Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign F Auston Matthews to extension (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[francis246]

McDavid, MacKinnon, and Pastrnak all ducked out early in the playoffs despite these low caps you think they have.

"Tampa star plays took less" and just got bounced by our overpaid crap players.

I think people over exaggerate the role of depth players and under estimate having young players on ELC’s that can step for you. I’m excited about Knies, I think Robertson will have a big year too. Our big guys contracts won’t hold us back. It has been and always will be goaltending, we need an answer in net. That’s what will make the difference for us and the core stepping up

 

[Sypher04]

I think people over exaggerate the role of depth players and under estimate having young players on ELC’s that can step for you. I’m excited about Knies, I think Robertson will have a big year too. Our big guys contracts won’t hold us back. It has been and always will be goaltending, we need an answer in net. That’s what will make the difference for us and the core stepping up

Our youth needs to be allowed to stick in the lineup and get their reps during the season so they prepared come the playoffs.

Not entirely on coaching as Knies didn’t sign until late in season, Robertson got hurt, but we’ve seen this over time especially with D like Sandin and Liljegren

 

[Gary Nylund]

McDavid, MacKinnon, and Pastrnak all ducked out early in the playoffs despite these low caps you think they have.

"Tampa star plays took less" and just got bounced by our overpaid crap players.

Seriously? Ducking out early is our specialty and EDM, COL, BOS and TB have all won more playoff series than we have in recent series.

1-7, that's our playoff record with this core in case you've forgotten so LOL bragging that TB got bounced out by us when that's the only series we've ever won.

You're trying way too hard IMO. Sit down, STFU and wait until we actually do something in the playoffs before doing anymore bragging, that would be my advice.

 

[authentic]

I think people over exaggerate the role of depth players and under estimate having young players on ELC’s that can step for you. I’m excited about Knies, I think Robertson will have a big year too. Our big guys contracts won’t hold us back. It has been and always will be goaltending, we need an answer in net. That’s what will make the difference for us and the core stepping up

I don't think goaltending was the difference this time. We only scored 2 goals for 7 straight games, our goaltending was actually pretty good for the most part.

 

[notbias]

Seriously? Ducking out early is our specialty and EDM, COL, BOS and TB have all won more playoff series than we have in recent series.

1-7, that's our playoff record with this core in case you've forgotten so LOL bragging that TB got bounced out by us when that's the only series we've ever won.

You're trying way too hard IMO. Sit down, STFU and wait until we actually do something in the playoffs before doing anymore bragging, that would be my advice.

Your advice is worth less than nothing to me, but thanks anyway. I'd consider reflecting on why a poster on a forum has made you so upset.

I guess I can't bring up that some of these players have not helped their team do much. What's the issue?

I would have loved for Matthews to take a discount, but acting like Pastrnak and McDavid have great contracts and it has led to any success is comical.

 

[Menzinger]

To me the whole story is the Toronto Maple Leafs have Auston Matthews, the most talented player I've watched on the team in my 53 years, locked up for 5 more seasons. The numbers aren't great and they aren't horrible. It's definitely a positive story overall. Especially the fact that guys like him, Morgan, William and Mitch *want* to be here. Be happy! It's Friday!

Yep. Too many people fixate on the idea of their having to be "winners" and "losers" of contracts they lose sight that it's possible for mutual benefit on these things.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Your advice is worth less than nothing to me, but thanks anyway. I'd consider reflecting on why a poster on a forum has made you so upset.

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I guess I can't bring up that some of these players have not helped their team do much. What's the issue?

I would have loved for Matthews to take a discount, but acting like Pastrnak and McDavid have great contracts and it has led to any success is comical.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Your advice is worth less than nothing to me, but thanks anyway. I'd consider reflecting on why a poster on a forum has made you so upset.

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I guess I can't bring up that some of these players have not helped their team do much. What's the issue?

I would have loved for Matthews to take a discount, but acting like Pastrnak and McDavid have great contracts and it has led to any success is comical.

You think I'm upset?

People posting nonsense doesn't upset me, it amuses me and trust me when I way you're not the first person to post nonsense in this place, not by a long shot.

You have yourself a nice weekend now. )

 

[Racer88]

McDavid, MacKinnon, and Pastrnak all ducked out early in the playoffs despite these low caps you think they have.

"Tampa star plays took less" and just got bounced by our overpaid crap players.

The multiple cups that Tampa’s stars already have ease the pain of them getting bounced by the Leafs.
What have our stars accomplished.

 

[notbias]

The multiple cups that Tampa’s stars already have ease the pain of them getting bounced by the Leafs.
What have our stars accomplished.

The same as the stars brought up in the original post from Boston and Edmonton, and most star players in the NHL.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

It goes in every direction, all the time. It's just how contracts work, and there are plenty of other non-Leaf contracts that don't align according to exclusively peak raw points and team accomplishments. You're just not focused on them. The issue is that you've picked out the very best contracts according to the extremely limited criteria you refuse to expand beyond, and have demanded that everything else is an unprecedented dramatic overpayment, instead of looking to actually understand why the contracts are what they are.

They're not worth more than comparable players. They're worth more than worse and less valuable players, that one may incorrectly believe are equivalent when they don't look beyond just peak raw points like teams and agents would.

So the star players on other teams that get similar raw points as our star players all make significantly less money.

And the reason for this is because our star players have other parts of their game (beside raw points) that make them more valuable. So we're at a competitive disadvantage when it comes to overall cap space and team balance, but that is made up for with all of our star players "extra" value other than just their raw points.

Ok. Sure, that could be a legitimate argument. But it would need one thing to make it accurate. Just one tiny little thing. SUCCESS.

If the team was winning round after round and cup after cup, you most assuredly could use the above argument as a legitimate defense of our star players contracts.

But the opposite is happening. The actual success of the team supports MY interpretation of the contracts. That our star players were/are significantly overpaid in relation with their direct comparables. This serves NO benefit to the team and results in a lack of depth to succeed in the grind that is the nhl playoffs.

 

[IPS]

So the star players on other teams that get similar raw points as our star players all make significantly less money.

And the reason for this is because our star players have other parts of their game (beside raw points) that make them more valuable. So we're at a competitive disadvantage when it comes to overall cap space and team balance, but that is made up for with all of our star players "extra" value other than just their raw points.

Ok. Sure, that could be a legitimate argument. But it would need one thing to make it accurate. Just one tiny little thing. SUCCESS.

If the team was winning round after round and cup after cup, you most assuredly could use the above argument as a legitimate defense of our star players contracts.

But the opposite is happening. The actual success of the team supports MY interpretation of the contracts. That our star players were/are significantly overpaid in relation with their direct comparables. This serves NO benefit to the team and results in a lack of depth to succeed in the grind that is the nhl playoffs.

You already know what the response is gonna be.

Do we really need to go over all the tiresome bullshit about "We got goalie'd, we had bad luck" again?

 

[therealkoho]

if you think 8.05m on a 77 game sample size is great, low offensive metrics, idk what to tell you. That deal is more risky than any deal that the leafs have signed. Ottawa has to do that, otherwise they will not get players to stay there.

Tkachuk
Stutzle
Chabot

All 8 yrs none overpaid

I get that as a Leafs fan we're supposed to hate everything Ottawa, but these are all great contracts that will keep their core together while they continue to add some solid support guys, like Chychrun, Hamonic, Giroux,Tarasenko to shorter terms and again, and most importantly, the right money.

I live close to Ottawa and have been a season ticket holder for 17 of the last 25 years, so I'm well acquainted with what they've been doing here to put this team together and the level of their players. Other than some missteps by the previous owner which I attribute to undue influence by what I call the Brian Murray mafia, the team has seen some success.

Ottawa is an OK place to live, there are no reasons I know of why players wouldn't want to either play or live here, there are a lot of players who stay here post career.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Your advice is worth less than nothing to me, but thanks anyway. I'd consider reflecting on why a poster on a forum has made you so upset.

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I guess I can't bring up that some of these players have not helped their team do much. What's the issue?

I would have loved for Matthews to take a discount, but acting like Pastrnak and McDavid have great contracts and it has led to any success is comical.

Last five seasons - Boston won 5 rounds, Edmonton won 3 rounds, Toronto won 1 round.

Well done - even leaving out Tampa you proved his point.

 

[notbias]

Last five seasons - Boston won 5 rounds, Edmonton won 3 rounds, Toronto won 1 round.

Well done - even leaving out Tampa you proved his point.

All failures, including us. 5 rounds in 5 years is still failing.

Should we strive to be the NYI? 6 rounds in the last 5 years, what great success.

Tampa was left out because he was specifically comparing Pastrnak and McDavid as these wonderful contracts and then saying because of our team's high salaries we've won nothing.

You can find teams failing and succeeding with big contracts, there is no perfect formula, it is why these arguments are so dumb.

I remember the talking point for a while was "No team can ever win with a 10+ million dollar player", can't use that anymore, need to come up with something new now.

 

[Hellcat]

I also love how pasta who has NEVER won a Stanley cup either is always thrown into the mix. Guess paying him what the bruins pay him isn’t the way to win a cup

Good point, the hot takes on this forum have more holes than the Titanic.

Did you know it's impossible to win a Cup with a European Captain or a player above 10 mil per?

Last five seasons - Boston won 5 rounds, Edmonton won 3 rounds, Toronto won 1 round.

Well done - even leaving out Tampa you proved his point.

Goes to show what a good coach can do for a team.

 

[therealkoho]

Have heard a couple stories through the grapevine this summer that confirmed my suspicions: dude really likes to party. He needs a good clean offseason to reclaim Hart contending form. I can't watch withdrawals Matthews tripping over his own feet every game again at that cap %

Also, you know, for his general well-being.

Some say he's over the "moon" with his partying.

 

[ACC1224]

Last five seasons - Boston won 5 rounds, Edmonton won 3 rounds, Toronto won 1 round.

Well done - even leaving out Tampa you proved his point.

Any fan, if they’re being honest, would consider that great success in comparison.

 

[Hellcat]

You sound a lot like dubas and we all know how good he was at negotiations.

Paying matthews more than mack, pasta, ect and for far fewer years is a huge disadvantage.

If your goal is retain matthews, mission accomplished.

If you want to win the cup, this definitely was not the right move.

Naw more likely you just have no clue what you're talking about which is made even clearer by the fact that the bolded had nothing to do with my post.

You specifically made a point of calling out less years will impact our ability to win the cup. Jesus dude you dont even know (have a clue) what you posted?

Your myopic singular POV leaves out the fact the last 3 years of an 8 year deal will have Matty well into his 30's. It's a fact big body centers tend to break down and/or skills decline, speed decreases right around that time, it's a huge advantage to the Leafs to NOT have a player at $13.5+ mil who is a shadow of his former self but why consider more than just your singular lane POV when you think you are the smartest person in the room. Clearly you have ALL the answers by considering only one possibility.

Please stop, your just flailing now.

Some say he's over the "moon" with his partying.

ahh keep your pants on with those comments...

 

[therealkoho]

Our youth needs to be allowed to stick in the lineup and get their reps during the season so they prepared come the playoffs.

Not entirely on coaching as Knies didn’t sign until late in season, Robertson got hurt, but we’ve seen this over time especially with D like Sandin and Liljegren

"Play the kids"

 

[Hellcat]

So the star players on other teams that get similar raw points as our star players all make significantly less money.

And the reason for this is because our star players have other parts of their game (beside raw points) that make them more valuable. So we're at a competitive disadvantage when it comes to overall cap space and team balance, but that is made up for with all of our star players "extra" value other than just their raw points.

Ok. Sure, that could be a legitimate argument. But it would need one thing to make it accurate. Just one tiny little thing. SUCCESS.

If the team was winning round after round and cup after cup, you most assuredly could use the above argument as a legitimate defense of our star players contracts.

But the opposite is happening. The actual success of the team supports MY interpretation of the contracts. That our star players were/are significantly overpaid in relation with their direct comparables. This serves NO benefit to the team and results in a lack of depth to succeed in the grind that is the nhl playoffs.

If we accept your POV being the gospel, for Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares contracts to be worth it all the Leaf's need to do is win the Cup?

Our youth needs to be allowed to stick in the lineup and get their reps during the season so they prepared come the playoffs.

Not entirely on coaching as Knies didn’t sign until late in season, Robertson got hurt, but we’ve seen this over time especially with D like Sandin and Liljegren

Shouldn't our youth be over ripe NHL ready vs cutting their teeth in the NHL?

 

[Hellcat]

Any fan, if they’re being honest, would consider that great success in comparison.

If you have the talent that any of those teams have, that should be considered a big failure...there's no trophy for 3rd best playoff team.

Tkachuk
Stutzle
Chabot

All 8 yrs none overpaid

I get that as a Leafs fan we're supposed to hate everything Ottawa, but these are all great contracts that will keep their core together while they continue to add some solid support guys, like Chychrun, Hamonic, Giroux,Tarasenko to shorter terms and again, and most importantly, the right money.

I live close to Ottawa and have been a season ticket holder for 17 of the last 25 years, so I'm well acquainted with what they've been doing here to put this team together and the level of their players. Other than some missteps by the previous owner which I attribute to undue influence by what I call the Brian Murray mafia, the team has seen some success.

Ottawa is an OK place to live, there are no reasons I know of why players wouldn't want to either play or live here, there are a lot of players who stay here post career.

No offence intended but its a bit of a sleepy city, slower pace than the big metros, fun to visit, not a place I would want to make my home town.

 

[notbias]

Tkachuk
Stutzle
Chabot

All 8 yrs none overpaid

I get that as a Leafs fan we're supposed to hate everything Ottawa, but these are all great contracts that will keep their core together while they continue to add some solid support guys, like Chychrun, Hamonic, Giroux,Tarasenko to shorter terms and again, and most importantly, the right money.

I live close to Ottawa and have been a season ticket holder for 17 of the last 25 years, so I'm well acquainted with what they've been doing here to put this team together and the level of their players. Other than some missteps by the previous owner which I attribute to undue influence by what I call the Brian Murray mafia, the team has seen some success.

Ottawa is an OK place to live, there are no reasons I know of why players wouldn't want to either play or live here, there are a lot of players who stay here post career.

Chabot is overpaid and I truly think Tkachuk is one of the most overrated players in the game right now, he is a low-end 1LW who is loved because of his playing style (I know not everyone will agree).

Stutzle is a stud.

It is crazy how many people think the Sens have such an amazing roster (not saying you), yet they suck every year.

 

[IPS]

Chabot is overpaid and I truly think Tkachuk is one of the most overrated players in the game right now, he is a low-end 1LW who is loved because of his playing style (I know not everyone will agree).

Stutzle is a stud.

It is crazy how many people think the Sens have such an amazing roster (not saying you), yet they suck every year.

Tkhachuk took a pretty big step offensively last year and is on an a similar career trajectory to his brother. This entire phenemona of Dubas fans and diminishing other team's star players is honestly hilarious. A "low-end" 1LW, give me a f***ing break.

 

[Sypher04]

If we accept your POV being the gospel, for Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares contracts to be worth it all the Leaf's need to do is win the Cup?



Shouldn't our youth be over ripe NHL ready vs cutting their teeth in the NHL?

In a perfect world, yes, though I would say flat cap and the need for cheap young players makes that difficult to strictly adhere to. To be clear, I’m not advocating for giving opportunity to guys who are not ready. Im saying, if they are in your NHL lineup they need to properly used or you can’t expect to rely on them when the games become win or go home.