TSN: Leafs set to interview Treliving for GM role

[Bomber0104]

Lol this fan base so dam toxic man.... and so dam hypocritical. Ever since I been a fan, and every time we were looking to hire a gm, I remember the fan base got the person who they wanted and they all turned out to be shit all other than Quinn. So people on here shitting on Trev makes me want him here even more. Maybe us fans shouldn't get the person we want!

Thankfully, the fans don't have much say at all in GM selections. I'm sure some think whining on Twitter or some random blog will in some way influence things but that's just not the case at all.

Whoever interviews the best to the President and board representing Rogers/Bell/Tanenbaum is going to win the job, and this time it sounds like they're not going to be picking another rookie (rules Tulsky out), but rather someone who is well-experienced in the position.

 

[3blizzard4]

Treliving should ask the fam before accepting the interview.

 

[Trapper]

Treliving should ask the fam before accepting the interview.

He should accept but then call back next Thursday and ask for more.

 

[myleafs]

That’s probably the reality of the situation. Of all the TOP MGT, only Dubas and Spezza left. The rest of them are still here, and I don’t see what’s the difference between now and Dubas being GM a week ago.
If AM and Willie want to sign, fine, if they want to price themself out, fine. Trade them and just build with JT and MM. Lets see what the so called best winger in hockey can do without a Rocket winner as his C.

Having said all that, I think it got to be a reason for Armstrong name in the mix.

Regular season I think he does what he does and succeeds with anyone they put with him. He makes those around him better, more than Matthews in my opinion. Playoffs he needs to learn to keep it simple and take whats there and not force it but he has had 7 shots at it and continues to to the same thing so I don't know if he will ever figure it out . Oh and never talk to the media....ever.

 

[WillNy29]

Thankfully, the fans don't have much say at all in GM selections. I'm sure some think whining on Twitter or some random blog will in some way influence things but that's just not the case at all.

Whoever interviews the best to the President and board representing Rogers/Bell/Tanenbaum is going to win the job, and this time it sounds like they're not going to be picking another rookie (rules Tulsky out), but rather someone who is well-experienced in the position.

also rules out good candidates like Darche, Grealy, McKinnon, and Draper

 

[myleafs]

This guy is a loser. He is the one that tanked Calgary.

I am going to say it. Firing Dubas was a huge mistake. The players loved him and he was a good GM.

And all that success, dont forget about all that success

Lol this fan base so dam toxic man.... and so dam hypocritical. Ever since I been a fan, and every time we were looking to hire a gm, I remember the fan base got the person who they wanted and they all turned out to be shit all other than Quinn. So people on here shitting on Trev makes me want him here even more. Maybe us fans shouldn't get the person we want!

I think your on to something

 

[Stephen]

Mangiapane, Fox, Andersson, Dube, Kylington to name a few…yeah really horrendous indeed

Tkachuk, Bennett... (although Bennett was a disappointment).

 

[The Masters]

Thank you friedman for clarfying. MLSE does not make personell decisions as i mentioned a few times on here. They hire and get out of the way. Its been like this since leiweke came on board. Kyle’s moves clearly show he led those decisions. Not sure why friedman even led people to believe this. Such nonsense. Also says pittsburgh has kyle top of their lost

32 Thoughts: What's next for Leafs, Flames after front office changes

In his latest, Elliotte Friedman shares his thoughts on the Maple Leafs moving on from Kyle Dubas, what big decisions face Craig Conroy in Calgary, and more.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Lemontree]

How about the coaches he's hired ? not very impressive.

Sheldon Keefe

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Mangiapane, Fox, Andersson, Dube, Kylington to name a few…yeah really horrendous indeed

Great he made some good picks 8 years ago. Reminds me of people that think their franchise is top tier because they won a championship 10+ years ago.

 

[Puckstuff]

Based on what proof exactly? A couple of Dubas buddys in the media kind of sort of toss that tidbit out there with no proof and now its truth? It just seems like those who are Dubas people are making excuses for the teams failure...it wasnt our buddy Kyle fault for anything because it was that bad man shanny who ruled over him and wouldnt let him do stuff that would probably maybe im pretty sure put the team over the top. Dubas emailed Shanny and said he wanted the job so....does that mean he was ok with that tyrant Shanny lording over him? I aint buying it.

I’m not making any conclusions. As far as the last 2 years have gone, If Shanny is the one either vetoing deals or agreeing to them, he’s done a pretty good job. I trust Shanny’s logic in that role. So that gives me a bit more confidence with whoever comes in next.

 

[The Iceman]

I hope when Shanahan says he wants an experienced GM he would consider an experienced assistant GM.

At the moment there are a lot of GMs with experience available because they were not very good.

Drafts from 2015-2016 were good, and then 2019-2022 look promising again

Notable Picks:

Rasmus Andersson (late 2nd - became a #1D), Oliver Kylington (Last pick in R2 - became a 4D, with some untapped potential), Magniapaine (mid 6th round - became a top 6winger)

Matthew Tkachuk (6th OA - became a superstar, and now looks to be a top 5 player potentially in the league, dealt as he was not willing to stay L/T in Calgary), Dillon Dube (late 2nd - became a good 3rd liner for the flames), Adam Fox (early 3rd - Became a top 5D, though he refused to sign in Cal and then in CAR, with his mind being only set for NYR).

Some other low-key promising/potential draft picks he's made are:
1) Matthew Philips (tore up the AHL last 3 years, Sutter didn't play him due to him being a hobbit, and could become a 40-50 pt guy next year as he's only 25)
2) Valiamaki (16th OA in 2017 - dealt now, but at the point was looking very promising, had a torn ACL which cost him the full 2020 year and stalled his development next two years. Since being dealt to Arizona, he had a near 40 pt pace (35 in 74). Sure some of it is due to getting lots of time on a weak team, but he looks like he could be developing into a top 4D if he keeps progressing
3) Adam Ruzicka: 4th rounder in 2017, Very big and has physical tools that are hard to come by, 6'4 and 220 lbs. Productive player who for some reason didn't get many games the last two years (10 pts in 28 games in 2022 and 20 pts in 44 games in 2023). Is 24, has potential, and could break out to a good PWF if he gets opportunities next year

Besides the above names, there are the following very promising prospects from 2019 - 2022 who look to be major factors for the flames next year and beyond:

1) Jacob Pelletier - Likely a 2nd line winger
2) Dustin Wolf - Potential Franchise/Vezina goalie, has dominated every level of hockey he's played including 1 game in the NHL last year
3) Connor Zary - Late 1st in 2020 - Has been productive in the AHL, and likely had 3C floor with the potential to be a 2C if all goes well
4) Jeremy Porier - 4th round in 2020 - Boom or Bust potential, very productive in the Q, and now had around 41 pts in 70 games in the AHL as a 20-year-old along with 8 pts in 9 playoff games. Has defensive and commitment issues, but could be a Torey Krug-type player if he hits
5) Matt Coronato - 13OA in 2021, two good NCAA seasons, strong 2022 WJC, likely a 2nd line RW for the Flames.


Kadri had 56 pts on 7M contract

Tavares had 80 pts on a 11M contract

Kadri is closer to living up to his contract then Tavares, he was better relative to his deal this year. Kadri's downside is age. That deal will be LTIR'd or bought out/buried in the AHL with no cap savings in the last 2-3 years.

We were fortunate we signed JT in 2018 summer, had he been a UFA in 2020 summer and we signed him, we'd be pretty f***ed too

Oliver Kylington was also placed on waivers at one point.

 

[yubbers]

This guy is a loser. He is the one that tanked Calgary.

I am going to say it. Firing Dubas was a huge mistake. The players loved him and he was a good GM.

Dubas fired himself. Because he's terrible at his job. LOL

 

[nuck]

also rules out good candidates like Darche, Grealy, McKinnon, and Draper

The successful hire will be the one who convinces them they can handle the contract extensions. Experience only implies they have done something before so if any have been involved in significant contract discussions I think they have a shot. This is like any other job interview where you impress them with what you know about their organization, tell them what you can do for them, and give them your vision. So long as they at least get to the interview phase they have a chance to impress.

Shanahan knows this is his last bullet tho so he will likely bias to a "safe" choice but just being okay won't save his job. Lets hope he has on open mind.

 

[Superstar]

I’m not making any conclusions. As far as the last 2 years have gone, If Shanny is the one either vetoing deals or agreeing to them, he’s done a pretty good job. I trust Shanny’s logic in that role. So that gives me a bit more confidence with whoever comes in next.

Oh, I get it now...when Dubas took over as GM, for the first few years, the team was soft as butter...it only became grittier the last couple of years...I guess Shanny told Dubas that it's not a video game, and stop adding small soft players and get some grit and size! Petan, Malgin and Johnsson were adored by Dubas...Kerfoot and Barrie too.

 

[Leafs87]

Ok but the mandate is still the same regardless if the team needed or not. And Calgary did finish with 110 points or something last year.

I’m not even talking about last year. I’m talking about before the Tkachuk era

 

[Gabriel426]

They put out the Bat Signal to Armstrong and it's up to him to back channel if he's got an out clause or willingness to get out of St. Louis. Think that's how it works.

The signal is better be an A bc if it is a D, Dubas might think we are calling him back, lol

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Has anyone had a look at his drafting past the 1st round. It’s horrendous.

Have you? I don't think you have

 

[Stephen]

Oh, I get it now...when Dubas took over as GM, for the first few years, the team was soft as butter...it only became grittier the last couple of years...I guess Shanny told Dubas that it's not a video game, and stop adding small soft players and get some grit and size! Petan, Malgin and Johnsson were adored by Dubas...Kerfoot and Barrie too.

Hopefully in the next era we don't have those "versatile" water bug kind of players who specialize at nothing.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Honestly not the best or worst. The only thing I’d say to some people that are devastated worried, just remember that Calgary never let him do things the right way. They wanted a non stop competitive team and wouldn’t even consider a rebuild. Under the circumstances I believe he did okay.

If you are hoping for a rebuild here be prepared to be upset because it's not happening

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Will judge by next playoffs. That’s the only way to judge, even trade of McD to Leafs or whatever, the judgement will be next playoffs.
If the team won’t even make the playoffs, great, it means the firing will be sooner and more time to look for a new President, GM…
If it is first round again, then it is the players
If it is second round but game 7, he earns another year.
If it is ECF, earns another year
If it is Cup Finals, earns another year
If it is is a Cup, build this man a statue.

If he's here, he's not here for 1 year

 

[geo25]

Another wrinkle to the Treliving thing is that Calgary isn't gonna allow him to work until after the draft and given how few picks we have we have to hit on like 2 of these picks.

The Draft happens on June 28th and 29th. So Treliving starts work on the 30th and has to work on extending the core right away.

Plus all the picks we get from trades bound to happen before then...

 

[geo25]

I’ve said it already, but Armstrong is the president in STL, why take a demotion?

I guess the argument is the lure of being the guy to win in Toronto. Not sure that’s enough?

$$$$$$....lots of it

 

[nuck]

Oh, I get it now...when Dubas took over as GM, for the first few years, the team was soft as butter...it only became grittier the last couple of years...I guess Shanny told Dubas that it's not a video game, and stop adding small soft players and get some grit and size! Petan, Malgin and Johnsson were adored by Dubas...Kerfoot and Barrie too.

I think Dubas figured it out for himself over time. Shanny could have beaten that into him I suppose, but I don't think Shanahan had the background to be in there early on. He was learning as he went, same as Kyle and you got the impression they were in lock step to start with. But the more you watch a subordinate, the more you think you know what he knows.

It seems like Dubas had ideas and what worked he went with. Keeping the coach, who knows if he would have, but you try to fix things one at a time and then see how it works rather than making a bunch of changes' Otherwise you don't know which fix worked.

I would hope KD was not going to stick with Keefe, just because that is a reasonable first step before you start dismantling the lineup. If everything is on the table that is kind of obvious unless you have a particular area of the team which is letting you down.

I think Shanny may have gotten his nose in things a bit more after the failed playoffs persisted but there is no hint of that early on and things have a way of eventually getting out.

 

[Lauro]

Meh. Would prefer Tulsky/McPhee/Armstrong, but better Treliving than Hunter, Pridham or Bergevin. We'll see.