There's a quantifiable difference. The current NHL has well over twice as many graduates from the OHL than the QMJHL from a league with only 2 more teams.
Prospect Info: Leafs Pick #125 - Dmytro Timashov - LW/RW - UKR 5' 9" 192 QMJHL
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There's a quantifiable difference. The current NHL has well over twice as many graduates from the OHL than the QMJHL from a league with only 2 more teams.
SergeConstantin74
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Actually, they're about the same in scoring. Last year, Q teams scored an average of 239 goals and OHL teams 238.
The difference between the Q and the other two leagues isn't as big as people make it out to be. There's more to it than just how many players make it to pro. When they play other leagues, the Q teams haved done well. Of course, the Q doesn't have as much depth because of a much smaller recruiting pool but it still produces good players.
In the past 10 years, the Q has won 4 Mem Cups, OHL 3 and WHL 3.
The biggest differences according to players who have played both OHL and QMJHL are more grit in the OHL but it's way faster in the Q.
As for Garland, he isn't really a surprise but his size is a big downer for NHL teams. Let's remember he had similar stats to Eichel at 15 on the same team. http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=6058&year0=2012&status=stats
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Wafflewhipper
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Timashov with 2g and 3assists tonight. First star, 3rd in Q scoring now. These prospects phew. I'm almost gloating.
taurine330
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I think unfortunately the gap is substantial, especially in terms of depth of elite players.
Alltime Records at the Canada-Russia SuperSeries:
OHL: 20-3-1
WHL: 18-6-2
QMJHL: 13-8-3
A trend I've noticed happening for quite a while now: Quebec itself doesn't produce elite players like it used to. So often the best players coming out of the Q are European imports or Maritimers. Going back over the last 10 drafts, there have only been 5 born-and-raised Quebecers taken in the top-15.
I don't know what happened to the Quebec minor hockey system, but the bigtime franchise cornerstone type prospect hasn't really been there since Lecavalier in 1998 (well, Fleury maybe?).
Any insight on what's happened with minor hockey in Quebec over the last 15 or 20 years to account for the dip in production?
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and? what does Maritimers have to do with anything? The conversation(SC's post) was about how good the Q was. The last time I checked the Q has lots of maritimers.
I mean if someone wants to change the discussion to make it about how good Quebec is then fine(which arrbez mentioned), but the conversation was about the merits of the Q v. the O, and the Maritimers are a part of the Q.
Any insight on what's happened with minor hockey in Quebec over the last 15 or 20 years to account for the dip in production?
was the above not the question?
The population of Ontario has been rising much faster than Quebec. Right now Ontario has about 1.65 times the population of Quebec. Back in 1951 Ontario was only 15% more populated than Quebec. Over the years most provinces have been growing in population faster than Quebec and therefore just have more people to draw from.
From what I've heard from friends in Quebec, soccer is becoming very popular there. A lot of kids that might have played hockey if they were born 10 years earlier are now choosing soccer.
Luckily for the Q, the Atlantic provinces have been producing an ever increasing number of talented players ever since the Q expansion to the east in the mid 90s.
Anyway, back to Timashov. He's right some friggin good, as we say here in Atlantic Canada.
Luckily for the Q, the Atlantic provinces have been producing an ever increasing number of talented players ever since the Q expansion to the east in the mid 90s.
Anyway, back to Timashov. He's right some friggin good, as we say here in Atlantic Canada.
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Garland's stat line is absolutely mind-boggling, but I'd still take Timashov. He's a few inches taller and much better built. I haven't seen Garland play much but I think Tima's game will translate better at higher levels given his physique.
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Kids doing other sports.
We can see that, as an example, with football (the Quebec CIS division being the most competitive) and some individual sports (like Quebec's dominance on short track speed skating).
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Canada4Gold
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yes but highslot who replied with crosby, and mac was clearly refering to the line of discussion about the merits of the Q v. the O which was the intial part of the conversation which arrbez then morphed into a question about what's happening to quebec hockey, the highslot reply was about the beginning(about the Q v. O) and not the end(about the state of quebec hockey).
At least I assume it was, most people on here know they're from Cole Harbour, and the names don't sound french. Not that they have to be french to be from quebec but most are.
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I think we've seen a lot of QMJHLers fall into the draft because of the bias against the league. As an example, Duclair and Sprong have played as underagers and they should have been first rounders but they fell in the Draft.
Like I said before, the Q doesn't have as much depth as the OHL but the difference isn't really there when you play 1st line against 1st line. The difference is more 3rd line vs 3rd line and 4th line vs 4th line.
When you look at tonight's game, Timashov played against the line of Beauvillier and Yan. Both are 1st and 2nd rounders in the NHL. He was also playing against defenseman Samuel Girard who might become a NHL 1st rounder next June. He wasn't playing against some scrubs who wouldn't have made it in the OHL. 4 of his 5 points he was playing against them. Should his 5 points night be less impressive because he did it in the Q?
Like I said before, the Q doesn't have as much depth as the OHL but the difference isn't really there when you play 1st line against 1st line. The difference is more 3rd line vs 3rd line and 4th line vs 4th line.
When you look at tonight's game, Timashov played against the line of Beauvillier and Yan. Both are 1st and 2nd rounders in the NHL. He was also playing against defenseman Samuel Girard who might become a NHL 1st rounder next June. He wasn't playing against some scrubs who wouldn't have made it in the OHL. 4 of his 5 points he was playing against them. Should his 5 points night be less impressive because he did it in the Q?
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SergeConstantin74
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That series is the worst example. QMJHL has played the first 2 games 10 years in a row.
And Team Canada always make bad invites for the Q. In the past, they've left off some of the best players in the league because they didn't have a "name".
When you look at it, out of the best 40 players in points in the QMJHL, there are 20 players who were SuperSeries eligible. Half of the 20 weren't invited to the SuperSeries, including the first two.
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Serge makes some pretty sound arguments and I'm honestly convinced. The Q hasn't been the same high scoring league that had inflated scoring stats that it was a decade ago.
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Nic brouillard (sp?) is putting up insane totals for a defenseman and the team itself is playing an offense-first brand of hockey (top 5 in GF and dead last in GA). Timashov has done wonders for his teammates production... 20 y.o Beaton and Murphy are having MUCH better seasons than they did as 19 y.o.
Strictly looking at Duclair's stat line it looks very unimpressive before being drafted. He had an excellent rookie season but then his point production dipped to below a Point/game. An undersized forward who is scoring at less than a point/game very rarely is taken in the 1st round. Gauthier had more points than Duclair and most people look at Gauthiers point totals in his draft year and say that he obviously had no offensive talent given those numbers.
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