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thusk said:
leafs can play a high offensive style like edmonton doing with mcdavid, get basically over 2 pts game playing that way, they will still lost if they dont have goalie making save like its the case since 3 years... Unstead to lose 3-2, they will lose 6-5 5-4 and yes they will get pretty great stats on paper... but the result will be the same at the end... NHL team in modern hockey are just too good to win with only 3-4 player whatever how good they are.

the problem in Edmonton its not how mcdavid and draisaitl playing, its when they dont carry the team on their shoulder they cant win the same way than when marner/marthews cant carry leafs on their shoulder they losing.

losing 7-3 by being all offensive mod all game long or get 1 assist in a 1-0 win where you completly shutdowm top offensive weapon.

Wich one do you consider like a good game played? probably the 7-3 loss if i take in consideration what you saying... personally i prefer the guy with 1 assist but who helpede the team in different way.
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1 goal scored and 10% of goal scored in a playoff series for your top 3 paid forwards/players are not good enough on any teams.
If this happened to the Bruins or any other teams, you will be laughing at them instead of defending them.
Also, when had I said anything about liking 7-3 loss? Stop building narratives in your head when someone disagrees with you.
Lastly, you do know we are talking about not one, not two but three players who combined for ONE goal in a playoffs series. For crying out loud, Lafferty, Kampf and Calle had as many goal scored in the series. We are not talking about just ONE guy who had a bad series or a bad game but THREE 10mil plus players who had a bad series at the same time. Two of them went goalless in a playoff series.

Maple Leaf said:
i thogt jones was the savior
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Thought that was Marner
 
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Gabriel426 said:
1 goal scored and 10% of goal scored in a playoff series for your top 3 paid forwards/players are not good enough on any teams.
If this happened to the Bruins or any other teams, you will be laughing at them instead of defending them.
Also, when had I said anything about liking 7-3 loss? Stop building narratives in your head when someone disagrees with you.
Lastly, you do know we are talking about not one, not two but three players who combined for ONE goal in a playoffs series. For crying out loud, Lafferty, Kampf and Calle had as many goal scored in the series. We are not talking about just ONE guy who had a bad series or a bad game but THREE 10mil plus players who had a bad series at the same time. Two of them went goalless in a playoff series.


Thought that was Marner
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lets talk about Boston and boston top gun /pastrnak/marchand/bergeron... who care if pastrnak/marchand/ bergeron scored together 10 goal. When they was on the ice, they had a combined of 6 GF and 18 GA in EV. In total when they was on the ice ( including pp, they was -4). Yes they got a lot of goal but Tkachuk line completly destroy Boston top gun at even strenght?

but again Boston had the same issues too, goaltending didn't get the job done so i repeat again Whatever the way youre playing, playing a high open ice style of game and finishing your game 6-5 5-4 or playing a huge defensive game and finishing your game 3-3/;2-1... being able exemple to shutdown kucherov line ( 1 of 3 most dangerous line in NHL) to only 2 EV goal... its extremely a huge factor. if they dont do it forget whats happened gm 4 and 5... game was over before any comeback .

if the worst player of your team is your goalie, you will struggle no matther what you do in front. Try to find just for fun in the last 10 year 1 team who made a long run with a goalie giving up minimum 1 weak goal basically everygame when its not 2. Just try it

when your goalie suck you having 2 choice, trying to outscore your opponent like Boston tried or try to minimize the quality of scoring chance you giving up by taking less risk ( so at the end also having less scoring chance and less goal)...and yes that can affect your stats at the end for sure... but the result still the same
 
thusk said:
lets talk about Boston and boston top gun /pastrnak/marchand/bergeron... who care if pastrnak/marchand/ bergeron scored together 10 goal. When they was on the ice, they had a combined of 6 GF and 18 GA in EV. In total when they was on the ice ( including pp, they was -4). Yes they got a lot of goal but Tkachuk line completly destroy Boston top gun at even strenght?

but again Boston had the same issues too, goaltending didn't get the job done so i repeat again Whatever the way youre playing, playing a high open ice style of game and finishing your game 6-5 5-4 or playing a huge defensive game and finishing your game 3-3/;2-1... being able exemple to shutdown kucherov line ( 1 of 3 most dangerous line in NHL) to only 2 EV goal... its extremely a huge factor. if they dont do it forget whats happened gm 4 and 5... game was over before any comeback .

if the worst player of your team is your goalie, you will struggle no matther what you do in front. Try to find just for fun in the last 10 year 1 team who made a long run with a goalie giving up minimum 1 weak goal basically everygame when its not 2. Just try it

when your goalie suck you having 2 choice, trying to outscore your opponent like Boston tried or try to minimize the quality of scoring chance you giving up by taking less risk ( so at the end also having less scoring chance and less goal)...and yes that can affect your stats at the end for sure... but the result still the same
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Just take the L and move on.
You are literally talking to yourself.

You are now switching from the goalie sucks but they played great but when you realise and agree that they could do better, to they spent their energy playing defense and that’s why they don’t need to score. Pretty sure your next point will be Keefe’s coaching.

Don’t you get it, nobody is disagreeing with you about Sammy or any other goalie being bad. What’s I have been saying all along is the simple fact that AM, MM and JT combined for ONE goal in a playoff series and they need to do much much better than that if the Leafs is ever going to have any chance in the playoffs.

What you kept going on and literally side stepping is the simple fact that you won’t admit that AM, JT and MM scoring for ONE goal is a playoffs is just not acceptable. I just don’t understand why that’s so hard to admit.

Like I said, I am bored having with this discussion and knowing you based on this discussion. Pretty sure you will keep going on bc you like to get the last word in.
 
Petrified to play Hildeby ... yet we start Sammy with no games played in the AHL. It makes me wonder who is making these decisions.

Did we ever find out what we did with Sammy when sent down? Did he go on a goaltenders retreat with other goalies? How Samsonov got his groove back... on Netflix in February.
 
Gabriel426 said:
Good, that’s the culture that we need
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We had it, then Keefe got mad because Clifford got a game suspension and didn't play him again.

Stephen said:
I'd rank the Leafs goalie options right now for Sunday night as:

Hildeby
Jones
Marner


Samsonov
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You know, other than the second goal (clearly trying for a highlight reel save and went too early), I didn't think Sammy was that bad. Not much you can do when your D-men are throwing pucks to the opposition for prime scoring opportunities, and he DID make some major saves today. Hopefully he finally got his head on straight.
 
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I miss the old days 90s ish when the guy that played the best was getting the chance in goal.Hell it could be yes a guy like Hildeby but NO not nowdays now you have a f***ing marinate system in ahl a ranking order even the zamboni driver gets the chance before someone else.So finally when you get in then you are stuck with the team because you have a big salary (samsonov) or someone else are on the marinate plate.

So it is hard to get in but even "harder to get out.Hell give Hildeby the chance and play Samsonov in ahl where he belongs when every point mathers for the Maple leafs in a very tight eastern conference.Yes i miss the good old days.From a leafs fan with a Detroit avatar .
 
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I'm a Jones truther.

But if we're being honest, what are the odds on Tre trading for Markstrom at some point?
 
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horner said:
Really 1 bad goal.
What about the crazy defensive play .
When we lose its the goaltender
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horner said:
Really 1 bad goal.
What about the crazy defensive play .
When we lose its the goaltender.
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The problem is It's not 1 bad goal.

It's AT LEAST 1 bad goal EVERY night.

That's why I don't blame the defense at all, because there is ALWAYS AT LEAST 1, even in wins where you go "he's got to have that."

Just recently there was 2 against the NYI, 1 against Colorado, at least 1 against Detroit and 1 against Edmonton.

That's 5 in the last 4 games alone.

That's been the difference.

BamBamCam said:
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toron...2022-but-president-brendan-shanahan-vetoed-it
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That's the right call trading Knies would have been bad.
 
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