I get what you guys are saying, I think half of leaf nation split right now. We have all seen Gardiner enough to know that he is a good top 4 damn. I think the issue is we have needed a top 3rhd for a long time now and it seems one is available and if he is willing to play in Canada we have some pieces .. now jets need a lhd under contract that is top 4, Gardiner fits that bill. Leafs need top rhd and have the cap and a number 1 rhd spot open which trouba desires both. I think the leafs add to Gardiner, but I think by next year we could replace Gardiner internally, ( Dermott,nielsen, valiev..etc) We all know we do not have any top rhd prospects as of now and even if zietsev pans put we still need another one. I know we are not contending for a cup this year but leafs would be so much further ahead of the game if we landed trouba then we would having Gardiner because of lack on right hand side.
Proposal: Leafs need a top 4 (or top pair) dman
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I get what you guys are saying, I think half of leaf nation split right now. We have all seen Gardiner enough to know that he is a good top 4 damn. I think the issue is we have needed a top 3rhd for a long time now and it seems one is available and if he is willing to play in Canada we have some pieces .. now jets need a lhd under contract that is top 4, Gardiner fits that bill. Leafs need top rhd and have the cap and a number 1 rhd spot open which trouba desires both. I think the leafs add to Gardiner, but I think by next year we could replace Gardiner internally, ( Dermott,nielsen, valiev..etc) We all know we do not have any top rhd prospects as of now and even if zietsev pans put we still need another one. I know we are not contending for a cup this year but leafs would be so much further ahead of the game if we landed trouba then we would having Gardiner because of lack on right hand side.
The Podium
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I meant relative to Detroit. Toronto is closer to Detroit than all other surrounding cities (Chicago, Columbus, Buffalo, Pittsburgh)
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Number1RedWingsFan52
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Bottom line Trouba's first choice is to play for his hometown Detroit Red Wings. That's why he's training there while this sort it'sself out that's where he wants to be and more then likely will only sign long term with Detroit Maybe with Boston or the Rangers he might commit long term but doubt he does in Toronto.
Have you heard what he plans to do come Dec 1st if he's not traded? Is he willing to sit out the year and lose a year of salary and extend his RFA by a year
Dreakmur
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How is Ottawa arguable? It's over twice as far away.....
Buffalo is also further than Toronto. Also, the fastest way from Buffalo is to cross into Canada and back into the US.
I get the Detroit thing, but I'm sure every player drafted wants to play for hometown or favorite team growing up. But if its home he wants, why consider Boston or rangers long term? that makes no sense. If he is willing to play long term in big markets then why not Toronto?? I mean if comparing your experience in one city compared to the whole country just seems foolish to me.
HockeyHead21
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You are all over this place. First you say you have insider info from family that he only wants to be in Detroit. Then you say maybe Columbus and Pittsburgh because they are close but not Toronto even though it's roughly the same distance. Now out of nowhere you say maybe Boston or New York.
So........ Boston, Columbus, Pittsburgh, New York and I think you even mentioned Buffalo are all possibilities. Can you get his phone number? I would rather ask him myself.
Viqsi
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I'm beginning to get the impression that the real answer is "he's totally going to play for Detroit, but outright saying that would cause a loss of credibility so let's just say 'near Detroit and not in Canada' instead."You are all over this place. First you say you have insider info from family that he only wants to be in Detroit. Then you say maybe Columbus and Pittsburgh because they are close but not Toronto even though it's roughly the same distance. Now out of nowhere you say maybe Boston or New York.
So........ Boston, Columbus, Pittsburgh, New York and I think you even mentioned Buffalo are all possibilities. Can you get his phone number? I would rather ask him myself.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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You are all over this place. First you say you have insider info from family that he only wants to be in Detroit. Then you say maybe Columbus and Pittsburgh because they are close but not Toronto even though it's roughly the same distance. Now out of nowhere you say maybe Boston or New York.
So........ Boston, Columbus, Pittsburgh, New York and I think you even mentioned Buffalo are all possibilities. Can you get his phone number? I would rather ask him myself.
So far as i know and what's being reported, Is the interest is from the Rangers, Bruins, Red Wings and Coyotes so far no mention of any Canadian teams though i'm sure there's a few out there like the Leafs. We shall see what he does. Dreger also seems to think that Colorado Dallas and Tampa also could've interest in Trouba as well.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Not if they expect him to sign the Rielly deal, Doubt that would happen he will at least seek the Seth Jones Ristolainen deal and more then likely get it.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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JVR makes $250,000 more then Fowler, And Bob Murray needs to shed salary to afford to resign both Rakell and Lindholm. So unless Lou wants to add Stoner as well and maybe retain a little on JVR a JVR for Fowler swap wont work cap wise for Anaheim.
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The only feasible way you can pay Trouba more then Rielly is if you were to give him more term therefore buying up more UFA years. Trade for his rights, sign him for 8 years at 6-6.25M range.
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Only if JVR has retention because we need to lower our cap not increase it any.
Obviously Ducks would do it but Maple Leafs wouldn't they would want a positive add from the Ducks.
We are not trading a 1st round pick goes against out franchise history of not drafting in a round 1 of a year.
We don't want any defenseman even if we trade away Fowler and Stoner
Ducks are not trading Ritchie
Are we talking with or without traffic. Getting to downtown Toronto before a game is akin to waiting in line at a black Friday sale. Buffalo might be closer in terms of time spent driving.
(I kid, I kid, I'm just being difficult)
However, though, if we are talking about being close to home, Chicago or Columbus make more sense because you don't have to cross borders all the time.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Yup exactly, Something around a sign and trade where the trading team gets Trouba for the 8th year and Cheveldayoff gets a better package for Trouba that's definitely what i could see unfolding here more then likely.
JVR and Fowler are pretty equal value.
Why the hell would we retain 50% AND take back Stoner's cap dump?
Nylander may be the only interesting piece then but he may not be the piece the Ducks are looking for. JvR is too expensive CAP wise, Kadri too.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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This makes absolutely zero sense for the Leafs, In what world would Lou ever retain half of JVR's salary plus take on a dump of a salary as Stoner's. Even with JVR full salary Anaheim is still shedding around $3 million here way more then enough to afford decent deals to both Rakell and Lindholm.
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I, respectfully, very much disagree with this. More time is definitely needed to see what exactly we need. There are still many questions about the pieces that we have and without those answers, we won't be able to make the right moves.
- Is Rielly a #1 or a #2?
- Is Gardiner a #3 or a #4?
- Where (if at all) in the top 4 does Zaitsev fit?
- Can/Will Carrick crack the top 4?
