TSN: Leafs set to interview Treliving for GM role

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Has anyone had a look at his drafting past the 1st round. It’s horrendous.

Adam Fox

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I'm not a Treliving fan either but those of you that are upset that we may not hire Tulsky is hilarious. So you want an unproven inexperienced manager to lead us through a period where we need to sign some of our stars. Hmmm, sounds like the time we hired Dubas and we know how that turned out. Open the bank for players who have earned squat and cap strap us for 5 years.

Unproven is still much better than the guy who's proven not to be very good and lost one of his stars for nothing and traded the other one for a loss

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

and traded him as a toss in

He was a 4 year college player that was going to walk for nothing, but spin it how you like. Getting Lindholm and Hanafin back was great work considering the bind he was in.

 

[Stephen]

Unproven is still much better than the guy who's proven not to be very good and lost one of his stars for nothing and traded the other one for a loss

To be fair to Teliving I don’t think he would have had the full authority to move Tkachuk or Gaudreau on a whim at the trade deadline in the midst of contending last year. That’s not necessarily a GM level decision.

A lot of big star big contract moves aren’t at the GM level. Think of Doug Armstrong himself who had to let Petro go because Blues ownerships don’t do fancy bonus and contracts.

 

[andora]

The thing is I don't expect this org to promote Pridham to gm. I never said Dubas wasn't a mess, I just think he is currently the best mess available. I'm expecting whoever they hire to make little to no changes, run back the core 4, and just go out early again in the playoffs. I hope I'm completely wrong but I have very little faith that this org will make a smart decision with the gm.

Like I mean just look at this tire fire of a week. You have confidence in this group to make a smart decision?

Tirefire - referencing dubas going? Or is there other stuff burning your britches

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

To be fair to Teliving I don’t think he would have had the full authority to move Tkachuk or Gaudreau on a whim at the trade deadline in the midst of contending last year. That’s not necessarily a GM level decision.

A lot of big star big contract moves aren’t at the GM level. Think of Doug Armstrong himself who had to let Petro go because Blues ownerships don’t do fancy bonus and contracts.

Fair enough, but then you're looking at other factors that matter so much more than the GM's experience level.

I think we can all agree that if there's a GM candidate who's experienced and proven to know how to win they'd be an absolute no brainer to hire. I just don't understand why anyone would want someone who's shown that they can't win and make frequent bad moves just because they have experience. We may as well have just kept Dubas if all we wanted was a guy who's shown they can't get results

 

[BayStBullies]

So the usual crowd are lining up to shit on (insert new GM) so they can bitch for many more years, as usual? This place gets old fast.

 

[Stephen]

Ironically? Two of the better Treliving deals would have been somewhat beneficial to the Leags. First, the rumoured Tkachuk for Marner. Win win. And Kadri for Brodie and Jankowski, which would have short circuited Colorado and the Barrie fiasco.

 

[Stephen]

Fair enough, but then you're looking at other factors that matter so much more than the GM's experience level.

I think we can all agree that if there's a GM candidate who's experienced and proven to know how to win they'd be an absolute no brainer to hire. I just don't understand why anyone would want someone who's shown that they can't win and make frequent bad moves just because they have experience. We may as well have just kept Dubas if all we wanted was a guy who's shown they can't get results

Treliving isn’t my guy. But if you need a veteran hand who can work in an org structure with a director type president in Shanahan and a group of support like Pridham and Clark, he might be a serviceable stop gap without the ego.

 

[KMNRB]

Marner had 3 hits in a playoff game once. That’s something, I guess.

He actually had 7 hits in Game 5 against Florida.

Though the hits probably hardly struck fear into anyone.

 

[thewave]

So the usual crowd are lining up to shit on (insert new GM) so they can bitch for many more years, as usual? This place gets old fast.

No. We are lining up against a certain GM that doesn't seem to have a very good track record. Just like we lined up against Dubas that has no track record or exceptional qualities. Pridham seems to get a pass because we know he was brought in by TimmyL because he indeed has exceptional qualities when it comes to cap management and cap strategy.

Hope this helps

 

[RoadWarrior]

Bergevin and Treliving have almost an identical track record. They were both GM's of Canadian markets for around 9 seasons. Treliving has 5 playoff seasons, Bergevin has 6. Treliving has 2 series wins, Bergevin has 7 series wins. Why should Treliving start with the edge?

Bergevin also had an elite hall of fame goaltender so you have to handicap his record. On top of that he made some dreadful trades like Sergachev for Drouin.

 

[andora]

Like how is someone like this at the top of your job search

Name your contenders

 

[thewave]

Bergevin also had an elite hall of fame goaltender so you have to handicap his record. On top of that he made some dreadful trades like Sergachev for Drouin.

McPhee is the guy to get if possible. There is another but I am going to hold it back until I hear more.

 

[ACC1224]

So the usual crowd are lining up to shit on (insert new GM) so they can bitch for many more years, as usual? This place gets old fast.

At least the crowd constantly putting down Lou Lam to prop up Dubas will need to find new material.
That should be interesting, no doubt the D.D.L. is in shambles right now.

 

[andora]

Although there is some hilarity to the truth of your post, I am not sure I can blame that entirely on Brad. The City of Calgary is never going to be a premier destination for US players. You add in the fact that they didn't even have an arena deal in place when those players left, it's really no shock that they left.

Brad was the GM in Calgary for almost 10 years. Kind of crazy it has been that long. He did a lot of good things, and a lot of bad things in that time. Similar to Dubas in Toronto.

I am not trying to suggest he is an ideal candidate by any stretch. But he is far from the worst. What irritates me is that Brad is seemingly the clubhouse leader in a search that Shanahan was quoted as saying will be "thoughtful and thorough". He is the first person that has been rumored to even get an interview....

It just kind of reinforces my belief that this was very clearly a shoot from the hip decision that was based entirely on emotion rather than logic. Shanny had no backup plan, and realized only after he notified Kyle that he'd not be returning that he needs a GM ASAP as he is heading into one of the busiest off-season's in team history. This "thoughtful and thorough" search he spoke of, was never going to be possible with the amount of work that needed to get done in the timeline it needed to occur by.

We went from a very well run organization to chaos in a matter of 1 week. Extremely upsetting TBH.

But onward and upward. Fingers crossed we can get some form of direction here in the near future.

I dont understand how one event can change how an organization is run

If it is well run it continues to run regardless of event until things are sorted

If it doesnt run well it wasnt running well when event occurred and continues to not run well while things are sorted

How does one event really do that

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Treliving isn’t my guy. But if you need a veteran hand who can work in an org structure with a director type president in Shanahan and a group of support like Pridham and Clark, he might be a serviceable stop gap without the ego.

They could certainly do a lot worse, but I think the bar should be higher than that. This might be the most important decision Shanahan ever makes, he needs to get the best person for the job and knock it out of the park. Looking like the first name linked to the Leafs is now heavily favoured to get the job doesn't really bode well for me, but that's what happens when you have to scramble without a backup plan

 

[The Iceman]

I try and stay neutral on some of this dtuff but what pisses me off about the foligno trade is failing to identify Noesen as an effective player

Carolina only dressed Noesen for 2 games last year.
He is 30 years old, I wouldn't lose any sleep over this player.

The guy we showed no interest in and I was surprised was Ben Hutton.
I thought he played well in his very limited opportunity with Toronto. 6'3" every day.

Martinook was on waivers this year...now that too is a player that would have been useful.

Lots of useful players for creative GMs.

 

[andora]

Carolina only dressed Noesen for 2 games last year.
He is 30 years old, I wouldn't lose any sleep over this player.

The guy we showed no interest in and I was surprised was Ben Hutton.
I thought he played well in his very limited opportunity with Toronto. 6'3" every day.

Martinook was on waivers this year...now that too is a player that would have been useful.

Lots of useful players for creative GMs.

Agree on the others but so what if noesen is 30.. he is useful until the next one..

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I'm not a Treliving fan either but those of you that are upset that we may not hire Tulsky is hilarious. So you want an unproven inexperienced manager to lead us through a period where we need to sign some of our stars. Hmmm, sounds like the time we hired Dubas and we know how that turned out. Open the bank for players who have earned squat and cap strap us for 5 years.

Very true...and why is everyone assuming that the Canes are good because of Tulsky? Is he not just the assistant to an actual GM? Maybe the GM is the guy who takes what Tulsky says and then adds his own spin on things....Such as going for bigger players even is the analytics don't favor them in the spread sheet. Who really knows?

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Pridham is a bean counter, i would rather have him running spreadsheets and spitting out pivot tables. Bean counters i know generally lack the social skills needed for a position like the GM of the Leafs.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don't buy it - we'll see.

 

[mydnyte]

Adam Fox

and how is he doing in Calgary's lineup?

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Very true...and why is everyone assuming that the Canes are good because of Tulsky? Is he not just the assistant to an actual GM? Maybe the GM is the guy who takes what Tulsky says and then adds his own spin on things....Such as going for bigger players even is the analytics don't favor them in the spread sheet. Who really knows?

From my understanding from all the reporting done, the Canes have implemented a strict structure and formula that imposed on the management team from the owner. Their success is predicated on policy and procedure, not so much the creativity of a GM.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

And other than Rielly, the D provides no offence whatsoever

That part always bugged me. I hated seeing Brodie and Holl behind the other teams net so often...It's like they had the same green light that Mo has except none of the offensive upside...just high-risk low-reward all the time. Even McCabe played like shit in the 2nd series because Keefe said he wanted to see more offense from him. He changed his style and started pinching (not very well) and taking chances along with stopping his hitting. It was a typical Keefe move. He couldn't be satisfied that you had a good shut down pair..nope..he wanted the risk taking.