not quite understanding the “why did we go for an over the hill guy” with Pacioretty when we’ve had an unbroken line of Hainsey, Marleau, Thornton, Spezza, Giordano since the dawn of the Shanaplan.

It’s just supplemental depth via cheap contract, the opposite of the ELC.

 

[notbias]

Look if you want to improve your team you need to take risks. None of these deals are boat anchors that kill us and we have shown the ability to get out of deals that turn into a problem.

Year one of a lot of these, of course, they aren't boat anchors.

I am just pointing out that we are sacrificing a lot of the future for now.

I think people should give the team 20 games before being so critical of it

Should we hold off all discussion of the team, good or bad until game 20?

Leafs spent almost all of their available money on defense and goaltending. I can't recall the last time we prioritized the back end of our roster like that.

They spent the majority of their money up front...

Nylander and Matthews got almost $25 million.

They spent more on Matthews than goaltending and D combined.

Not quite understanding the “why did we go for an over the hill guy” with Pacioretty when we’ve had an unbroken line of Hainsey, Marleau, Thornton, Spezza, Giordano since the dawn of the Shanaplan.

It’s just supplemental depth via cheap contract, the opposite of the ELC.

The overage is annoying for someone who I don't think many are convinced is better than someone who is sitting.

I don't think it is a huge deal, just not sure why we have 20 bottom 6 wingers.