GDT: Leafs @ Senators | Jan 15 | Part 2

[stickty111]

Yea, well, team D does not get the benefit of the doubt from me. They have never had a good defensive team here.

Our defence is decently better then our starting goalie.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Have the sens had one legit scoring chance that hasn't gone in the net yet.

They had a few non-scoring chances almost end up in the net thanks to Fred, in addition to the goals he couldn't stop.

I'd like to argue with you......but I can't.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

They weren’t all stoppable. Certainly not easily stoppable. Watson from the slot off the bar?

Murray made the exact same save this game off a more dangerous player than f***inh Austin Watson.

 

[Burnie97]

I agree that the leafs have been the better team. But I disagree goaltending has been the difference.

The leafs missed the net entirely on most of their high danger chances, and don't even get a shot at all on their 2 on 1's.

At some point it's as much a "lack of finish" problem as much as a goaltending problem.

Yeah its both this game. They've played better than the score indicates but those are two of the bigger problems.

 

[LastOne2100]

i never said we need the refs to bail us out. Just makes no sense

I mean we haven't gotten favorable whistles for years. I'm not sure why you're surprised.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Yeah allow 4 goals, including 2 questionable ones, but he was better.
If that's being a better goalie, we are in trouble.

Both goalies did not have a good game, your right there. Early in the season so that is expected. From my other post:

He made big saves after he let in a bad 4th goal and made the saves when it mattered most in OT, something Price wasn't able to do

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Leafs really need to lose the marner, Tavares, and andersen contracts. Reallocate that money for a better goalie, a solid number 2 d and a number 2 c who's contract won't cripple us in a few years. Enough is enough.

 

[HockeyVirus]

did Nick f***ing Paul beat Freddy clean while team defense had taken away his chances and made it hard for opposition to control play in the defensive zone?

So the standard is be perfect defensively or it's on the goalie? EVERY team in the league makes mistakes on D. Good teams have goalies who cover for those mistakes. Freddy at one point was that guy. Now he is not any different than any other system goalie available for 2-3 million cheaper.

 

[LastOne2100]

What is the over under on whether the Leafs have a more embarrassing game this year than last year's Zamboni driver game?

 

[Cor]

 

[Confucius]

LMAO

Matthews scores oh what a shot no chance

- someone scores on us, Freddy bashers out in numbers (mostly Dubas fans)

its a freakin' shame

and.... go ahead go find a goalie that is going to stand on his head while team defense is a joke for majority of the season and in the playoffs for the available cap space that to the same moronic gm LOL

He hasn't looked good , have you ever seen an NHL goalie flopping around not knowing where the puck is.

 

[zeke]

did Nick f***ing Paul beat Freddy clean while team defense had taken away his chances and made it hard for opposition to control play in the defensive zone?

Yeah Fred isn't good.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Ok Keefe hopefully you raised hell with this team in the intermission. Highly doubt it

Eh we'll see it's been *checks watch* 48 hours since the Leafs last had a comeback win...so I'm not sure that's a fair line of attack. I won't be surprised if they come back and win but they're a frustrating team right now.

 

[PromisedLand]

So the standard is be perfect defensively or it's on the goalie? EVERY team in the league makes mistakes on D. Good teams have goalies who cover for those mistakes. Freddy at one point was that guy. Now he is not any different than any other system goalie available for 2-3 million cheaper.

No standard is don't get outworked by opposition and rely on the goalie to bail you out

 

[Wendelstache]

took Zaitsev 2 periods to get 2 points...
Took him 82+ games on the Leafs.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Leafs really need to lose the marner, Tavares, and andersen contracts. Reallocate that money for a better goalie, a solid number 2 d and a number 2 c who's contract won't cripple us in a few years. Enough is enough.

Tavares has a ntc and chose to come back to his home city. He's not going anywhere. It's impossible.

 

[ottomaddox]

Just for all the people who think Ottawa has dominated, they haven't they have converted.

xGF
Tor - 57.15%
Ott - 42.85%

All that matter is the score. You don't get a W (2 points) for the most / best possession numbers.

This is hockey. Fluke things can happen. You can't take bench minors, play with no life, and try to pass the puck in the net for a win.

 

[Cleetus]

Our defence is decently better then our starting goalie.

yea not by much, effort is just as bad...

 

[zeke]

57.7xgf% EV, 60.0xgf% ALL

and it was much better than that before Fred shat the bed and let in a bunch of crap goals.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Relax ray, Brodie is not even on the list of players that need to step it up this game

 

[Marshy]

If I'm Keefe I'm going to Crappy Tire tomorrow and buying a metal trash can and some spray paint. I spray one word on it in all Caps: EFFORT. It gets its own stall. Every loss where we get outworked it gets bounced off all 4 walls in the dressing room.

 

[Leafy Undergrowth]

"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

 

[IrishInOntario]

Anderson
Marner
Matthews

They need to be the difference in the third, via production. They haven't been through 5 periods this season. 27.5 million reasons why this is their time.

 

[The Beyonder]

Now what does the "Give A Shit O'Meter" say?

 

[keonsbitterness]

Leafs really need to lose the marner, Tavares, and andersen contracts. Reallocate that money for a better goalie, a solid number 2 d and a number 2 c who's contract won't cripple us in a few years. Enough is enough.

Andersen, maybe. The other two aren't happening,

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Okay, well he hasn't today. And it's becoming something that KEEPS happening.

There's literal data to back it up.

He hasn't had a good game, but the entire team has also hasnt been good since they went ahead. Blaming everything on 1 player doesn't make sense and is a cop out.

Data to back what up exactly? It is definitely very hard to isolate a goalie impact as defensive coverage contribute so much into the chances faced.