Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign Pacioretty and Lorentz - 1 year deals

[rutz]

Honestly, Matthews is our best PKer.

I'd like to add him to the PK though and roll Matthews/Marner and then Kampf/Jarnkrok and then Dewar/McMann or something.

A lot of people on this board (obviously not you), think we should try to win 10-9 because everything I see is removing anyone good defensively.

I don't care who ends up on the Leafs PP and PK as long as they drastically improve both in the playoffs where they have crapped the bed every playoffs.

 

[rutz]

Not a fan of Patches. I think you need to be younger, faster in the playoffs.

And play big tough playoff hockey like Florida did last year winning the Cup

 

[rutz]

I agree, but on the other hand the potential of him potting goals on the third line is a nice depth option.

Love that Lorentz was signed.

So do I but just curious why Florida let him go being paid so little?

 

[Fogelhund]

Not a fan of Patches. I think you need to be younger, faster in the playoffs.

Younger and faster wasn't ready to start the opening day. Grebenkin, Minten and Cowan need more time to be ready. Maybe later this year one or more will prove ready... until then, we need decent players, and I think Patches will be good value for the money.

So do I but just curious why Florida let him go being paid so little?

It sounds like he didn't enjoy his time there very much. Healthy scratched for two months straight.

Steven Lorentz Heads to Toronto After Winning Cup with the Panthers

One of the final pieces of offseason business when it comes to the Stanley Cup champions is complete after Steven Lorentz has reportedly agreed to join the Toronto Maple Leafs on a professional tryout at training camp. With Lorentz going to Toronto per NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman, and Nick...

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[rumman]

Don't worry, when the Leafs are first in the league at the end of October the bandwagon will be at capacity.

Ah, this statement reminds me if the tortoise and the hare fable……..

 

[Sypher04]

You can teach and improve faceoffs, Dewar is only 25. And in any case Holmberg is cheaper and has a better D-Zone FOW than Kampf, throw him out there then.

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If the Athletic weren’t dumb and had a card for Holmberg and his stats I’m sure they’d grade out better than Kampf too.

Thank you.
So even his alleged faceoff specialty, he’s actually the worst center statistically on the team. I understand this is dragged down somewhat by being one of the go to PK guys but I doubt it’s by a huge amount. And there are plenty of PP centers he’d faceoff with who aren’t anything special at the faceoff dot.

 

[Sypher04]

The problem with using raw faceoff percentages is that it ignores the competition. Kampf most goes head to head with the opponent’s best faceoff guys.

That’s not necessarily true.
You’re assuming that the line he’s checking against, hypothetically their offensive, has a center with their highest faceoff ability which is often not the case.

 

[Aashir]

That’s not necessarily true.
You’re assuming that the line he’s checking against, hypothetically their offensive, has a center with their highest faceoff ability which is often not the case.

while not ALWAYS the case, especially at even strength as not every 1or 2C is elite at faceoffs, on PP it could be a different story.

Now I have no stats to back this up apart from just logic based off my head so take it as you will, but usually when a team has a pp at least one of the 5 guys is pretty good on the faceoff, usually two. Most teams have their top two centers, and two best wingers with a dman out there. Take us, we have Tavares who is elite at faceoffs and Matthews who is also very very good at them, most teams have at least 1 good faceoff taker and alot of the time it is going to be used on the pp faceoff

Kampf being apart of the first unit on the pk means he is alway going against the best or second best faceoff taker on that team.

But now thinking about it, those are probably a minority of his faceoffs taken so now I think I confused myself lool

 

[Dreakmur]

That’s not necessarily true.
You’re assuming that the line he’s checking against, hypothetically their offensive, has a center with their highest faceoff ability which is often not the case.

Which you can’t know unless you look… which is why you can’t just use raw percentages.

Even looking at the centre doesn’t give you the needed info. Guys like MacKinnon, who aren’t great in draws, have their wingers to it. Rantanen took a pile of offensive zone draws - probably more than MacKinnon. McDavid often deferred to Draisaitl in the offensive zone.

 

[DarkKnight]

Pac finished sixth in Selke voting one year, this idea he’s a defensive liability is a bit much.

 

[Its not your fault]

Why is he getting games played bonuses? Come on...

Come on what?

 

[notbias]

Pac finished sixth in Selke voting one year, this idea he’s a defensive liability is a bit much.

Not saying he isn't good defensively, but that was the 2014-15 season...

Is Tavares still a top 3 player? He was 3rd in Hart voting that year.

 

[Its not your fault]

It's 600k, and I'm not sure why you're a fan of dead cap. Until Treliving, we got these kind of players for league minimum.

Guess he must be the youngest of them all.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I don't get the whining over $600k of dead cap for one year. We recently navigated seven years @ $1.2m when the cap was lower.

 

[DarkKnight]

I don't get the whining over $600k of dead cap for one year. We recently navigated seven years @ $1.2m when the cap was lower.

Especially when it’s linked to performance. If he’s washed he’s gone.

 

[GoonieFace]

I don't get the whining over $600k of dead cap for one year. We recently navigated seven years @ $1.2m when the cap was lower.

In the grand scheme of things it’s a drop in the bucket. I didn’t like the contract in general, more due to the fact that Pacioretty is cooked, but it’s not a franchise altering move

 

[SprDaVE]

Treliving might have serious PTSD with making a trade but he sure doesn't shy away from signing a lot of players

 

[Evilhomer]

Treliving might have serious PTSD with making a trade but he sure doesn't shy away from signing a lot of players

I think he is just taking directions from people above him.

 

[LeafEgo]

I don't get the whining over $600k of dead cap for one year. We recently navigated seven years @ $1.2m when the cap was lower.

It's actually an interesting maneuver to split dubie damage across two years. There aren't many levers available to accomplish this though.

For example, if it were possible and depending on the plans for JT and Marner, would it make sense to free up 5M or whatever this year at the expense of next year? In a game that involves luck that's two shots over one, just balancing cap sliders and team potential between one year and the next.

And this is only 600k with downside protection...

Not sure what he cares about 600k anyways. Maybe he's fixing for a longer stay in Toronto and we get it back at a later date. If it all works out well next year would be perfect.

 

[Kurtz]

Not saying he isn't good defensively, but that was the 2014-15 season...

Is Tavares still a top 3 player? He was 3rd in Hart voting that year.

JT is no longer a top 3 player but he's still a very good player. So I think that comparison serves Dark Knights' point.

 

[notbias]

JT is no longer a top 3 player but he's still a very good player. So I think that comparison serves Dark Knights' point.

I don't think it does.

David Backes beat Pacioretty that year in voting, is he still good defensively?

Saying "someone got a few votes 10 years ago, this proves that they are not bad defensively" is a pointless argument and has no relevance to their play today.

Not to mention Pacioretty didn't consistently get votes, this year is an outlier.

Regardless, I am not arguing that he is bad defensively, but I am arguing that saying he is not bad based on his play from 10 years ago is ridiculous.

Next time there are people saying Tavares isn't good enough to be a 2C, please tell them that he was the finalist for the Hart 10 years ago, so he is.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Odds are Patches non existent Achilles explode before game 10 anyway. But, this is a stupid deal for a player we didn’t need, unless we need slow players that disappear in the playoffs

He scores at the same rate in playoffs as he does in regular season.

 

[Its not your fault]

Thank you.
So even his alleged faceoff specialty, he’s actually the worst center statistically on the team. I understand this is dragged down somewhat by being one of the go to PK guys but I doubt it’s by a huge amount. And there are plenty of PP centers he’d faceoff with who aren’t anything special at the faceoff dot.

Think a team would have 2.

 

[ULF_55]

Which you can’t know unless you look… which is why you can’t just use raw percentages.

Even looking at the centre doesn’t give you the needed info. Guys like MacKinnon, who aren’t great in draws, have their wingers to it. Rantanen took a pile of offensive zone draws - probably more than MacKinnon. McDavid often deferred to Draisaitl in the offensive zone.

nhl stats has faceoffs by category, so no reason to speculate.

PK faceoffs, IMO, would have the most likely been against opposition's best top 6 faceoffs guy, as the goal is to win the puck.

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[ACC1224]

nhl stats has faceoffs by category, so no reason to speculate.

PK faceoffs, IMO, would have the most likely be against opposition's best top 6 faceoffs guy, as the goal is to win the puck.

Stick down first in the defensive end is a disadvantage as well.