Leafs need to address the goaltending.

[Racer88]

There is also no team that can overcome their top three highest paid players and forwards scoring ONE goal or 10% of goals in a playoff series.

I am not saying our goaltending is great bc they are not over the past few seasons but to say that our top three are doing their jobs and didn’t let the Leafs down is just wrong.

Like I said, both things can be true at the same time. If you believe that our top three highest paid players are pulling their weights and are playoffs warriors and leaders, that’s good for you.


Apparently some here believe that they are doing great and it was the rest of the team that let them down.

Yup, some have incredibly low standards for three, soon to be 4 of the highest paid players in the league

 

[thusk]

There is also no team that can overcome their top three highest paid players and forwards scoring ONE goal or 10% of goals in a playoff series.

I am not saying our goaltending is great bc they are not over the past few seasons but to say that our top three are doing their jobs and didn’t let the Leafs down is just wrong.

Like I said, both things can be true at the same time. If you believe that our top three highest paid players are pulling their weights and are playoffs warriors and leaders, that’s good for you.


Apparently some here believe that they are doing great and it was the rest of the team that let them down.

when your down 2-0 because your goalie dont make basic save and gave up 4 weak goal with all pressure felt into 5 player to overcome it who cant take offensive risk because if they give up too many opportunity on his opponnent, your goalie are unable to make save to overcome this.

so you start to play safe mode like first 40 to try to protect as much of possible your goalie because if you starting to be agressive too soon, its not 2-3-4 goal he will allow but 4-5-6

when you having an opportunity to score, the pressure just become even higher because youre already know you cant miss it...so your starting to try perfect shoot and take shoot wide of the net unstead or forcing goalie to makeba play, making perfect play unstead of just keeping your game simple... same thing on pp, try to make an high risk amaizing play unstead if just send puck on the net and work to make thing happen. you start to overthink, try to do too much and when its happen, most of the time that dont give good result.

its how Poor goaltending can affect a team offensivly..

watch pittsburgh when they won their cup in 2016-2017, the ONLY difference was not how crosby/ malkin/ kessel/ letang/ honrqvist who won like 50 % of pittsburgh cap space played vs 55 for leafs core but its how Murray/Fleury get the job done and stole more game than the number they cost vs Campbell /Samsonov who drastically cost leafs

 

[ToneDog]

when your down 2-0 because your goalie dont make basic save and gave up 4 weak goal with all pressure felt into 5 player to overcome it who cant take offensive risk because if they give up too many opportunity on his opponnent, your goalie are unable to make save to overcome this.

so you start to play safe mode like first 40 to try to protect as much of possible your goalie because if you starting to be agressive too soon, its not 2-3-4 goal he will allow but 4-5-6

when you having an opportunity to score, the pressure just become even higher because youre already know you cant miss it...so your starting to try perfect shoot and take shoot wide of the net unstead or forcing goalie to makeba play, making perfect play unstead of just keeping your game simple... same thing on pp, try to make an high risk amaizing play unstead if just send puck on the net and work to make thing happen. you start to overthink, try to do too much and when its happen, most of the time that dont give good result.

its how Poor goaltending can affect a team offensivly..

watch pittsburgh when they won their cup in 2016-2017, the ONLY difference was not how crosby/ malkin/ kessel/ letang/ honrqvist who won like 50 % of pittsburgh cap space played vs 55 for leafs core but its how Murray/Fleury get the job done and stole more game than the number they cost vs Campbell /Samsonov who drastically cost leafs

If it is on the goaltending, you better tell Tre because Sammy, Jones and Woll is a dog's breakfast.

Facts:
Sammy playing like the goalie that thrown to the curb by the Caps
Jones playing well today but risk is he comes down to earth and becomes the guy we found at the bottom of a dumpster and passed through waivers
Woll has little NHL experience, history of injuries and coming off a 2 month injury

 

[thusk]

If it is on the goaltending, you better tell Tre because Sammy, Jones and Woll is a dog's breakfast.

Facts:
Sammy playing like the goalie that thrown to the curb by the Caps
Jones playing well today but risk is he comes down to earth and becomes the guy we found at the bottom of a dumpster and passed through waivers
Woll has little NHL experience, history of injuries and coming off a 2 month injury

and its still an issue but option are limited

Edmonton, NJ, Carolina having the same issu on net

 

[Shooter2x]

Does seem odd we'd choose a goalie who had multiple disciplinary issues with the Caps. We just dealt with a mentally fragile goalie in Campbell, then jump to another head case?

For perspective, we removed Kadri because they felt he was a liability due to, let's sum it up as, immaturity on the ice. So why did we jump to Ilya after Campbell?

Google is there to confirm Ilya's run ins with the Caps.

Goalies have become a conundrum today, so the best thing to do is adopt principles so you can increase your odds of getting one that will play above average. Calm and collected with low injury risk should be no.1 on the list. Mrazek Cambbell Murray Ilya sums up our approach to playoff design.

 

[thusk]

Does seem odd we'd choose a goalie who had multiple disciplinary issues with the Caps. We just dealt with a mentally fragile goalie in Campbell, then jump to another head case?

For perspective, we removed Kadri because they felt he was a liability due to, let's sum it up as, immaturity on the ice. So why did we jump to Ilya after Campbell?

Google is there to confirm Ilya's run ins with the Caps.

Goalies have become a conundrum today, so the best thing to do is adopt principles so you can increase your odds of getting one that will play above average. Calm and collected with low injury risk should be no.1 on the list. Mrazek Cambbell Murray Ilya sums up our approach to playoff design.

Samsonov was back up plan of Dubas
primary plan was Matt Murray

 

[weems]

Does seem odd we'd choose a goalie who had multiple disciplinary issues with the Caps. We just dealt with a mentally fragile goalie in Campbell, then jump to another head case?

For perspective, we removed Kadri because they felt he was a liability due to, let's sum it up as, immaturity on the ice. So why did we jump to Ilya after Campbell?

Google is there to confirm Ilya's run ins with the Caps.

Goalies have become a conundrum today, so the best thing to do is adopt principles so you can increase your odds of getting one that will play above average. Calm and collected with low injury risk should be no.1 on the list. Mrazek Cambbell Murray Ilya sums up our approach to playoff design.

Out of all the goalies we've had during this core's timeline, I'd say Jones and Woll seem the most calm and relaxed while playing.

Interesting post and it would be awesome talking with goalie coaches and asking them their thoughts on certain types of goalies (calm, steady, positional, lower upside vs hectic, inconsistent, super athletic but high upside) and how those attriubutes can play into overall team psyche.

 

[verdi]

can't afford goaltending or players at any other positions.

 

[Shooter2x]

Samsonov was back up plan of Dubas
primary plan was Matt Murray

Encapsulated him in the low injury risk

 

[ToneDog]

can't afford goaltending or players at any other positions.

Recipe to winning a SC that has eluded us for 56 years.

 

[verdi]

Recipe to winning a SC that has eluded us for 56 years.

Well unless the cap goes up substantially, we f***ed that up didn't we?

 

[Gabriel426]

when your down 2-0 because your goalie dont make basic save and gave up 4 weak goal with all pressure felt into 5 player to overcome it who cant take offensive risk because if they give up too many opportunity on his opponnent, your goalie are unable to make save to overcome this.

so you start to play safe mode like first 40 to try to protect as much of possible your goalie because if you starting to be agressive too soon, its not 2-3-4 goal he will allow but 4-5-6

when you having an opportunity to score, the pressure just become even higher because youre already know you cant miss it...so your starting to try perfect shoot and take shoot wide of the net unstead or forcing goalie to makeba play, making perfect play unstead of just keeping your game simple... same thing on pp, try to make an high risk amaizing play unstead if just send puck on the net and work to make thing happen. you start to overthink, try to do too much and when its happen, most of the time that dont give good result.

its how Poor goaltending can affect a team offensivly..

watch pittsburgh when they won their cup in 2016-2017, the ONLY difference was not how crosby/ malkin/ kessel/ letang/ honrqvist who won like 50 % of pittsburgh cap space played vs 55 for leafs core but its how Murray/Fleury get the job done and stole more game than the number they cost vs Campbell /Samsonov who drastically cost leafs

Nobody is saying goaltending is not an issue.
I am also saying our top 3 scoring ONE goal in a playoffs series is also an issue.

 

[Fogelhund]

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

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That's awesome, it truly is, we have NEEDED it but as I've said, I'm never going to be fully comfortable with Martin Jones as the #1 guy.

There is a reason we got him on the contract we got him on, he was awful for 5 straight years 10 games Isn't enough to sell me.

And even if it were enough I'd still want anothe goalie because Samsonov is very, VERY not an option, and the current backup is an AHL kid in his first year in North America.

 

[Evilhomer]

That's awesome, it truly is, we have NEEDED it but as I've said, I'm never going to be fully comfortable with Martin Jones as the #1 guy.

There is a reason we got him on the contract we got him on, he was awful for 5 straight years 10 games Isn't enough to sell me.

And even if it were enough I'd still want anothe goalie because Samsonov is very, VERY not an option, and the current backup is an AHL kid in his first year in North America.

I don't think there is any world where the team believes that Martin Jones is the number one goalie, either. He just beat the two worst teams in the league, and gets to beat the worst one again tomorrow. I don't think anyone should read much into these games, and I doubt management does. The reality is that Woll will likely be the team's number one goalie. There is obviously risk in that, but the team is not going to trade for a number one goalie (if there is even one available).

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't think there is any world where the team believes that Martin Jones is the number one goalie, either. He just beat the two worst teams in the league, and gets to beat the worst one again tomorrow. I don't think anyone should read much into these games, and I doubt management does. The reality is that Woll will likely be the team's number one goalie. There is obviously risk in that, but the team is not going to trade for a number one goalie (if there is even one available).

I'm not convinced Woll is the #1 either, he's injury prone always has bee, I don't think the #1 goalie is currently on this team.

I don't know who it is, it may even be an off season move because only Woll has a contract for next year.

But I do know It's not Jones and I'm not convinced It's Woll either.

Woll has to stay healthy.

 

[horner]

I'm not convinced Woll is the #1 either, he's injury prone always has bee, I don't think the #1 goalie is currently on this team.

I don't know who it is, it may even be an off season move because only Woll has a contract for next year.

But I do know It's not Jones and I'm not convinced It's Woll either.

Woll has to stay healthy.

You will never be happy with who we have in net.
The reality is that we have 21 mil to spend if we trade Kampf 23.4 mil.

We need a dman or 2. @ 11 mil cap
We need a top 6 forward maybe Bertuzzi @ 6 mil.
Ljiligren 3 mil
Benoit 1.5 mil

Woll got injured this time because our defensive coverage probably the only one that showed was Woll. He probably made 10 incredible saves.

Woll and Jones will be our goaltenders going into the playoffs
They will also be our goaltenders next yr.
Hildeby will also have another yr under his belt. In 2 yrs he will probably be with the leafs.

Cowen and Minten will more than likely be on the team next yr.

With the amount of 53 mil in cap going to 5 players
Mathews Nylander Marner JT Mo

We need as many young players on ELC contracts
Woll is a great young goaltender on an ELC contract hopefully he can stay healthy.

 

[fancy lad]

I like Martin Jones. He's not spectacular, but solid.

Maybe he won't steal us games, but he won't cost us games either.

 

[thusk]

Nobody is saying goaltending is not an issue.
I am also saying our top 3 scoring ONE goal in a playoffs series is also an issue.

im not telling but just watch whats happening vs florida

gm 1 after 9 min samsonov gave up a weak goal because he was unable to control a low angle shot and gave up a juicy rebound right in the slot and florida took momemtum and larer florida scored a lucky goal and took a 2-0

toronto came back a 2-2 and get back the momemtum on their side and samsonov had a chance to make a key save on breakaway and keep thst momemtum... but his lost his balance!!!

later he made a terrible lateral move, lost his balance he gave up a easy empty net goal...so unstead of still have a chance to tie it, game was over


gm 2 leafs took a 2-0 lead with full momemtum. samsonov gave a weak goal 6 minute later and leafs list that momemtum, they scored early in 2nd with momemtum at max in florida side and they used that momemtum to take 3-2...

with good goaltending, both game game could be easily be 2-1 win at the end and at worst 2-2 and goes on ot but leafs waa trailing 2-0 with no answer .

but what can of impact good goaltending can have on your offensive weapon...


gm 3 vs tampa. samsonov in 3rd was amaizing and made clutche save... result late leafs still had a chance to tie it and they did it with oreilly... and again he did it in OT and rielly score goal winner

gm 6 samsonov had been fantastic

matthews score 1st goal and samsonov work gave a chance to john tavares to score goal winning goal.

martin jones vs anaheim when dostal had been fantastic... if he dont get the job done, jt didn't tie it and matthews didn't scored in OT.

maybe if samsonov would do his job exemple gm 1 and 2 and both game goes on OT, who know maybe it tould be Matthews or marner or nylander or tavares with goal winner like Tkachuk did vs Caroline. How many goal or pts Tkachuk get last playoff because Bobrovsky ? probably somewhere around 20 and 25% of his productiom

 

[horner]

I'm not convinced Woll is the #1 either, he's injury prone always has bee, I don't think the #1 goalie is currently on this team.

I don't know who it is, it may even be an off season move because only Woll has a contract for next year.

But I do know It's not Jones and I'm not convinced It's Woll either.

Woll has to stay healthy.

Demko Vancouver has a long injury history
It a good thing Vancouver didn't trade him
He will be up for the vezina this .

On your theory you probably would have traded him

 

[Fogelhund]

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[Gabriel426]

im not telling but just watch whats happening vs florida

gm 1 after 9 min samsonov gave up a weak goal because he was unable to control a low angle shot and gave up a juicy rebound right in the slot and florida took momemtum and larer florida scored a lucky goal and took a 2-0

toronto came back a 2-2 and get back the momemtum on their side and samsonov had a chance to make a key save on breakaway and keep thst momemtum... but his lost his balance!!!

later he made a terrible lateral move, lost his balance he gave up a easy empty net goal...so unstead of still have a chance to tie it, game was over


gm 2 leafs took a 2-0 lead with full momemtum. samsonov gave a weak goal 6 minute later and leafs list that momemtum, they scored early in 2nd with momemtum at max in florida side and they used that momemtum to take 3-2...

with good goaltending, both game game could be easily be 2-1 win at the end and at worst 2-2 and goes on ot but leafs waa trailing 2-0 with no answer .

but what can of impact good goaltending can have on your offensive weapon...


gm 3 vs tampa. samsonov in 3rd was amaizing and made clutche save... result late leafs still had a chance to tie it and they did it with oreilly... and again he did it in OT and rielly score goal winner

gm 6 samsonov had been fantastic

matthews score 1st goal and samsonov work gave a chance to john tavares to score goal winning goal.

martin jones vs anaheim when dostal had been fantastic... if he dont get the job done, jt didn't tie it and matthews didn't scored in OT.

maybe if samsonov would do his job exemple gm 1 and 2 and both game goes on OT, who know maybe it tould be Matthews or marner or nylander or tavares with goal winner like Tkachuk did vs Caroline. How many goal or pts Tkachuk get last playoff because Bobrovsky ? probably somewhere around 20 and 25% of his productiom

You over analyzing the goalie thus you are literally focusing and blaming everything on the goalie.
For every incident or moment you mentioned about the goalie, we could all say the same about AM, MM and JT not being clutch and actually put one by Bob when they had the chance during the game, they would had won the Cup.

There is no justification for AM, MM and JT to combine for ONE goal in a playoff series.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Anyone else secretly hoping Jones goes super Saiyan and plays out the rest of the season at a similar pace and finishes in Vezina contention? Might be wishful thinking.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Anyone else secretly hoping Jones goes super Saiyan and plays out the rest of the season at a similar pace and finishes in Vezina contention? Might be wishful thinking.

Don't really care about Vezinas. The Leafs goalies could all finish sub .900 for all I care. I just need one of them to stand on their head in the playoffs.

 

[Confucius]

Anyone else secretly hoping Jones goes super Saiyan and plays out the rest of the season at a similar pace and finishes in Vezina contention? Might be wishful thinking.

Absolutely, quite often I find myself cheering for one of the guys to set a record, points, goals, streaks of all types