Prospect Info: Leafs Pick #125 - Dmytro Timashov - LW/RW - UKR 5' 9" 192 QMJHL

[BigWilly]

LOL @ ppl shocked that he drafted so low...I'm not saying he is a bad player. Ed Belfour wasn't even drafted. Reimer was a late pick...

Both are goalies

 

[Leafs at Knight]

LOL @ ppl shocked that he drafted so low...I'm not saying he is a bad player. Ed Belfour wasn't even drafted. Reimer was a late pick...

I learnt nothing from this post.

 

[zeke]

Underlined: **** no.

Guys with 1.65-1.75 ppg in Q as a 19 yo +/- 6mo:

• Keven Veilleux
• Patrice Cormier
• Joel Champaign
• Mathieu Benoit
• Mikhail Grigorenko
• Jean-Gabriel Pageau
• Nikita Kucherov
• Alexandre Giroux
• Dmitri Afanasenkov
• Jean-Pierre Dumont
• Stephane Veilleux
• Joel Perrault
• Eric Daze
• Stanislav Lascek
• Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau
• Alexei Shkotov

Some decent players, there, and I re-iterate as I have earlier when commenting on this pick that it is a fantastic pick for #125, but the Marner comps are nearly uniformly all-stars in the NHL.

Marner put up 2ppg over a complete season a year younger in a lower scoring league.

since he's at 1.75ppg now, what happens if you adjust your range to 1.70-1.80?

and what is your age cutoff date?

and maybe keep it to last 10yrs.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think Timashov's hype also comes from his really good training camp with the Leafs. I think he played the most games of any other 2015 prospect I believe and just as much as Marner (my memory is a little bad). Either way, he was a strong stand out and newly drafted 5th round picks do not do that in training camps as 18 year old players.

 

[WilliamNylander]

Do you mean in terms of impact? They're polar opposites in playing style

wasn't that pretty obvious?

 

[Jack Bauer]

LOL @ ppl shocked that he drafted so low...I'm not saying he is a bad player. Ed Belfour wasn't even drafted. Reimer was a late pick...

We'd be drooling over a Connor Garland if we drafted him as well.

There's a reason all these small offensive forwards fall in the draft. They're not all going to make it....

 

[SprDaVE]

We'd be drooling over a Connor Garland if we drafted him as well.

There's a reason all these small offensive forwards fall in the draft. They're not all going to make it....

Big players also fall in the draft. Not all of them make it.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Big players also fall in the draft. Not all of them make it.

Big players who put up numbers like Garland don't fall to the 5th round.

But yes, big players can also bust.

% wise the bigger players have a better shot at succeeding overall though. That's why big projects tend to go before small scorers in terms of the overall picture.

 

[deletethis]

He's one of several really promising picks from the 2015 draft. But comparisons to Marner at this point are invalid. If we're going to play the point comparison game without recognizing the observable ability advantages that Marner has over him, at the very least we should also factor in the competition level difference between the OHL and the QMJHL.

 

[TheProspector]

since he's at 1.75ppg now, what happens if you adjust your range to 1.70-1.80?

and what is your age cutoff date?

and maybe keep it to last 10yrs.

 

[RyanOhReally]

We'd be drooling over a Connor Garland if we drafted him as well.

There's a reason all these small offensive forwards fall in the draft. They're not all going to make it....

People forget Garland's a year older. He also plays less defence than Tima, and that's saying something.

 

[TheProspector]

People forget Garland's a year older. He also plays less defence than Tima, and that's saying something.

Garland is 7 months older. Meaningful, but not quite a year. People should be absolutely drooling over Garland. He may end up being a better pick than Timashov. The fact that both of them went in the 5th round of the same draft may look really poorly upon NHL scouting staffs...

 

[RyanOhReally]

Garland is 7 months older. Meaningful, but not quite a year. People should be absolutely drooling over Garland. He may end up being a better pick than Timashov. The fact that both of them went in the 5th round of the same draft may look really poorly upon NHL scouting staffs...

Oh don't get me wrong, Garland produces ridiculous numbers to the point where it's hard to think he went undrafted and then just the 5th, I'd just rather have Tima. Didn't Garland get dropped on his head at the beginning of this season?

 

[BigWilly]

wasn't that pretty obvious?

No.. It wasn't.

 

[zeke]

thank you muchly!

NHL careers:

C.Giroux (#22 '06): 518gms, 74pt pace, 93pt peak, 99pt pace peak
E.Daze (#90 '93): 601gms, 54pt pace, 70pt peak, 70pt pace peak
J.Dumont (#3 '96): 822gms, 52pt pace, 72pt peak, 74pt pace peak
P.Parenteau (#264 '01): 369gms, 52pt pace, 67pt peak, 74pt pace peak
M.Perreault (#177 '06): 313gms, 44pt pace, 43pt peak, 54pt pace peak
A.Bourret (#16 '05): ---
D.Roussin (#50 '05): ---

70% odds to become a 2nd liner, 15% to become a star? i'll take it!

 

[TheProspector]

thank you muchly!

NHL careers:

C.Giroux (#22 '06): 518gms, 74pt pace, 93pt peak, 99pt pace peak
E.Daze (#90 '93): 601gms, 54pt pace, 70pt peak, 70pt pace peak
J.Dumont (#3 '96): 822gms, 52pt pace, 72pt peak, 74pt pace peak
P.Parenteau (#264 '01): 369gms, 52pt pace, 67pt peak, 74pt pace peak
M.Perreault (#177 '06): 313gms, 44pt pace, 43pt peak, 54pt pace peak
A.Bourret (#16 '05): ---
D.Roussin (#50 '05): ---

70% odds to become a 2nd liner, 15% to become a star? i'll take it!

Truly.

 

[nsleaf]

He's one of several really promising picks from the 2015 draft. But comparisons to Marner at this point are invalid. If we're going to play the point comparison game without recognizing the observable ability advantages that Marner has over him, at the very least we should also factor in the competition level difference between the OHL and the QMJHL.

IMO the competition level difference is negligible, so not a factor but agree he is certainly not the player Marner is.

 

[Gabriel426]

thank you muchly!

NHL careers:

C.Giroux (#22 '06): 518gms, 74pt pace, 93pt peak, 99pt pace peak
E.Daze (#90 '93): 601gms, 54pt pace, 70pt peak, 70pt pace peak
J.Dumont (#3 '96): 822gms, 52pt pace, 72pt peak, 74pt pace peak
P.Parenteau (#264 '01): 369gms, 52pt pace, 67pt peak, 74pt pace peak
M.Perreault (#177 '06): 313gms, 44pt pace, 43pt peak, 54pt pace peak
A.Bourret (#16 '05): ---
D.Roussin (#50 '05): ---

70% odds to become a 2nd liner, 15% to become a star? i'll take it!

Those are great returns for a 5th rounder.

 

[91Kadri91*]

thank you muchly!

NHL careers:

C.Giroux (#22 '06): 518gms, 74pt pace, 93pt peak, 99pt pace peak
E.Daze (#90 '93): 601gms, 54pt pace, 70pt peak, 70pt pace peak
J.Dumont (#3 '96): 822gms, 52pt pace, 72pt peak, 74pt pace peak
P.Parenteau (#264 '01): 369gms, 52pt pace, 67pt peak, 74pt pace peak
M.Perreault (#177 '06): 313gms, 44pt pace, 43pt peak, 54pt pace peak
A.Bourret (#16 '05): ---
D.Roussin (#50 '05): ---

70% odds to become a 2nd liner, 15% to become a star? i'll take it!

And Perreault is one of the most un(der)appreciated players in the the NHL.

 

[crump]

Limited viewings (6 games or so) but he has been very strong every time I've seen him. One of the best rookies at camp. Plays beyond his years. Maybe the hockey Gods can let us have a few from this draft be actual steals.

 

[Jack Bauer]

People forget Garland's a year older. He also plays less defence than Tima, and that's saying something.

In terms of junior hockey they're the same age, both playing as 19yr olds this season.

 

[Menzinger]

Big players who put up numbers like Garland don't fall to the 5th round.

But yes, big players can also bust.

% wise the bigger players have a better shot at succeeding overall though. That's why big projects tend to go before small scorers in terms of the overall picture.

Do you have any numbers that back that up? Not challenging/calling you out - it's just that I understand this to be the the general assumption (ie bigger players having an easier time making the NHl) but I've never come across a study/article that shows this to be the case so I'm curious.

 

[RoadWarrior]

He's one of several really promising picks from the 2015 draft. But comparisons to Marner at this point are invalid. If we're going to play the point comparison game without recognizing the observable ability advantages that Marner has over him, at the very least we should also factor in the competition level difference between the OHL and the QMJHL.

Please list the "observable ability advantages" that Marner has over Timashov.

I'm a big Marner fan but I'm not foolish enough to think that Marner is 121 players ahead of him in terms of talent. Timashov is a first round talent that slipped to the 5th round.

The only substantive advantage Marner has over him is in his defensive awareness. However unlike ability defensive awareness can be taught.

The OHL is not substantially better than the QMJHL and Marner would be putting up similar point totals in the Q.

 

[burpsalot]

I have seen multiple people assume that he might not make the WJC team because the coach didn't watch him play.

But the truth is that the coach is very high on him and he is likely a lock. I can't remember my source but go google it.

Maybe your source is google.

 

[bigdirty]

I don't get why people say the coach didn't watch him play. Timashov was at Sweden's WJC evaluation camp this summer. I'm going to guess the coach was also there.