Proposal: Leafs need a top 4 (or top pair) dman
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Fowler + Stoner for JVR makes more sense than Fowler for JVR w/retention. We have a log jam of dmen. Maybe Anaheim needs to add a 3rd or 4th to justify the extra salary TOR will take on.
However we can't make the deal until Lindholm's signature dries on a contract.
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Why not just draft one in the 2017 draft cuz it's likely you'll be picking in the top 10 at the very least.
I get it... it's 1 game where Matthews probably had his best performance of the season and you think you are close but you aren't... dude scores 4 and you lose. You got aways to go and since you aren't really willing to give much up.... nobody gonna give you a top 4 for spare parts.
I think Fowler is your guy and I think JVR retained plus Kapanen gets it done. Perhaps even Kapanen plus if you take back a salary dump
I get it... it's 1 game where Matthews probably had his best performance of the season and you think you are close but you aren't... dude scores 4 and you lose. You got aways to go and since you aren't really willing to give much up.... nobody gonna give you a top 4 for spare parts.
I think Fowler is your guy and I think JVR retained plus Kapanen gets it done. Perhaps even Kapanen plus if you take back a salary dump
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Also love the ridiculously high price we won't pay for Fowler.
He's not even a RHD...
At that point I'd rather just get hazed and get Trouba. At least he's younger and a RHD, so it makes some sense. Getting hazed for a guy who probably won't fulfill our need properly and when we have a handful of prospects who will take his spot over the next couple of years makes absolutely no sense.
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I think Fowler is out of the question for us. Taking on Stoner ++ for Hunwick and spare parts on the other hand could be something we may consider.
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by 250k?
they address their most glaring weakness while subtracting from their biggest strength. leafs would take stoner, but ducks need to send a 2nd as well
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the tor 2nd is actually the middle pick of tor/ott/sj, so more likely 10-15 range.
I'd probably do the deal though.
Fowler-Rielly
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Marincin-Carrick
hunwick needs to not be in the lineup anymore and marincin is decent but not a top pairing guy. the new top 4 would be a huge improvement
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Not really a reactionary thread.. Our D-core is horrible.. A top 4/first pairing d-man is something we need
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gonna need to do better than that to dump a bad contract with 2 years left. 2nd is the minimum for taking on that much dead weight
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And how do you propose we do that? We'd have to get rid of at least 2 defensemen, if not 3.
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Jacob Trouba
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Jake Gardiner
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Connor Carrick
That would be a route I would consider. I haven't been looking too hard, but I'm pretty sure that's among the best offers that wasn't completely ridiculous out there for Trouba.
You are probably wondering why this makes any sense because it's a lateral move in terms of number of top 4 defensemen. Well technically it isn't because Marincin would move from a 2D role with Rielly to a more suitable 4D role with Zaitsev or Trouba. That would solve our problems at top 4 for now. We have plenty of guys who can fill in later on.
The rest of the problems have to do with Andersen...
Then if we wanted to, we can still make a deal with Anaheim revolving around Stoner and Hunwick, but I don't think Fowler makes sense for our team. Stoner could at least form a nice, tough bottom pairing with Polak and give us another good PK option at defense.
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This post is ridiculous. The majority of Leaf fans know that even if we draft a defenseman top 10 this draft, he likely won't play for the Leafs for ~2 years. In addition, were not looking for a rental or anything and hoping for a young top 4 Dman (hence why we're talking about Fowler, Trouba, etc.). Yeah, we know that he scored 4 and we lost, that's one reason we're looking for another dmen so that this doesn't happen as often.
Also, the majority of ANA fans have already said that JVR for Fowler is fair and the only issue is how much to add to take on Stoner/retain on JVR. So I think it's extremely ridiculous to say Fowler for JVR retained + Kap is what it takes.
As for this thread, the Leafs do need a young top 4 Dman, but unless there is a 3 way trade to be made where we get Trouba without giving up a defenseman, I don't think we're gonna find what we want right now. However, Lou should be listening to see if any other youngish top 4 Dmen with good defense become available (especially RHD).
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Jacob Trouba
(maybe a plus if we negotiate well)
Jake Gardiner
Brendan Leipsic
Connor Carrick
That would be a route I would consider. I haven't been looking too hard, but I'm pretty sure that's among the best offers that wasn't completely ridiculous out there for Trouba.
You are probably wondering why this makes any sense because it's a lateral move in terms of number of top 4 defensemen. Well technically it isn't because Marincin would move from a 2D role with Rielly to a more suitable 4D role with Zaitsev or Trouba. That would solve our problems at top 4 for now. We have plenty of guys who can fill in later on.
The rest of the problems have to do with Andersen...
Then if we wanted to, we can still make a deal with Anaheim revolving around Stoner and Hunwick, but I don't think Fowler makes sense for our team. Stoner could at least form a nice, tough bottom pairing with Polak and give us another good PK option at defense.
While I'm not sure that any trade involving Gardiner+ for Trouba is a good deal (especially without knowing what he will get for a contract), I would be very hesitant to include Carrick in the deal as well. Carrick is a piece that I don't think would have a lot of value for WPG, but he definitely has a lot of value for the Leafs right now as he's a significantly better option in our bottom 4 than our other defensemen.
If this deal was accepted, I'd rather take him out and add a 3rd or something (which I think WPG fans would be okay with as well as I don't think there is room for him in WPG anyways).
Edit: @A1LeafNation: Why can't we have both? You know how long it has been since we've had a guy on our third pairing that should actually be in our top 4? Also, by the time the '17 draft pick plays for the Leafs, we might have lost one/both of Zaitsev and Gardiner.
Rielly - Liljegren/Foote (I don't think we'll be bad enough to get one of them tbh!)
Gardiner - Trade (Fowler/Trouba)
Carrick - Zaitsev
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LordNeverLose
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All this talk of Fowler but don't the Loafs need a RHD? Unless they plan on making Reilly a RD full-time?
