TSN: Leafs set to interview Treliving for GM role

[A1LeafNation]

Its not excuse if player want to leave the city, what do you expect...

You blame him to dont trade gaudreau and losing for nothing and at the same time blaming to trade Tkachuk and fox before they lost him for nothing and get huberdeau weegar ans 1st pick...

Just doesn't make sens at all

Didnt create a winning environment for players to want to stay. Lost the best players in the trades bc they didn't want to stay and overpaid on all his major signings.

That's not a smart GM imo.

 

[thusk]

Didnt create a winning environment for players to want to stay. Lost the best players in the trades bc they didn't want to stay and overpaid on all his major signings.

Terrible.

They was 3rd best team in the west, best team in their division

They didn't move away because lack of succes, geaudrau wanted to be closer of his family and he rejected more than whats he get with columbus to be xloser of his family and Tkachuk maybe because gaudreau left or because hes an american who want to come back in states...

Sometime they are some thing just out of your control whatever what you will do...

 

[nuck]

Kadri and markstrom are fine.
The tkachuk trade was good value. It was universally praised.

Fox didn’t want to sign. He was turned into lindholm

The gaudreau was a massive mistake.

He better have learned from that.

Gaudreau was coming off a couple of sub 20 goal seasons. He wasn't going to sign before with what he would have been offered to extend. This was his show me year and he exploded although he still might have moved even with a lesser season. The desire to head east was not previously reported so I don't see that as a GM problem., just bad luck. How much do you put out there in 2021 for this?

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The Flames always wanted to extend Tkachuk long term and he wanted that as well at one point but the cap space wasn't there at the time and eventually he had other ideas. Also, Sutter was kind of a prick which may have been a driver for both leaving as you know the coach isn't going anywhere after 50 wins. Fox was never coming to Canada.

They were a 50 win club and Kadri and Huberdeau were right there for the taking. No way Flames ownership let them slip into a retool.

Having said all that, I don't know that Tree is the guy but not for these particular things. I don't know that he isn't either because I haven't heard his presentation outlining how he will fix all the Leafs problems. That is how you get the job.

What I would really like is for them to sign their experienced guy to a 4 year deal and then bring Tulsky on at stupid Leaf money as the heir apparent. Win-win. Come on Shanny make it happen!

 

[A1LeafNation]

They was 3rd best team in the west, best team in their division

They didn't move away because lack of succes, geaudrau wanted to be closer of his family and he rejected more than whats he get with columbus to be xloser of his family and Tkachuk maybe because gaudreau left or because hes an american who want to come back in states...

Sometime they are some thing just out of your control whatever what you will do...

That's a good thing? Not to me. My expectations are higher.

 

[Stephen]

He acquired a 115 pt winger, a 1B center and 2 top 4 d men for 2 players who weren't going to re-sign. How much better do you expect someone to get? Not every trade is going to be a home run. That's a pretty damn good haul for having little to no leverage.

Just as an interesting side note, the Huberdeau and Gaudreau had very similar 115 point seasons with different goal totals last year and they are basically identical in age, being born 2 months apart. Treliving basically replaced Johnny Hockey with Johnny Huberdeau, but obviously no one is coming out ahead in a Tkachuk trade. I like Weegar in the medium term though. He's going to turn it around.

If the Flames turn it around Conroy will get the bulk of the praise.

 

[stealth1]

Didnt create a winning environment for players to want to stay. Lost the best players in the trades bc they didn't want to stay and overpaid on all his major signings.

That's not a smart GM imo.

To be fair, it's not like he had much of a choice. According to reports he wanted to rebuild but ownership wouldn't let him

 

[geo25]

This is true and most people thought Treliving did very well in moving Tkachuk given the circumstances.

He did the best of a bad situation without doubt...
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[Martin Skoula]

He acquired a 115 pt winger, a 1B center and 2 top 4 d men for 2 players who weren't going to re-sign. How much better do you expect someone to get? Not every trade is going to be a home run. That's a pretty damn good haul for having little to no leverage.

I mean we could trade Matthews for RNH Nurse and Barrie and you could frame that as a 109 point C and two top-4 D for a guy who wasn’t going to re-sign. The relevant part is whether the team improves or not as a result of the moves.

 

[A1LeafNation]

To be fair, it's not like he had much of a choice. According to reports he wanted to rebuild but ownership wouldn't let him

So we are good with hiring a yes man? Ie like Chuck Fletcher?

 

[stealth1]

So we are good with hiring a yes man? Ie like Chuck Fletcher?

It's no different with the Leafs. I'm sure the new GM won't be allowed to trade core players as making the playoffs is important to ownership

 

[Gabriel426]

a good point in here is that a player's mutiny occured in Calgary under Treliving's watch, what's to stop the same from happening here???????

Nothing. If the team cater to the players more than the GM. Isn’t it the same here already when players dictate terms?

 

[thusk]

That's a good thing? Not to me. My expectations are higher.

But youre expectations look like unrealistic and come from a Disney movie. Come back in reality, they work with human and every human having different personality, value, interest or whatever.

 

[ACC1224]

So we are good with hiring a yes man? Ie like Chuck Fletcher?

I imagine any GM would listen to their Owner if they told him to do something. They’d make their argument but at the end of the day they still answer to someone

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Treliving To Maple Leafs Heating Up? | The Chris Johnston Show

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May 25, 2023 The Chris Johnston Show

On this episode of The Chris Johnston Show:

Matthew Tkachuk & the Florida Panthers (00:30)

You Can Bet That w/ Sports Interaction (11:00)

Brad Treliving to Maple Leafs getting hot (15:30)

the Penguins (25:20)

Flames coaching job (31:15)

Treliving's eligibility for the draft (35:50)

 

[A1LeafNation]

But youre expectations look like unrealistic and come from a Disney movie. Come back in reality, they work with human and every human having different personality, value, interest or whatever.

Not screw up with your franchises biggest assets is a Disney movie? I don't think so.

 

[thusk]

Not screw up with your franchises biggest assets is a Disney movie? I don't think so.

Biggest asset who want to move... if Matthews was asking for a trade at the end of season because he wanted to come back in states, what leafs could do except trading Matthews or lose him for nothing?

But at least he was able to get a high skilled foward ( okay doesnt work last year, doesnt mean it will be the case in futur) a top 3 D and a 1st.. What do you want more from a player who would left the team whatever what?

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[A1LeafNation]

Biggest asset who want to move... if Matthews was asking for a trade at the end of season because he wanted to come back in states, what leafs could do except trading Matthews or lose him for nothing?

But at least he was able to get a high skilled foward ( okay doesnt work last year, doesnt mean it will be the case in futur) a top 3 D and a 1st.. What do you want more from a player who would left the team whatever what?

I'm not buying that Treliving was close to re-signing him and lost him for nothing.

All those fluff pieces is media spin.

 

[thusk]

I'm not buying that Treliving was close to re-signing him and lost him for nothing.

All those fluff pieces is media spin.

Tkachuk had already player 6 season, after 7 hes ufa... he could just in worst case scenario sign a one year deal in arbritation and left after 1 season... i just dont know in wich world youre leaving...

 

[A1LeafNation]

Tkachuk had already player 6 season, after 7 hes ufa... he could just in worst case scenario sign a one year deal in arbritation and left after 1 season... i just dont know in wich world youre leaving...

Most star players stay if the team is a contender.

Treliving didn't build the Flames that way. No one thinks they are on the cusp of winning, even the players.

 

[saltming]

Treliving had been an assistant GM to Don Maloney in Arizona and many believed Burke was really the man pulling the strings in Calgary. Truth is, Treliving and Burke saw the game the same way. The Flames were going to play “heavy” hockey, he said then, ringing true now. “I think you have to play a heavy game. That’s not just a personal preference. Turn on the TV tonight and watch the games.

Comparisons to Burke. Could he be the new improved Burke?

Who would his coach be? Does Boudreau check the boxes?

 

[thusk]

Most star players stay if the team is a contender.

Treliving didn't build the Flames that way. No one thinks they are on the cusp of winning, even the players.

Treliving took a team whos played with colborne, bouma, glenncross playing in their second line, with no prospect pool at all... to finally get real result from draft you did you need a 4-5 season at least

He made trade to bring hamilton in calgary and bring lindholm and hanifin later for hamiltom. If you watch where he started and where calgary is right now despite lost of gaudreau and Tkachuk... Calgary still a much better team right now than 2014 with a most better prospect pool and its not even close.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Still early. I think more names come up shortly here

Of the 4 reams that were remaining I doubt any of their GMs are let go but ya never know. Vegas seems to fire everyone, every time they lose a round. Maybe Waddell gets let go to keep Tulsky. If that's the case, I would hire Waddell in a heartbeat.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Treliving took a team whos played with colborne, bouma, glenncross playing in their second line, with no prospect pool at all... to finally get real result from draft you did you need a 4-5 season at least

He made trade to bring hamilton in calgary and bring lindholm and hanifin later for hamiltom. If you watch where he started and where calgary is right now despite lost of gaudreau and Tkachuk... Calgary still a much better team right now than 2014 with a most better prospect pool and its not even close.

No #1 C, no #1D, no #1G, no real chance honestly.

Hopefully he doesn't bring that half-assed GMing to the Leafs.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Fox didn't want to play in Canada and only wanted to play for the Rangers. He also wanted out of Carolina shortly after.

Once Gaudreau left, he wasn't going to re-sign.

Again, you dont usually hit a homerun on a situation you have no leverage in. He did as well as anyone could do on that Tkachuk trade.

His signings defintely suck though

Didnt create a winning environment for players to want to stay. Lost the best players in the trades bc they didn't want to stay and overpaid on all his major signings.

Terrible.

Just as an interesting side note, the Huberdeau and Gaudreau had very similar 115 point seasons with different goal totals last year and they are basically identical in age, being born 2 months apart. Treliving basically replaced Johnny Hockey with Johnny Huberdeau, but obviously no one is coming out ahead in a Tkachuk trade. I like Weegar in the medium term though. He's going to turn it around.

If the Flames turn it around Conroy will get the bulk of the praise.

Conroy already stated he wants to create an environment where guys can be excited to come to work. The exact opposite of the situation with Sutter behind the bench. I fully expect that team to have a bounce back year. Maybe not a contender but a solid year and get back to the playoffs.