Leafs Offseason: Alot of big decisions, 17 key ones [Dubas(gone), Matthews, Marner, Nylander are biggies]

[stealth1]

No, the next and much bigger mistake would be letting him go now. Hopefully MLSE knows better than to do that.

He's made too many bad decisions. The main one is paying Matthews and Marner all that money without actually winning anything. His moves in regards to trades have been bad. Two worst trades are Sandin for Gustavsson, who barely played in the playoffs. Trading for Murray was stupid. Most fans knew it was a mistake. Looks even worse now that the last 2 playoff games he was healthy and they started a rookie over him.

According to you Murray was supposed to take them all the way. His analytics said so.

 

[centipede2233]

Matthews and Marner will be chasing heavy raises once their deals are up. Neither of them is worth top dollar IMO.

If Matthews has no intention of being on the team long term, trade him. If he wants to stay but insists on league max, MLSE would be crazy to keep him. What if his wrist is messed for good? Management shouldn't take the risk.

There's always an excuse when these guys don't show. Their lackadaisical attitudes are difficult to take. This team needs a Matthew Tkachuk or Nathan MacKinnon, a player who puts it all on the line when the time comes.

what wins cups is heart and determination with some sort of grit, marner, nylander and matthews have none of those things. Move on from them

 

[Sypher04]

He's made too many bad decisions. The main one is paying Matthews and Marner all that money without actually winning anything. His moves in regards to trades have been bad. Two worst trades are Sandin for Gustavsson, who barely played in the playoffs. Trading for Murray was stupid. Most fans knew it was a mistake. Looks even worse now that the last 2 playoff games he was healthy and they started a rookie over him.

According to you Murray was supposed to take them all the way. His analytics said so.

Dubas is far from perfect, every GM has a list of mistakes one can point to.

A few things however:

Seems pretty clear that Sandin either requested a trade OR had an understanding when he signed his latest deal that if he wasn’t going to be a regular, which he clearly wasn’t after acquiring McCabe & Schenn (needed acquisitions) we’d move him. Either that or there was some kind of behind the scenes dysfunction with the player that we don’t see. Otherwise there’s no reason for Dubas to make that deal at the price Sandin cost on our cap - and being one of his guys. Also, the return was Gustafsson & a 1st

Murray was a bad call. Risk/reward play that did not pan out. Hardly fireable offense however when Samsonov and Woll played so well this year. The trick will be seeing how we move away from Murray this summer.

As for the big 3 RFA contracts. Most star calibre players get their big deals before winning, so I don’t really see that as a valid criticism. We can and have argued to no end here about individual salary numbers and wherever they were good deals, fair deals, deals grown into etc, but there was never any questions those 3 would get paid big money when they were up for their 2nd deals

 

[kevsh]

So you would rather Dubas buy in to something that goes against his vision and has arrogantly shoved down the fans' throat for 5 seasons rather than simply hiring a GM that believes in said vision. Sorry, not gonna work. A leopard does not change his spots. Punt him.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, this was what I expect will happen not what I would like to see.

Personally, I'd fire Shanahan, Dubas and Keefe and bring in someone at the top that makes it clear that losing will not be tolerated.

And as far as the players, I'm not going to go into every possibility because there's so much in the air (is Auston even willing to send an extension, for one). But the new GM will have a LOT to deal with literally on day one, so the expectations of even one of the core four being moved this summer (or more likely before July 1) should be kept in check.

Which leads me back to my original belief (not wish): That MLSE has already agreed to bring Dubas back, in part because it will make dealing with AM and Willie's contract much more straight-forward than dumping all of that on a new GM who will also have a draft to prepare for, a half-dozen UFAs and few RFAs on the books, all in the next,~7 weeks? That's a tall order.

 

[ToneDog]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, this was what I expect will happen not what I would like to see.

Personally, I'd fire Shanahan, Dubas and Keefe and bring in someone at the top that makes it clear that losing will not be tolerated.

And as far as the players, I'm not going to go into every possibility because there's so much in the air (is Auston even willing to send an extension, for one). But the new GM will have a LOT to deal with literally on day one, so the expectations of even one of the core four being moved this summer (or more likely before July 1) should be kept in check.

Which leads me back to my original belief (not wish): That MLSE has already agreed to bring Dubas back, in part because it will make dealing with AM and Willie's contract much more straight-forward than dumping all of that on a new GM who will also have a draft to prepare for, a half-dozen UFAs and few RFAs on the books, all in the next,~7 weeks? That's a tall order.

Let's hope the legwork has been in progress for some time. I mean these senior execs don't need to be rocket scientists to have planned for multiple scenarios. Here's hoping and they let everybody know the fates of the 3 stooges early this week.

 

[3blizzard4]

My gut tells me Dubas is coming back and so is Keefe.

In a city like Toronto and the circumstances surrounding the contract situation of Dubas and no media has an inkling of whats going on tells me he is coming back.

If he wasn't there would surely be word of a potential candidate. No names are out there.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

=== No movement clauses kick in July 1, 2023.===
Matthews, Auston "A" $11,640,250
Marner, Mitchell "A" $10,903,000 - 2 UFA years.
=== M-NTC kicks in July 1, 2023.===
Nylander, William $6,962,366

Actually, what is obvious is that one of these three have to go.

The question is which one ?

I think Matthews goes this summer.
He 100% has to be traded if he won't sign by July 1, 2023

Dubas is coming back and so is Keefe.

Keefe is a lock - he's under contract.
Dubas needs to be signed ASAP.

Trading Matthews is a 100% MUST if he won't extend by July 1, 2023.

Same goes for Marner and Matthews.

one of them has to go. I think Matthews wont resign and he is dealt.

 

[centipede2233]

My gut tells me Dubas is coming back and so is Keefe.

In a city like Toronto and the circumstances surrounding the contract situation of Dubas and no media has an inkling of whats going on tells me he is coming back.

If he wasn't there would surely be word of a potential candidate. No names are out there.

I think it’s the likely outcome, however everyone should have been fired after the Montreal series. But MLSE will MLSE….it’s their team, they can have which ever incompetence they want.
I do wonder, whoever votes on presidents and GM’s, do they stop for a minute and think, “man, we really suck at hiring management…it’s one after another failed management team.

 

[Stand Witness]

Wtf is this. We're only trading Marner if names like Adam Fox, Stutzle, Tkachuk etc are coming back

I completely disgree. The core 4 is being broken up, so “were only trading” is irrelevant.

And no, its always a package. Its not 1 for 1. Blue chip young roster player + middle six forward (center) + a pick has basically been the baseline for a star player move.

We aren’t winning a Marner trade. And thats fine, we aren’t winning as it stands anyways.

Expect that.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He's made too many bad decisions. The main one is paying Matthews and Marner all that money without actually winning anything. His moves in regards to trades have been bad. Two worst trades are Sandin for Gustavsson, who barely played in the playoffs. Trading for Murray was stupid. Most fans knew it was a mistake. Looks even worse now that the last 2 playoff games he was healthy and they started a rookie over him.

Every GM makes mistakes, and every GM does things that turn out badly in hindsight, even if they were good decisions at the time. Dubas, overall, has brought way more positive than negative, and there has been solid reasoning behind most of his moves.

You've also poorly represented some of the things he's done here. Keeping Matthews and Marner was certainly not one of his mistakes, and his trades have generally been pretty good. The trade wasn't Sandin for Gustafsson. The trade was Sandin for Gustafsson and a 1st. Not sure why you'd leave out the main part of the return. You're also only noting part of the goalie equation. The goaltending overall ended up pretty good. If you're going to blast a GM when a goalie - the most unpredictable thing in the game - doesn't work out as planned, you can't then ignore when a goalie does work out and exceed expectations.

I'm not sure that I fully agree with the decision to go with Woll over a healthy Murray in critical playoff games, since Murray has thrived in those kind of situations, but you also have to consider that Murray hadn't played in a while and Woll did have an excellent year and is probably a bigger part of the future that could benefit from playoff experience than somebody like Murray. I can see the argument for both sides.

According to you Murray was supposed to take them all the way. His analytics said so.

That's not true. I never said that, and analytics don't make those kind of declarations. They just show what's happened.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I think it comes down to this:

of Matthews, Nylander, Marner .... one has to go.

You have to trade (and I mean have to) all of them who won't resign by July 1, 2023.

The big question is: who wants to stay ?

 

[ToneDog]

I think it comes down to this:

of Matthews, Nylander, Marner .... one has to go.

You have to trade (and I mean have to) all of them who won't resign by July 1, 2023.

The big question is: who wants to stay ?

You can't sign Marner until July 1, 2024.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

You can't sign Marner until July 1, 2024.

So if I dont trade him by July 1, 2023, he's got me by the balls with a full No Movement Clause ?

If so, I'm trading him.

Dubas really handcuffed himself here.

 

[centipede2233]

So if I dont trade him by July 1, 2023, he's got me by the balls with a full No Movement Clause ?

If so, I'm trading him.

Dubas really handcuffed himself here.

Or handcuffed the next gm lol

 

[ToneDog]

So if I dont trade him by July 1, 2023, he's got me by the balls with a full No Movement Clause ?

If so, I'm trading him.

Dubas really handcuffed himself here.

Yup. On a positive note only owed 775k after July 1st bonus is paid out. Wonder how MLSEL feels when they pay out $25m in bonuses on July 1st to these annual choke artists.

Marner

Matthews

Nylander

Tavares

July 1, 2018 - Let's give everybody a NMC the last two years of JT's contract as a reward for the SCs they are going to win for us.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Marner needs to go then. It's totally unacceptable for him to potentially leave with no assets coming back.

I predict he is GONE.

Maybe Matthews as well.

 

[BallardEra]

 

[PromisedLand]

Frack on a Fracker....

 

[myleafs]

and leave his boy Keefe ?

DOUBT it.

That would be an interesting move.



I think they've already worked out a deal, but didn't want to announce it until it was politically correct (after the playoffs).

I think a new GM will have MAJOR problems making deals with Matthews, Marner and Nylander. letting Dubas go would be potentially triggering a rebuild.

Oh no not a rebuild after all the playoff success we have had with this group. You are basically saying run it back again and not only that you want Dubas to to be the one to handle it. sigh....i dont get it

Soft playmaker sure. Get a wing that will take a hit to make the play instead. Puck just needs to find Matthews stick. Now Matthews just need to commit to staying here, it's the only way. Not a good idea to let one of the best goal scorers of all time to just walk without an attempt to keep him.

Would Matthews stay if they got rid of the one guy he really likes to play with? Not sure he stays anyways but with Marner out would that entice Matthews or make it more likely he bolts?

 

[GardinerTheForward]

We will get an ottawa ownership announcement soon. Finals bids due 9am tomorrow

 

[joepeps]

just saw this on twitter

well if dubas is back am definitely out as a leafs fan

see ya....

 

[PromisedLand]

see ya....

disgusted that people will rather fail with dubas than succeed with someone else.

absolutely disgusted !

 

[Stand Witness]

I was speculating the following:

Shanahan gone.

Dubas to President, Wickenheiser to GM.

 

[LaPlante94]

Tbh unless that assistant GM from Carolina is coming here I don't really see an upgrade on Dubas.

 

[joepeps]

disgusted that people will rather fail with dubas than succeed with someone else.

absolutely disgusted !

What are you talking about... Keefe should be gone,, Dubas has done everything to put a good team on the ice... its up to the players... now the players cant do it so its up to Dubas to change the core 4.

Name a GM who would be better that is available? please go ahead.