TSN: Leafs set to interview Treliving for GM role

[andora]

Seems like no one likes it.


If they wanted to keep the coach, why did they fire him?
I feel like I'm missing something obvious but I don't get it.

Several players said they wouldnt come back if he stayed.. noome named

 

[SprDaVE]

Can we please read about at least one other name attached to the job, like what the hell is going on

In Calgary and Pittsburgh there were massive lists and with us its just Tanenbaums friends kid. Like at least give the false impression this is an actual search and not just a formality.

Dreger just said they are early in the process. So I'd expect more concrete names to surface soon. But I'm also going to say the names are probably not going to be much liked either.

 

[ACC1224]

Several players said they wouldnt come back if he stayed.. noome named

So to sum up, the thoughts are,
Treliving left because he wanted to remove the coach and the Owner wouldn't let him.
Once he was gone the players said they wouldn't come back, so they fired the coach.

Do I have it now?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

So to sum up, the thoughts are,
Treliving left because he wanted to remove the coach and the Owner wouldn't let him.
Once he was gone the players said they wouldn't come back, so they fired the coach.

Do I have it now?

Essentially. Lindholm is the one player that is generally accepted said he did not want to play under Sutter anymore and wouldn't sign a new contract. Ownership really didn't want to get rid of Sutter but the players didn't leave them a lot of choice.

 

[andora]

So to sum up, the thoughts are,
Treliving left because he wanted to remove the coach and the Owner wouldn't let him.
Once he was gone the players said they wouldn't come back, so they fired the coach.

Do I have it now?

Yeppers

 

[ACC1224]

Essentially. Lindholm is the one player that is generally accepted said he did not want to play under Sutter anymore and wouldn't sign a new contract. Ownership really didn't want to get rid of Sutter but the players didn't leave them a lot of choice.

If they had done this before Treliving left would he still be there or was he leaving anyway?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

If they had done this before Treliving left would he still be there or was he leaving anyway?

The team/ownership wanted him back but the rumour is when they wouldn't let him move on from Sutter he decided to leave. A week later the players forced ownerships hand in getting rid of Sutter. Basically we aren't the only Canadian team having a daytime soap play out in our front office this off season.

 

[The Masters]

 

[Leafblooded]

Treliving? Realllly??? This is going from trainwreck to atom bomb detonation. If this guy gets hired here expect pain like we haven't experienced in a decade. It's going to get biblical for leaf nation. We'll see the playoffs maybe next decade.

 

[Brobust]

Pros: I don't mind the trades. Even the Tkachuk was one fine considering how little leverage he had.

Cons: Awful UFA signings. Post 2016, his draft record looks worse than Toronto's.

 

[Brobust]

I would love to hire Tulsky as an AGM, but not as our GM just yet. He would need more time in a big market imo.

Shanny
Treliving
Tulsky / Pridham

That's a solid front office.

Pretty sure it isn't Don Waddell calling the shots in Carolina.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Pros: I don't mind the trades. Even the Tkachuk was one fine considering how little leverage he had.

Cons: Awful UFA signings. Post 2016, his draft record looks worse than Toronto's.

Coronato looks promising with Calgary from 2020

Wolf from 2019 draft was amongst the best goalies not in the NHL

Not sure what Pelletier is yet, Sutter didn't exactly give him a ton of chances.

2015 and 2016 drafts are *chef's kiss*

 

[Albz]

Treliving? Realllly??? This is going from trainwreck to atom bomb detonation. If this guy gets hired here expect pain like we haven't experienced in a decade. It's going to get biblical for leaf nation. We'll see the playoffs maybe next decade.

Posts like this make this fan base very laughable.... just stop it man...

 

[hockeywiz542]

Aspiring Leafs GMs Will Have to Sidestep Shanahan's One Rule - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

If an aspiring GM comes in and says he wants to trade a member of the core four in Toronto, does that rule them out of the job?

thehockeywriters.com

Shanahan Has Told The “Core Four” He Expects to Keep Them Together

Another NHL insider, Chris Johnston of the Steve Dangle Podcast Network, recently reported that Shanahan called each of the Maple Leafs’ core four players and told them the organization intends to keep them together. All four want to stay put, and now the franchise has said, ‘Yep, that’s the plan.’ That’s an interesting “promise” to make considering it’s possible that every single GM who applies for the job might believe trading one of them is the only real way to fix this roster.

In the case of Treliving, someone who isn’t likely afraid to speak his mind, would he say he thinks one of Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, or William Nylander should be dealt, if he believes that’s the best path forward? One would assume so. And, if he does, would that take him out of the running considering Shanahan just told his stars that they won’t be traded? It would be an intriguing way to start an already soap opera-like relationship.

That leaves Treliving in a curious spot. While it’s not known what his vision for the team might be, if it isn’t keeping to core intact, how does he sidestep what Shanahan has essentially already promised his top-end talent? For that matter, how does any experienced GM who wants to be upfront and honest about their thoughts and implement “their plan” for a team that continues to disappoint?

Is This Shanahan Already Blocking Moves By a New GM?

Even if Shanahan and a new GM are on the same page when it comes to the “core four”, what happens if the GM wants to make other moves and Shanahan isn’t favorable to them? The fact that Shanahan didn’t wait to approach his stars before a new GM was hired already speaks to the notion that his top priority isn’t the vision of whoever joins this team as its manager. Shanahan essentially said, ‘I’m going to be hiring someone, and they might think one thing but don’t worry guys, we’ll keep you together.’

This is why Kyle Dubas was rumored to be so frustrated. Shanahan was reportedly frequently stepping in and not letting his manager make key decisions. With this report coming out by Johnston, every GM interviewing for this position now knows that Shanahan will talk to his players but not ask for his GM’s opinion first. How does a new GM who wants any sort of autonomy operate under these conditions? Moreover, if all of those applicants walk away from the gig because they don’t have a real say in roster decisions, what candidates are left beyond GMs will simply be a “yes person” to Shanahan’s every thought when it comes to hockey decisions?

Can A New GM Work Around Shanahan’s Constant Interference?

Some people will make the argument that every GM has a boss and that huge decisions need to go through a certain chain of command before the deal is done. That is probably accurate. Few GMs have full autonomy over all roster decisions. At the same time, these GMs probably want to be included in important discussions with the key players on the team and Shanahan has already proven he’s willing to make assurances without a new GM in the loop.

Maybe this was a one-time thing. Maybe it wasn’t. Any GM that comes in an interview for this job needs to know and be comfortable with how everything operates with Shanahan at the top of the food chain. And, if you cross him, we’ve already seen what happens to those who want him removed from the equation. Bye, bye.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Coronato looks promising with Calgary from 2020

Wolf from 2019 draft was amongst the best goalies not in the NHL

Not sure what Pelletier is yet, Sutter didn't exactly give him a ton of chances.

2015 and 2016 drafts are *chef's kiss*

Everyone points out a couple of so so years in Tree's drafting..but they never point out the ones that netted a lot of good players. You could go through anyone's drafting and find similar results with picks that did not amount to much.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Everyone points out a couple of so so years in Tree's drafting..but they never point out the ones that netted a lot of good players. You could go through anyone's drafting and find similar results with picks that did not amount to much.

2018 - Sandin, Durzi, Grundstrom, Holmberg and maybe Kral
2019 - Robertson...maybe?
2020 - Hard to say yet
2021-22 too soon

 

[KMNRB]

All GMs make mistakes. You could write a book on the mistakes TOR's last GM made.

I don't have anything against Armstrong. Just want to point out a glaring mistake that he made.

I would categorize GM's mistakes into two kinds. The first is revealed in hindsight (e.g., signing Tavares, trading tkachuk for huberdeau+weegar, giving up on Vehaeghe too soon, etc.). The second is complained by every fan immediately at the time (e.g., Drafting Juolevi over Tkachuk, drafting Senyshyn over Barzal and Connor, trading away Rask for Raycroft, trading Marleau for a future 1st round pick). It is the second kind of mistake that is the most disturbing.

The mishandling of the Pietrangelo situation, from what I heard a couple of years ago, belong closer to the latter than the former.

 

[Stephen]

lol, you talk about 'spin'
Fox was a throw in on a trade in the spring of 2018, that I expect Carolina demanded be added to the main principals which was Hanifin and Lindholm for Hamilton and Ferland. Fox was not a 'top' prospect. he wasnt even a 'top' prospect the following spring of 2019, when Carolina was forced to trade him or let him walk, NOT Calgary. He was considered a 'good' prospect, but, never a future Norris winner.
if anything we should be going for Carolina's GM, not Calgary's who gave away a Norris winner for nothing.

No, Fox was a top prospect pretty much throughout his college career. There’s no reason to “spin” when you have back dated articles prior to the trade itself.

Whether he was a Norris caliber prospect, probably not that was above expectation but everyone knew Fox was a gem.

FLAMES TOP PROSPECTS - ADAM FOX | Calgary Flames

The defenceman is coming off a tremendous freshman year at Harvard

www.nhl.com

 

[KMNRB]

Aspiring Leafs GMs Will Have to Sidestep Shanahan's One Rule - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

If an aspiring GM comes in and says he wants to trade a member of the core four in Toronto, does that rule them out of the job?

thehockeywriters.com

Shanahan Has Told The “Core Four” He Expects to Keep Them Together

Another NHL insider, Chris Johnston of the Steve Dangle Podcast Network, recently reported that Shanahan called each of the Maple Leafs’ core four players and told them the organization intends to keep them together. All four want to stay put, and now the franchise has said, ‘Yep, that’s the plan.’ That’s an interesting “promise” to make considering it’s possible that every single GM who applies for the job might believe trading one of them is the only real way to fix this roster.

In the case of Treliving, someone who isn’t likely afraid to speak his mind, would he say he thinks one of Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, or William Nylander should be dealt, if he believes that’s the best path forward? One would assume so. And, if he does, would that take him out of the running considering Shanahan just told his stars that they won’t be traded? It would be an intriguing way to start an already soap opera-like relationship.

That leaves Treliving in a curious spot. While it’s not known what his vision for the team might be, if it isn’t keeping to core intact, how does he sidestep what Shanahan has essentially already promised his top-end talent? For that matter, how does any experienced GM who wants to be upfront and honest about their thoughts and implement “their plan” for a team that continues to disappoint?

Is This Shanahan Already Blocking Moves By a New GM?

Even if Shanahan and a new GM are on the same page when it comes to the “core four”, what happens if the GM wants to make other moves and Shanahan isn’t favorable to them? The fact that Shanahan didn’t wait to approach his stars before a new GM was hired already speaks to the notion that his top priority isn’t the vision of whoever joins this team as its manager. Shanahan essentially said, ‘I’m going to be hiring someone, and they might think one thing but don’t worry guys, we’ll keep you together.’

This is why Kyle Dubas was rumored to be so frustrated. Shanahan was reportedly frequently stepping in and not letting his manager make key decisions. With this report coming out by Johnston, every GM interviewing for this position now knows that Shanahan will talk to his players but not ask for his GM’s opinion first. How does a new GM who wants any sort of autonomy operate under these conditions? Moreover, if all of those applicants walk away from the gig because they don’t have a real say in roster decisions, what candidates are left beyond GMs will simply be a “yes person” to Shanahan’s every thought when it comes to hockey decisions?

Can A New GM Work Around Shanahan’s Constant Interference?

Some people will make the argument that every GM has a boss and that huge decisions need to go through a certain chain of command before the deal is done. That is probably accurate. Few GMs have full autonomy over all roster decisions. At the same time, these GMs probably want to be included in important discussions with the key players on the team and Shanahan has already proven he’s willing to make assurances without a new GM in the loop.

Maybe this was a one-time thing. Maybe it wasn’t. Any GM that comes in an interview for this job needs to know and be comfortable with how everything operates with Shanahan at the top of the food chain. And, if you cross him, we’ve already seen what happens to those who want him removed from the equation. Bye, bye.

With all these talks about Shanahan's constant interference, can someone enlighten us on how Lou managed to work under Shanahan during his realm here? Did Shanahan interfere with every move that Lou made and upset Lou so much that he decided to leave to become president/GM of the Islanders? Or was it because of Dubas wanting the GM job that forces Lou to quit?

 

[geo25]

It is what it is no doubt .. to me I have watched a couple games since Leafs went out but da interest level is just so low even I flipped to NBA basketball more than hockey .. last night i decided to watch cats vs canes game and it looked to me like Canes were far better team and refs actually decided game with a FAKE tripping call with a minute left .. tripping is generally when a guy reaches out and sticks his stick in guys leg or foot area to intentionally stop him .. omg last night it was Stall coming in for a check with his stick in normal position and opposing player skates right into his stick .. do you consider that a trip???????? and that play decided that game .. to me da refs wanted Florida in final .. not sure why??????? but maybe bettman wants a new stanley cup champ in vegas or Cats???????????

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[AvroArrow]

If they had done this before Treliving left would he still be there or was he leaving anyway?

Several reports said that all the players who requested a trade, rescinded the trade requests immediately after Sutter was fired. The players all wanted out because of Sutter, it's weird we're going through this transition phase in the NHL now. We saw a similar thing in the NBA about 10ish years ago. Players have more influence/power and if they don't want to put up with an asshole they'll be open about it and force managements hand.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Can the OP do a disclaimer and tell people that an interview does not mean that Treliving is now the new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I would hope that Shanny would go beyond 1 interview.

Shanahan is doing his due diligence by interviewing Treliving who is an available ex-GM of an NHL team.

 

[Anthrax442]

Like i said earlier just rank all NHL city, from the best destination to the worst... calgary will be somewhere at the bottom of that list. So thats affecting contract negociation

Just took every of those contrat exemple with a florida team. Exemple Markstrom contract just with taxes, its a difference of 500K/ season of salary. You add the fact one city is pretty hot and pretty attractive city and the other one is cold and pretty boring city.. At same or similar salary where do you think player will go.

And mgmt replaces him. He goes on to a win a world series and is in the playoffs every year. Jays have become pretty much irrelevant again outside of a few good seasons.

Technically, he was the one that walked away , and he makes the playoffs every year in a joke of a division. The team that he had make the playoffs was super old and aged very quickly after. Also hr traded all the assets for the players he brought in.

 

[thusk]

Technically, he was the one that ealked aeay, and he makes the playoffs every year in a joke of a division. The team that he had make the playoffs was super old and aged very quickly after. Also hr traded all the assets for the players he brought in.

Player came from last 10 draft before treliving

2013 monahan
2012 jankowski
2011 , gaudreau
2008 tj brodie
2007 backlund
2004 prust

Now 9 of treliving
2014 bennett
2015 andersson, kyllington, mangiapanne
2016 tkachuk, dube, fox
2017 ruzicka
2019 pelletier, wolf

Rest is too soon to evaluate in first 5 season, Calgary draft pratically 2X amount of good player than the 10 year before...

Should be surprising he was one of oldest team when they didnt get the job done at draft before he hired a calgary GM? Should we surprising he needed to pay and overpay free agent to fill hole in his line up with only few young player able to step in?

For the quality of team he obtained and city difficulty, honestly i think he did in general a good job in Calgary and i just dont undrrstand why everyones complain about him...

He still made playoff 5 of 9 season he was there without having a top team but enough good to have some succes

 

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