Leafs need to address the goaltending.

[Seath The Scaleless]

I'm not sure they can do anything of substance during the season, but perhaps a better UFA is out there in the off season?

The NHL in general seems to have a goalie problem.

Developing your own goalie seems like the best solution. We can do that with Woll

 

[Martin Skoula]

I just don't want to rush Hildeby. He's kicking a** in the AHL, he's still super young. Let him be a big fish in a small pond and keep gaining that experience and confidence. His time will come.

I have the highest hopes in him.

Hildeby was a double overager with years of pro experience. It’s a 3 year gap between him and Woll, if it wasn’t for the string of injuries in the AHL Woll probably would have seen a few preseason games and been a viable option to cover a few games for injuries at the same age.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I just don't know who can reasonably be targeted that would be significantly better. I'd hate to spend assets and it's not even a marginal upgrade at best.

What happens when new goalie lets in 4, 1 stinker, 1 rebound and 2 tips. Are we going to have to find another one? I can't see teams trading us the kind of upgrade we hope we could get. Is Saros actually on the block? Would Hart really be all that great in this market, especially at the acquisition price?

That depends would this hypothetical new goalie be giving up 4+ almost every night like Samsonov does? because if so that's a problem that's why Samsonov HAS to go, because he's not an option at this point.

OR does this hypothetical new goalie gives up 4 one night but for the most part is generally dependable? In that case no.

Bad games happen, there is a MAJOR difference between having a bad game and being a f***ing disgrace.

Samsonov is a f***ing disgrace.

 

[thusk]

If they want a new goalie, they can get one.

It doesn't matter what price tag NHL GM's put on their goalies due to goaltending issues on other teams.

Goalies are the cheapest asset in the NHL. All they will get if they don't budge on their price is the honor of bragging about their price tag and then gaining zero assets when the Leafs (for example) don't trade with them.

Ride the crap shoot. Due for a hit.

price of a player result on offer vs demand, more youre adding team in NHL and more value of goaltending raise

right now demand are high and offer are pretty low

Teams have went on runs with rookies in net. If the guy plays well, who cares if he is a rookie?

And you're right that anything can happen. Same thing can be applied to whichever goalie that comes here, except we'd be spending assets and using up more cap space.




Which goalie do you have in mind?

Gibson? Overpaid, big gamble, years of poor play until this year (still not great)

Markstrom? Probably a better option than Gibson, but it's still a gamble. Hasn't been the same since the Oilers series, although looking OK this year

Saros? Doubt the Preds will trade him

All the other (potentially) available pieces don't move the needle at all. Martin, Vejmelka, Halak, Blackwood, etc.

switch gibson and woll... woll would be under 0.900 sv % and over 3 gaa

i giving you 1 exemple last season in 83 ga.e, anaheim had 4 game where they allowed less than 2 goal. kind of game helping you to boost your stats but because ducks are too dump defensivly, they are prqtically started every gane with 2 goal against ( 95% of time). prerty hard for any goalie to have good stats that way

this season in 8 started, Stolarz ( who was in anaheim last season) had already 3 of those game.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I wonder if Merzlinks is available in Columbus, he wouldn't be my first choice, the GAA isn't great at over 3 but his save% is solid at 909.

That's MILES ahead of Samsonov.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brad placed a call.

 

[DatDude44]

Blues fan here.....also closet leafs supporter...... Idk how many goaltenders with a cup or atleast deep playoff run experience on their resume are available this year, outside of john gibson and jordan binnington.

Would you guys be interested in some sort of deal that involve Binnington + Toropchenko+ brandon saad?

Reasons why i think they'd be of great use to you guys, binnington's a guy who's proven to be at his best in the most important games, as i'm sure you all know by now, playing Goalie in the toronto pressure cooker these days is no easy task for damn near anybody, a goalie with a specific mentality is needed imo, who else better than the "do I look nervous" goaltender who already helped one team in blue break out of a 50+ year cup curse. Also, he's been fantastic this season and other than last year has been a quality goaltender in general(the blues were terrible last year) and he's always been better in playoffs than regular season.

Saad and toropchenko I believe are the exact type of depth forwards you guys would like who each add a combination of speed, size, bite and detailed puck mgmt and defensive play, both of which have the ability to chip in offensively and or kill penalties. Which imo, are the types of players you guys need down your lineup, Saad is even smart enough to potentially be a complimentary top 6 guy like if they wanted to run saad-Matthews-Marner or something like that etc...

Idk exactly what the blues would want in return, but was wondering how open leafs fans would be to acquiring those pieces......now, if any of you are interested, (I'm sure a bunch of leafs fans who never watch the blues will be happy to comment about how wrong i am on these 3 players and not want them whatsoever minus maybe torpedo)Anyway, binner+saad+torpedo is about 11.25M in cap space.

So obviously some expensive pieces would need to be moved to STL

Initial thought Nylander+ Samsonov and maybe the blues attach more value like Bolduc or something..

Other thought was something around Samsonov+ Liljegren for Binnington + Scandella(50% retained)

Guessing you'll all hate this and we'll move on, but figured worth a shot.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Blues fan here.....also closet leafs supporter...... Idk how many goaltenders with a cup or atleast deep playoff run experience on their resume are available this year, outside of john gibson and jordan binnington.

Would you guys be interested in some sort of deal that involve Binnington + Toropchenko+ brandon saad?

Reasons why i think they'd be of great use to you guys, binnington's a guy who's proven to be at his best in the most important games, as i'm sure you all know by now, playing Goalie in the toronto pressure cooker these days is no easy task for damn near anybody, a goalie with a specific mentality is needed imo, who else better than the "do I look nervous" goaltender who already helped one team in blue break out of a 50+ year cup curse. Also, he's been fantastic this season and other than last year has been a quality goaltender in general(the blues were terrible last year) and he's always been better in playoffs than regular season.

Saad and toropchenko I believe are the exact type of depth forwards you guys would like who each add a combination of speed, size, bite and detailed puck mgmt and defensive play, both of which have the ability to chip in offensively and or kill penalties. Which imo, are the types of players you guys need down your lineup, Saad is even smart enough to potentially be a complimentary top 6 guy like if they wanted to run saad-Matthews-Marner or something like that etc...

Idk exactly what the blues would want in return, but was wondering how open leafs fans would be to acquiring those pieces......now, if any of you are interested, (I'm sure a bunch of leafs fans who never watch the blues will be happy to comment about how wrong i am on these 3 players and not want them whatsoever minus maybe torpedo)Anyway, binner+saad+torpedo is about 11.25M in cap space.

So obviously some expensive pieces would need to be moved to STL

Initial thought Nylander+ Samsonov and maybe the blues attach more value like Bolduc or something..

Other thought was something around Samsonov+ Liljegren for Binnington + Scandella(50% retained)

Guessing you'll all hate this and we'll move on, but figured worth a shot.

Binner is an obvious fit, however I see no spot for Saad

 

[LeafEgo]

Blues fan here.....also closet leafs supporter...... Idk how many goaltenders with a cup or atleast deep playoff run experience on their resume are available this year, outside of john gibson and jordan binnington.

Would you guys be interested in some sort of deal that involve Binnington + Toropchenko+ brandon saad?

Reasons why i think they'd be of great use to you guys, binnington's a guy who's proven to be at his best in the most important games, as i'm sure you all know by now, playing Goalie in the toronto pressure cooker these days is no easy task for damn near anybody, a goalie with a specific mentality is needed imo, who else better than the "do I look nervous" goaltender who already helped one team in blue break out of a 50+ year cup curse. Also, he's been fantastic this season and other than last year has been a quality goaltender in general(the blues were terrible last year) and he's always been better in playoffs than regular season.

Saad and toropchenko I believe are the exact type of depth forwards you guys would like who each add a combination of speed, size, bite and detailed puck mgmt and defensive play, both of which have the ability to chip in offensively and or kill penalties. Which imo, are the types of players you guys need down your lineup, Saad is even smart enough to potentially be a complimentary top 6 guy like if they wanted to run saad-Matthews-Marner or something like that etc...

Idk exactly what the blues would want in return, but was wondering how open leafs fans would be to acquiring those pieces......now, if any of you are interested, (I'm sure a bunch of leafs fans who never watch the blues will be happy to comment about how wrong i am on these 3 players and not want them whatsoever minus maybe torpedo)Anyway, binner+saad+torpedo is about 11.25M in cap space.

So obviously some expensive pieces would need to be moved to STL

Initial thought Nylander+ Samsonov and maybe the blues attach more value like Bolduc or something..

Other thought was something around Samsonov+ Liljegren for Binnington + Scandella(50% retained)

Guessing you'll all hate this and we'll move on, but figured worth a shot.

Half way through I thought the offering was well thought out but probably you'd be disappointed with what the Leafs would offer.

It went off the rails when Willy was brought up. He's not going to be moved for Bolduc, or at all, and I don't know why the Blues would want him for a few months before joining the free agency frenzy with everyone else.

 

[DatDude44]

Half way through I thought the offering was well thought out but probably you'd be disappointed with what the Leafs would offer.

It went off the rails when Willy was brought up. He's not going to be moved for Bolduc, or at all, and I don't know why the Blues would want him for a few months before joining the free agency frenzy with everyone else.

Bolduc was an addition to binnington, Saad and toropchenko. I wasn’t implying nylander for Bolduc straight up.

I just figured you guys would want more long term value in the deal if nylander were in it. I know some leafs fans want value in return versus losing for nothing, figured this idea allows u guys to still gear up for a deep playoff run, with a different team composition and get some long term quality back for the soon to be UFA.

But I’m open to non nylander type deals as well.

Would Binnington + Toropchenko(who I think you guys would love) for 2024 1st/liljegren + samsonov make sense for u guys? I think Lilly+ samsonov would balance out the cap tho. (For those unaware of what the “/“ means, that’s one or the other, not both lol)

Not sure if we’d need to take a cap dump back or not or if u have one to give.

Binner is an obvious fit, however I see no spot for Saad

What would u offer for Binner alone?

 

[Stephen]

I wonder if Merzlinks is available in Columbus, he wouldn't be my first choice, the GAA isn't great at over 3 but his save% is solid at 909.

That's MILES ahead of Samsonov.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brad placed a call.

Merzlikins is a terrific athlete with some big upside but he's a bit of a hothead/gas can, so proceed with caution, especially with his big contract.

 

[Stephen]

Binner is an obvious fit, however I see no spot for Saad

Binnington is both an interesting fit being a local GTA guy, I feel like he has Blues to Leafs connections reminiscent of Curtis Joseph. Has big game experience, Bruins killer. But... he's also quite an up and down personality which is sort of the type we might want to move away from after Campbell, Mrazek and now maybe Samsonov.

 

[LeafEgo]

Bolduc was an addition to binnington, Saad and toropchenko. I wasn’t implying nylander for Bolduc straight up.

I just figured you guys would want more long term value in the deal if nylander were in it. I know some leafs fans want value in return versus losing for nothing, figured this idea allows u guys to still gear up for a deep playoff run, with a different team composition and get some long term quality back for the soon to be UFA.

But I’m open to non nylander type deals as well.

Would Binnington + Toropchenko(who I think you guys would love) for 2024 1st/liljegren + samsonov make sense for u guys? I think Lilly+ samsonov would balance out the cap tho. (For those unaware of what the “/“ means, that’s one or the other, not both lol)

Not sure if we’d need to take a cap dump back or not or if u have one to give.


What would u offer for Binner alone?

Yeah let's scrap Willy.

I appreciate the players you are offering, but Binners contract is an impossibility for the Leafs. We don't have the assets for max retention (~10M) or to protect the downside.

A 1st or Lily aren't going out the door on this deal when a top D man is priority and we are strapped for assets.

Ditto Torpo. I'm not really sure what he's worth but I suspect you get offered less than from the Leafs at this moment.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Bolduc was an addition to binnington, Saad and toropchenko. I wasn’t implying nylander for Bolduc straight up.

I just figured you guys would want more long term value in the deal if nylander were in it. I know some leafs fans want value in return versus losing for nothing, figured this idea allows u guys to still gear up for a deep playoff run, with a different team composition and get some long term quality back for the soon to be UFA.

But I’m open to non nylander type deals as well.

Would Binnington + Toropchenko(who I think you guys would love) for 2024 1st/liljegren + samsonov make sense for u guys? I think Lilly+ samsonov would balance out the cap tho. (For those unaware of what the “/“ means, that’s one or the other, not both lol)

Not sure if we’d need to take a cap dump back or not or if u have one to give.


What would u offer for Binner alone?

I don't know he's a hard player to place in terms of value I have seen him steal games, I've also seen him single handily lose games.

I do believe he's closer to the good version than the bad version.

What would you want for just Binner?

 

[DarkKnight]

They should run Jones - Hidelby until Woll is back, unless they are thinking a bigger get like Saros/Gibson/Markstrom.

But hate the idea of using assets on a stop gap.

Kallgren played plenty and he was a complete stop gap, hardly real NHL caliber. We don’t need to waste assets, Woll will return.

 

[DatDude44]

I don't know he's a hard player to place in terms of value I have seen him steal games, I've also seen him single handily lose games.

I do believe he's closer to the good version than the bad version.

What would you want for just Binner?

I would want a quality young asset like a 1st or Liljegren + whatever cap dump u guys wish to offload. I personally like Niemela a lot so would love to have him sprinkled into the deal if possible. I know 6mill isn’t ideal for a non exceptionally elite goaltender contract, but it’s not the worst contract in the world, and you’d have Binner for multiple years. 1 cup would be more than worth any young assets u give up for him…..Blues fans still love the Tage and ROR deal lol

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yeah let's scrap Willy.

I appreciate the players you are offering, but Binners contract is an impossibility for the Leafs. We don't have the assets for max retention (~10M) or to protect the downside.

A 1st or Lily aren't going out the door on this deal when a top D man is priority and we are strapped for assets.

Ditto Torpo. I'm not really sure what he's worth but I suspect you get offered less than from the Leafs at this moment.

See I don't know that I agree that a top d man is needed.

Don't get it twisted the defense does needs work, but it needs a Chris Tanev, VERY good defensively but I wouldn't call hima top D man. Matt Dumba would be a solid addition if Arizona falls out.

Adam Larsson or Conor Murphy if you want guys with term.

Brett Pesce would be the PERFECT fit with Rielly, and if Carolina falls out and Brett Pesce becomes available you put whatever is necessary on the table to get it done.

Bur Beyond Pesce or Hanafin you don't need a top guy, we know Rielly and Brodie together works It's McCabe that really needs a partner.

 

[Evilhomer]

I don't think the Leafs will trade for a goalie. I think they will just wait for Woll to get back and ride Jones. Samsonov can be given games against teams like San Jose, Anaheim, etc. until he gets his confidence back.

 

[Nineteen67]

See I don't know that I agree that a top d man is needed.

Don't get it twisted the defense does needs work, but it needs a Chris Tanev, VERY good defensively but I wouldn't call hima top D man. Matt Dumba would be a solid addition if Arizona falls out.

Adam Larsson or Conor Murphy if you want guys with term.

Brett Pesce would be the PERFECT fit with Rielly, and if Carolina falls out and Brett Pesce becomes available you put whatever is necessary on the table to get it done.

Bur Beyond Pesce or Hanafin you don't need a top guy, we know Rielly and Brodie together works It's McCabe that really needs a partner.

We know Brodie doesn’t work in the top pairing, or, at least he didn’t last year. However, if the Leafs fall out he could help a team that needs depth.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We know Brodie doesn’t work in the top pairing, or, at least he didn’t last year. However, if the Leafs fall out he could help a team that needs depth.

the difference between the Leafs and Carolina is Carolina is already outside a playoff spot.

 

[Stephen]

It’s not outside the realm of possibility Jones can have a Talbot type bounce back as an 1A goalie. Guess it will depend on how tightly the Leafs cling to that hope or they just stock up on a goalie for the insurance.

 

[LeafEgo]

See I don't know that I agree that a top d man is needed.

Don't get it twisted the defense does needs work, but it needs a Chris Tanev, VERY good defensively but I wouldn't call hima top D man. Matt Dumba would be a solid addition if Arizona falls out.

Adam Larsson or Conor Murphy if you want guys with term.

Brett Pesce would be the PERFECT fit with Rielly, and if Carolina falls out and Brett Pesce becomes available you put whatever is necessary on the table to get it done.

Bur Beyond Pesce or Hanafin you don't need a top guy, we know Rielly and Brodie together works It's McCabe that really needs a partner.

There's more than one way to do it and we can't be choosers. Ultimately we need significant improvement in the top 4 - depends mostly on what opportunities present themselves.

It's going to be difficult getting our collective D corps to the level they need to be with Brodie on line one, particularly without adding a top D man to the mix.

Not big on Tanev unless they give him away. Dumba might be worth a flyer in the offseason if we're short a player. The rest are solid if they can be had and sign term.

 

[MK78]

Developing your own goalie seems like the best solution. We can do that with Woll

I agree, and I hope that it works out.

Just don't be disappointed that it doesn't work out this year, or next, he's only 25.

Developing your own goalie makes sense when you're in a rebuild. This team doesn't have time for that, the window is closing soon for the young core of forwards they have, they won't be here forever, we're about to find out with what happens to Willie.

 

[arso40]

See I don't know that I agree that a top d man is needed.

Don't get it twisted the defense does needs work, but it needs a Chris Tanev, VERY good defensively but I wouldn't call hima top D man. Matt Dumba would be a solid addition if Arizona falls out.

Adam Larsson or Conor Murphy if you want guys with term.

Brett Pesce would be the PERFECT fit with Rielly, and if Carolina falls out and Brett Pesce becomes available you put whatever is necessary on the table to get it done.

Bur Beyond Pesce or Hanafin you don't need a top guy, we know Rielly and Brodie together works It's McCabe that really needs a partner.

Agree with everything but the end rielly and Brodie do not work As the top pair mccabe has a partner rielly doesn’t

Agree with everything but the end rielly and Brodie do not work As the top pair mccabe has a partner rielly doesn’t

 

[Menzinger]

It’s not outside the realm of possibility Jones can have a Talbot type bounce back as an 1A goalie. Guess it will depend on how tightly the Leafs cling to that hope or they just stock up on a goalie for the insurance.

Ultimately what the Leafs need is a 1B to eat up games for Woll.

While I'm losing faith in Sammy, so far Jones has looked like he may be ready for that job..I don't really have too much interest in moving assets for another goalie unless it's a clear upgrade on Jones.

 

[ULF_55]

It’s not outside the realm of possibility Jones can have a Talbot type bounce back as an 1A goalie. Guess it will depend on how tightly the Leafs cling to that hope or they just stock up on a goalie for the insurance.

I think people are underselling Jones.

He was on dreadful teams, and he played statistically as well as the guy the Kraken signed to a long term deal.
I wonder sometimes if the Kraken flipped a coin on that one?


EDIT:

Hildeby taken out/ not dressed for Marlies line-up today.

Don't read anything into it ... probably a cold or something.