Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose

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Jmo89

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Klingberg was my least favorite signing in the summer and that continues to be the case. We had something cheap that worked with Schenn and they balked over a few hundred thousand and a year of term. Schenn + Gus would cost the same as Klingberg.

I'm not sure what to think about Domi and Bertuzzi. I'm not going to blame Keefe for their poor play but Keefe complicates things with his lineup.

So far nearly the whole team from management down is getting a huge fail.

Also, why the hell did Keefe keep playing the 4th line?
 

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it was absolutely better last season, not even close. And they didn't have a defender like klingberg back there either. Holl was better.
Mate, this is delusion. Starting lineup October 2022:

#58 Michael Bunting – #34 Auston Matthews – #16 Mitch Marner
#88 William Nylander – #91 John Tavares – #62 Denis Malgin
#47 Pierre Engvall – #15 Alex Kerfoot – #19 Calle Järnkrok
#12 Zach Aston-Reese – #64 David Kampf – #96 Nicolas Aubé-Kubel

ZAR and NAK aren't even in the NHL anymore, Malgin was in our top six. Engvall is a vanilla nothing player.
 

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Mate, this is delusion. Starting lineup October 2022:

#58 Michael Bunting – #34 Auston Matthews – #16 Mitch Marner
#88 William Nylander – #91 John Tavares – #62 Denis Malgin
#47 Pierre Engvall – #15 Alex Kerfoot – #19 Calle Järnkrok
#12 Zach Aston-Reese – #64 David Kampf – #96 Nicolas Aubé-Kubel

ZAR and NAK aren't even in the NHL anymore, Malgin was in our top six. Engvall is a vanilla nothing player.

I'd take that lineup over this one honestly...

ZAR and NAK are both better than Reaves, all this tells me is GMs value face punching too much.

At least some of that lineup could defend.
 
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I would spread out of three best goal scorers.

Knies Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Jarnkrok
Bertuzzi Domi Nylander
Gregor Kampf McMann

I would like nylander with matthews but those are our two best goal scorers together. Tavares works well with grinders because he is one. Nylander gets set up by Domi hopefully.

Then I would sign Kane.

Knies Matthews Kane
Bertuzzi Tavares Marner
Robertson Domi Nylander
Gregor Kampf Jarnkrok
 
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Jmo89

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Mate, this is delusion. Starting lineup October 2022:

#58 Michael Bunting – #34 Auston Matthews – #16 Mitch Marner
#88 William Nylander – #91 John Tavares – #62 Denis Malgin
#47 Pierre Engvall – #15 Alex Kerfoot – #19 Calle Järnkrok
#12 Zach Aston-Reese – #64 David Kampf – #96 Nicolas Aubé-Kubel

ZAR and NAK aren't even in the NHL anymore, Malgin was in our top six. Engvall is a vanilla nothing player.

The team wasn't better on paper but I think this current lineup (23-24) is much more miscast.

Kampf did better with ZAR and NAK than he does with Gregor and Reaves.

Although he was an offensive black hole, Kerfoot was a better 3C than we've rolled out this year.

Bunting did better than any of Bertuzzi, Domi, or Knies with M&M. Malgin is the glaring weak spot.

The current set of forwards should be better but currently they aren't. They need a real 3C, Reaves needs to start sitting at least some games, and Bertuzzi and Domi need some consistency with linemates.

Its very likely Matthews and Marner need to be split up. Bertuzzi would probably find chemistry on a line of Tavares and Marner, while Knies or Domi would do well with Matthews and Nylander imo. Unfortunately Keefe absolutely refuses to try something new with M&M.

Treliving handed Keefe an incomplete lineup, and Keefe has done an atrocious job with what he does have.

Worst of all, the change to the core four that many of us have wanted is probably going to be Nylander walking for nothing.
 

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He's doing even worse than us

Seems weird to compare them... There is more of Dubas here than Treliving and more of Treliving in Calgary than Conroy...

You could probably compare Dubas' Leafs last year to Treliving's Leafs this year...

The team wasn't better on paper but I think this current lineup (23-24) is much more miscast.

Kampf did better with ZAR and NAK than he does with Gregor and Reaves.

Although he was an offensive black hole, Kerfoot was a better 3C than we've rolled out this year.

Bunting did better than any of Bertuzzi, Domi, or Knies with M&M. Malgin is the glaring weak spot.

The current set of forwards should be better but currently they aren't. They need a real 3C, Reaves needs to start sitting at least some games, and Bertuzzi and Domi need some consistency with linemates.

Its very likely Matthews and Marner need to be split up. Bertuzzi would probably find chemistry on a line of Tavares and Marner, while Knies or Domi would do well with Matthews and Nylander imo. Unfortunately Keefe absolutely refuses to try something new with M&M.

Treliving handed Keefe an incomplete lineup, and Keefe has done an atrocious job with what he does have.

Worst of all, the change to the core four that many of us have wanted is probably going to be Nylander walking for nothing.

Matthews played half the year with Nylander and half with Marner last year... I don't understand where that talking point where he won't split up Marner and Matthews comes from.
 
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Jmo89

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Seems weird to compare them... There is more of Dubas here than Treliving and more of Treliving in Calgary than Conroy...

You could probably compare Dubas' Leafs last year to Treliving's Leafs this year...



Matthews played half the year with Nylander and half with Marner last year... I don't understand where that talking point where he won't split up Marner and Matthews comes from.

Odd thing to pluck from my post, but since I'm talking mostly about the 23-24 lineup being a mess it would come from this year as Domi/Bertuzzi/Knies all struggle to find success with linemates.

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Tavares are all talented enough that they'll be successful with each other. Sometimes a coach has to change things around to spark the supporting cast.

I've only really complained about Keefe being stubborn with Matthews and Marner in the playoffs, when they're both slumping in a 7 game series.
 

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I'd take that lineup over this one honestly...

ZAR and NAK are both better than Reaves, all this tells me is GMs value face punching too much.

At least some of that lineup could defend.
Reaves isn't punching anyone's face, neither is Domi or Burtuzzi.
No snot to be seen.
 

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Klingberg was my least favorite signing in the summer and that continues to be the case. We had something cheap that worked with Schenn and they balked over a few hundred thousand and a year of term. Schenn + Gus would cost the same as Klingberg.

I'm not sure what to think about Domi and Bertuzzi. I'm not going to blame Keefe for their poor play but Keefe complicates things with his lineup.

So far nearly the whole team from management down is getting a huge fail.

Also, why the hell did Keefe keep playing the 4th line?
Schenn didn't want to be here. He wanted back to the US. Hostage taking is frowned upon here.
 
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Jmo89

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Schenn didn't want to be here. He wanted back to the US. Hostage taking is frowned upon here.

I'm not really sure what the bolded is referring to in regards to Schenn.

Its possible he wanted to be in the US, although the noise prior to July 1st sounded like he was interested in re-signing.

Either way, I think Klingberg was a bad signing.
 

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You know what, I clearly don't drink as much kool aid as some of the guys here. Yes you know what champ? The Leafs look absolutely fantastic, they are as strong a team as I've ever seen.

Klingberg's f*** ups are not mistakes, rather happy little accidents. Reaves is an absolute manimal and strikes fear into his opponents to the point where they can barely hold their sticks due to their hands shaking. Domi is an absolute mirror image of his old man and he's just had bad puck luck. Bertuzzi is a machine who puts up great point totals while playing a physical brand of hockey.

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it's not about drinking the kool aid as you put it it's about having some intelligence and maturity to realize were in game 11, we've started out the exact same as previous season's. Colorado started 5-5-1 the year they won the cup which is a worst record. and gave up 37 goals against aswell. this team can certainly still come together and get better as a team and grow as the season goes along. heck were 3 Dmen short on the IR right now. hardly time to show any level of panic.
 

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it's not about drinking the kool aid as you put it it's about having some intelligence and maturity to realize were in game 11, we've started out the exact same as previous season's. Colorado started 5-5-1 the year they won the cup which is a worst record. and gave up 37 goals against aswell. this team can certainly still come together and get better as a team and grow as the season goes along. heck were 3 Dmen short on the IR right now. hardly time to show any level of panic.
Logic has no place here. Panic now, celebrate later. This team will be fine. The secondary scoring will come, and Treliving will acquire at least two more defensemen during the season.
 
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it's not about drinking the kool aid as you put it it's about having some intelligence and maturity to realize were in game 11, we've started out the exact same as previous season's. Colorado started 5-5-1 the year they won the cup which is a worst record. and gave up 37 goals against aswell. this team can certainly still come together and get better as a team and grow as the season goes along. heck were 3 Dmen short on the IR right now. hardly time to show any level of panic.

I think you can make an intelligent and mature observation that this team could be in trouble without referencing Colorado and all the times they got out of a jam in the past.
 

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it's not about drinking the kool aid as you put it it's about having some intelligence and maturity to realize were in game 11, we've started out the exact same as previous season's. Colorado started 5-5-1 the year they won the cup which is a worst record. and gave up 37 goals against aswell. this team can certainly still come together and get better as a team and grow as the season goes along. heck were 3 Dmen short on the IR right now. hardly time to show any level of panic.

Sure but it’s not hard to see that these signings are absolute crap.
 

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it's not about drinking the kool aid as you put it it's about having some intelligence and maturity to realize were in game 11, we've started out the exact same as previous season's. Colorado started 5-5-1 the year they won the cup which is a worst record. and gave up 37 goals against aswell. this team can certainly still come together and get better as a team and grow as the season goes along. heck were 3 Dmen short on the IR right now. hardly time to show any level of panic.
Let's chat at the halfway point

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Didn’t catch a lot of this game. What’s the story with giving up 5 (+the empty net) tonight? AHL D exposed? Woll not good?

Were they ok and got hockey’ed, one of those games, or not good? AM showed up clearly.
 
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It's hard to know what to say

The defense is porous, losing Liljegren is a real kick in the junk we didn't need

The goaltending is so so but it definitely isn't good enough to bail out our numerous problems

The secondary scoring is non existent and the guys we've brought in are doing absolutely nothing

We lack team toughness and are mentally fragile to boot

It's amazing our record is as good as it is quite honestly
 
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