TSN: Leafs set to interview Treliving for GM role

[HandshakeLineRespect]

and how is he doing in Calgary's lineup?

Ahh i guess you cant comprehend that Treliving had no control of a 4 year college American player that was going to walk for nothing. Sad.

 

[andora]

Pridham is a bean counter, i would rather have him running spreadsheets and spitting out pivot tables. Bean counters i know generally lack the social skills needed for a position like the GM of the Leafs.

Oh yeah cause our stars are just oozing personality... bean counters can be wonderful people if given a chance - other people can be shitdicks in not giving them a chance

Fyi.. i am not a bean counter

 

[mydnyte]

He was a 4 year college player that was going to walk for nothing, but spin it how you like. Getting Lindholm and Hanafin back was great work considering the bind he was in.

lol, you talk about 'spin'
Fox was a throw in on a trade in the spring of 2018, that I expect Carolina demanded be added to the main principals which was Hanifin and Lindholm for Hamilton and Ferland. Fox was not a 'top' prospect. he wasnt even a 'top' prospect the following spring of 2019, when Carolina was forced to trade him or let him walk, NOT Calgary. He was considered a 'good' prospect, but, never a future Norris winner.
if anything we should be going for Carolina's GM, not Calgary's who gave away a Norris winner for nothing.

 

[The Iceman]

Agree on the others but so what if noesen is 30.. he is useful until the next one..

More useful than ZAR?
Who would he be replacing??

ZAR is severly challenged offensively and scored 10 even strength goals
Noesen 6G even strenth.

 

[KMNRB]

Says the St Louis guy. Is he connected to Treliving? They just started the interviews so Andy must have a crystal ball.

Seems to me that people in St Louis really wants to stop all rumors regarding Doug Armstrong.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Unproven is still much better than the guy who's proven not to be very good and lost one of his stars for nothing and traded the other one for a loss

You think? I'd rather take a Huberdeaus, Weegar, and a 1st than have to go through years of inexperienced bungling that Dubas exemplified. Tulsky, while learning, could perform damage till he learns the ropes.

If Matthews wants to go, and Tulsky needs to trade him, he'll be ravaged by other GM's. Conversely, Matthews given his track record is going to want 14-15 mill to sign here. Is Tulsky going to have the balls to say no? We know Dubas didn't.

 

[GoonieFace]

He is the son of that guy from Shark Tank? Wonder if he is a con man as well, might come in handy

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Bergevin also had an elite hall of fame goaltender so you have to handicap his record. On top of that he made some dreadful trades like Sergachev for Drouin.

He screwed the Drouin trade for sure...but he won the Subban for Webber along with realizing Galchenyuk was a wasted pick and moved him before everyone else saw the stink. You cannot find the perfect GM...I am not saying Bergy is really good..but they all have pretty big mistakes on their resume.

 

[mydnyte]

Ahh i guess you cant comprehend that Treliving had no control of a 4 year college American player that was going to walk for nothing. Sad.

he wasnt though, and i dont understand why you keep claiming this false naritive...
In Calgary, he was only a 3 year guy when Trev dealt him, and then in Carolina One YEAR later, when he actually was a 4 year player, Carolina had to deal him off for bits, as he would only accept a deal to NYR
Carolina's hands were tied in year 4
Calgary had no reason to deal him a year earlier except that Carolina wanted him, and Trev didnt think he was a big deal, and included him.

this is similar to Lou Lam tossing in Verhaeghe into that really bad Gibson AHL deal. Lou didnt care that he had been improving year after year, and added him into an already poor deal only to free a roster spot, to make it even worse.

 

[4thline]

he wasnt though, and i dont understand why you keep claiming this false naritive...
In Calgary, he was only a 3 year guy when Trev dealt him, and then in Carolina One YEAR later, when he actually was a 4 year player, Carolina had to deal him off for bits, as he would only accept a deal to NYR
Carolina's hands were tied in year 4
Calgary had no reason to deal him a year earlier except that Carolina wanted him, and Trev didnt think he was a big deal, and included him.

This is just.... all wrong. How can you speak so authoritatively from such a position of ignorance?

Calgary tried to sign him after his 28 point in 29 game, (5 in 7 at the WJC) sophomore/ D+2 season, he wouldn't sign, so they sent him as a valued part of the trade to Carolina who thought they could.

He wouldn't sign there either, so they moved him to NY after his junior/D+3 season.

 

[thewave]

Pridham is a bean counter, i would rather have him running spreadsheets and spitting out pivot tables. Bean counters i know generally lack the social skills needed for a position like the GM of the Leafs.

Well Pridham would sit with the agent and Shanny. They would argue numbers and he would show them all the ways they are wrong. How they stand to lose in areas such as advertisements (especially Mitch who would get decimated). That's the point of arming yourself with a great bean counter in negotiations.

Now Leafs Nations thinks bean counters are bad, good for Dubas, no good for Pridham who is Elite enough to argue against any of the fakey fakey stats they bring up.

This is the best one... Mitch enters zone, lobs corsi shot moving 25mph on net. Most effective.

 

[Byron Bitz]

What would you say Treliving’s best moves were in Calgary?

History of hockey trades by general manager Brad Treliving - NHL Trade Tracker

 

[4thline]

Thoughts on Treliving

Overall - no warming and fuzzies, kinda meh

Drafting concerns- overblown
2020- present -> is to soon to evaluate, though early signs aren't exactly fantastic
2019-> If Pelletier rounds into at top 9 forward and Wolf and backup 1B that's a solid class
2018-> zilch, but didn't pick until the 4th
2015-2017 -> Andersson, Kylington, Mangiapane, Dube, Fox, Ruzicka outside of the 1st round. If the Leafs make those picks we're looking at a very different last few years, even if Fox doesn't report and gets traded. Incredible drafting

Trades- + Toffoli/Hamilton/Hamonic- breaks the value curve and gets multiple years of prime age top 6/4 players
+ Lindholm/Hanfifin - got great value for a couple of problem assets in Hamilton/Fox
+Huberdeau/Weegar/1st for MT - awesome value

BIG MINUS
- last offseason. Did good in the trade, decent team, strong asset pool, lost of flexibility long term. pissed it away with the Hubs/Kadri contracts, should have kept Monahan, ridden out the year, waited to see if Hub was a fit before signing him

The biggest issue was "going for it" last year. How much was him, how much ownership mandate? Don't know.

I think the biggest pluses is the trading. The things he shown are what we need. Repeated ability to go 1st+ to get multiple years of prime assets under control is huge. Repeated ability to swing strong hockey trades when name players need to go.

 

[Rare Jewel]

What would you say Treliving’s best moves were in Calgary?

History of hockey trades by general manager Brad Treliving - NHL Trade Tracker

Not sure, there are a few contenders for worst though.

 

[andora]

More useful than ZAR?
Who would he be replacing??

ZAR is severly challenged offensively and scored 10 even strength goals
Noesen 6G even strenth.

Then ZAR? Yes and cheaper. Noesen has also shown that he can be used effectively on a powerplay and in front of the net

It is the concept - noesen signed for a couple years at 760000 would have been a valuable 4th liner with spot duty but it in the way that have managed assets and players he is another one tossed aside

A player like him signed cheap for 2 years stabilizes that piece and you dont have to go out and trade or sign yet another one the next year

Speaks to continuity of the roster

 

[trellaine201]

Maybe they only hire him on a short contract?

 

[Peasy]

Like Kyper pointed out, it goes to show that Dubas did bushwack Shanahan with salary and power grab demands at the very last minute. Shanny figuring a deal was done with Kyle a couple weeks earlier, so didn't prep with a Plan B just in case.

Dubas planned his contract to expire just as critical NMNT clauses kicked in for some of the Core Fore. Leading them to believe he was going to sign earlier, figured he'd have MLSE over a barrel, they'd have to accept his premeditated backstabbing demands or they'd be f*****. Totally shows what a slimy mercenary he is - so many here fooled by boyish demeanour, the "family" thing he trotted out, and the fake glasses. Welcome to harsh reality.

Yeah dubas is a straight up rat with how all this played out. Says he needs time away for his family, yet hes checking in with the pens less than a week after he said he would be nowhere else this year.

Dubas learned from Matthews and Marner on how to be a little f***in rat during contract negotiations. Its actually disgusting behavior, and him using a cop out like his family is so f***in pathetic.

 

[thusk]

lol, you talk about 'spin'
Fox was a throw in on a trade in the spring of 2018, that I expect Carolina demanded be added to the main principals which was Hanifin and Lindholm for Hamilton and Ferland. Fox was not a 'top' prospect. he wasnt even a 'top' prospect the following spring of 2019, when Carolina was forced to trade him or let him walk, NOT Calgary. He was considered a 'good' prospect, but, never a future Norris winner.
if anything we should be going for Carolina's GM, not Calgary's who gave away a Norris winner for nothing.

Mmm sorry fox was a great prospect not a norris for sure but still a great prospect. He didn't want sign entry level deal with both of Carolina AND Calgary. Its why Calgary traded him 1st and after Carolina did the same because the only place he want to sign was in NY

 

[jaric1862]

It’s so obvious it’s gonna be Treliving

 

[thewave]

It’s so obvious it’s gonna be Treliving

It better not be. He looks like a Nonis / Dubas level dope and when you look into what he has done, it's backed up. He is a GM at the level a team like AZ would hire for low cost. Pridham is where it's at compared to this old boys club BC boy Treliving.

 

[Thornbury]

This is just.... all wrong. How can you speak so authoritatively from such a position of ignorance?

Calgary tried to sign him after his 28 point in 29 game, (5 in 7 at the WJC) sophomore/ D+2 season, he wouldn't sign, so they sent him as a valued part of the trade to Carolina who thought they could.

He wouldn't sign there either, so they moved him to NY after his junior/D+3 season.

Yes, I would argue that Treviling faced two really tough situations- Fox and Tkachuk- where the best he could do was make lemonade out of lemons, and in both instances, he succeeded. Our new GM will have to deal with a couple similar situations leading up to July 1. At least Teviling has shown he can deal with those challenges.

 

[ToneDog]

Yeah dubas is a straight up rat with how all this played out. Says he needs time away for his family, yet hes checking in with the pens less than a week after he said he would be nowhere else this year.

Dubas learned from Matthews and Marner on how to be a little f***in rat during contract negotiations. Its actually disgusting behavior, and him using a cop out like his family is so f***in pathetic.

I'm glad his arrogance caused him to show his true colours or he'd still be here,

 

[Rare Jewel]

Drafting concerns- overblown
2020- present -> is to soon to evaluate, though early signs aren't exactly fantastic
2019-> If Pelletier rounds into at top 9 forward and Wolf and backup 1B that's a solid class
2018-> zilch, but didn't pick until the 4th
2015-2017 -> Andersson, Kylington, Mangiapane, Dube, Fox, Ruzicka outside of the 1st round. If the Leafs make those picks we're looking at a very different last few years, even if Fox doesn't report and gets traded. Incredible drafting

Is this a reflection of him or his scouting group, and will they be coming as well?

GMs tend to get too much credit and criticism for the draft IMO.

 

[thewave]

Is this a reflection of him or his scouting group, and will they be coming as well?

GMs tend to get too much credit and criticism for the draft IMO.

Final say.

Scouts put it on the table and narrow it down. Does his due diligence and gets final say right? Just like Dubas could have worked a strategy to protect McCann, nope. That's final say for you, we got Holl. Same stuff in draft.

 

[4thline]

Is this a reflection of him or his scouting group, and will they be coming as well?

GMs tend to get too much credit and criticism for the draft IMO.

A fair point, and I agree in the micro sense. Any given pick is on the scouts unless it's a GM override. But in the macro across a span of years the GM gives the scouts their direction in terms of wants, and needs to be constantly working (via their scouting director) to improve that scouting team, that result.