Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose

[Peasy]

With a worse ending than our playoff performances. Great show though no doubt

Haha glad someone else agrees with me in that. We seem to be in the minority thinking that way though.

But Jeremy strong's performance of Kendall might be my favourite acting performances of someone in any show.

 

[Arzak]

We are watching morons be morons.

Shanahan hired Treliving. Treliving kept Keefe and brought in all those cruddy players. Over ten percent of the season has passed and the Leafs aren't even in a playoffs position.

For a team that is supposed to be a contender.

The worst thing is their lack of pride in losing. They look as apathetic playing as fans have become watching. I know I've stopped caring about the actual on ice results.

Just marveling at how horribly bad everything has turned out.

Another bottom six that can't score. Another defense that can't defend. Another goaltending duo letting in over three goals a night.

Another shitty start to the season.

This is what happens when your president of hockey opeations is a moron. He hires other morons to work for him. So morons like me can watch them do moron things together.

A bunch of morons moroning the place up.

We had old school GM in Lou and ass old school coach in Babcock.

Love them, hate them, all we had to do was keep them in place for a bit longer and we would not have to deal with spoiled, entitled, overpaid players.


You don't teach kids hockey culture, they will create their own. The best part, Dubas faithful will try and shit on the supporting cast. Look how player X played in his previous destination and how he sucks now! How is that a core 4 issue?



Players comfort with team culture, we have one of not trying all that much and not fighting for one another. Any UFA coming in brings in good habits for a couple of games, just to have his soul sucked out in order to play proper Leaf hockey.

 

[weems]

I find it strange that Bertuzzi had no issues instantly clicking with the Bruins last year but he looks like an AHLer here so far.

I also like how freaking Shattenkirk is fitting in nicely with the Bruins this year. Seems like they can insert anyone and still have success while it's hit or miss here.

It's almost as if culture and coaching are super important things.

Boston is just awesome at this winning thing because they have implemented the right culture, have leaders that always play hard and have the overall expectation of sacrificing your own success for the greater good of the team.

Feels like we went the opposite direction where we basically gave our young stars everything they wanted and even bringing up the word "culture" was some big no no.

 

[rumman]

There is something missing with this bunch. I think it is fixable but Brad has to pull the trigger.

 

[rumman]

Imagine blaming a GM that was hired a month before free agency started lol. Meanwhile, that turd Dubas did squat in 5 years and is worshipped by his turd army

I’m applying the “Lou” rule, everything bad that happens with the Leafs for the next 6 years is Dubas’ fault, see how that works………

 

[rumman]

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I think I speak for the realist fans, we apologize to you Kyle.

Pittsburgh has a forum on this site……….

 

[BallardEra]

After 11 games last season:

5-4-2

32 goals scored, 32 allowed


After 11 games this season:

5-4-2

36 goals scored, 37 allowed

 

[Hellcat]

- Elite talent
- Terrible team

I said to start the season the Leafs would be two things, a team that takes a lot of stupid PIMs and a team competing for a wild card spot. This is the team who I thought they would be. I'm not going to dump on Keefe at this point, it's just too easy to shit on a man who is clearly on the path to being fired. Sometimes it's just time for a change. Coach Q time.

Put Bert on waivers what do you have to lose? A terrible LW that is making $5.5 mil? Someone besides Brad must think he's worth 5.5 mil. There are about 6 teams that have the space to claim him. Could Robertson / Steeves be any worse than Bad Bert? The only thing that gives Bert his ice time is his contract.

The Leafs are sloppy, playing panicked, there is zero thought to systematic play. The more they suck the more they gravitate towards ooh's ahhhs Sportsdesk highlight reel plays, and the more they F- up those impossible plays and the more they chase the game. that is not a system, that is individual elite talent. Great November records have covered for a team that TBH is really just mediocre, the talent is elite, the team is just mediocre. I said this a year ago and I said it two years ago, they make the playoffs off a great November record. This team has a poor Nov record and no coaching change they probably dont make the playoffs.

• Start with puck management, stop turning the puck over.
• If you cant score then make an impact defensively.
• If you cant make a play dont force it, play a quiet, unspectacular game.

Lets keep in mind Slugs played last night and only rolled two lines for the last 5 minutes of the game had more energy and more drive than the Leafs and outplayed a Leafs team that got punked THREE DAYS AGO, with three days to practices and work out the kinks, we got the last change at home and we still get out played by the Slugs

 

[thewave]

It's the D dummies. (That was to MLSE if they read)
The coach too!

 

[All Mod Cons]

I’m applying the “Lou” rule, everything bad that happens with the Leafs for the next 6 years is Dubas’ fault, see how that works………

Exactly. Brad has at least 3 years until anything can be attributed to him. At that point, he can be excused because it's actually Shanny blocking him from doing good things.

 

[GoonieFace]

Serious question, if Treliving inherited a depleted futures pool, what did Dubas inherit? Treliving has a bunch of NHL ready prospects.

F: Robertson, Holmberg, McMann, Knies, Abruzzesse, and Steeves could all play this year.
D: likely only Rifai and Timmins, but we had 5 NHL D signed.
G: Woll

Then in the pipeline there is Cowan, Minten, Niemela as top end guys and a bunch of other guys who are so-so...

Dubas actually inherited a terrible pool.

You just wrote a bunch of names here. How many of these guys are legit nhl ready players?
Holmberg is a 4th liner at best. Robertson is made of glass. McCann is a 27 year old .
Steeves might be ready.
Cowan was just drafted
Minten looked overwhelmed
Niemela isn’t ready

Not much to be excited about.

 

[All Mod Cons]

After 11 games last season:

5-4-2

32 goals scored, 32 allowed


After 11 games this season:

5-4-2

36 goals scored, 37 allowed

Yeah, but Dubas is awesome as f***.

 

[hullsy47]

Buffalo is on a back to back and they torch us for 6 goals. There is no defensive structure, there is no offence outside of The Big Four, fourth line is a disaster, and the free agents Pizza Boy signed are all trash.

I agree .MSLE HAS A BIG DECISION to make by American Thanksgiving
This team had 27 points by then last year
Msle owes its fanbase to blow this up .
Dubas had his faults but when he wanted shanahans job ,well he might have been right
Treliving is a tire fire

 

[rumman]

The greedy superstars reap the supporting cast they have sown.

Winner winner chicken dinner……..

 

[Nineteen67]

No surprises so far. They are what we thought they were going to be.

 

[thewave]

The greedy superstars reap the supporting cast they have sown.

They will understand... Someday... Maybe

 

[Nineteen67]

The greedy superstars reap the supporting cast they have sown.

This. You have to grow the supporting cast and they wasted too many drafts.

This. You have to grow the supporting cast and they wasted too many drafts.

 

[stats1]

Our D is putrid and it’s not even surprising. Reilly is top 4-5 on a contender, he’s maxed out here, Brodie is an abomination at the position. Klingberg was a waste of money, Keefe should not be an NHL coach. Reaves hasn’t done shit, Domi looks lost. This team is boring and garbage. Same shit every year

 

[rumman]

Exactly. Brad has at least 3 years until anything can be attributed to him. At that point, he can be excused because it's actually Shanny blocking him from doing good things.

I think the MLSE board selected Tre and he’ll replace Shanahan if this season doesn’t go well, makes sense if it actually is Shanahan making all these moves. Not a fan of puppet GM’s……….

 

[Jozay]

The only positive is Shanahan will finally be fired.

 

[thewave]

The only positive is Shanahan will finally be fired.

Will he though? Bell Rogers and Larry don't seem to know when to drop the hammer. MTL series was the time to do everything, it was obvious that things were going wrong. Unless they were the drivers of NuHockey the whole time and then we are perma-screwed.

The only thing that will fix this organization is a fan mutiny.

 

[horner]

Going back to the 2020 draft we had a chance to draft Guhle instead we took Amirov.
At that time we needed a top dman in the
system , today we are paying for that decision .
We have never looked after the D

Trading Marleau cap was a dumb move
I said back then that we should have taken a step back yr.

 

[thewave]

Going back to the 2020 draft we had a chance to draft Guhle instead we took Amirov.
At that time we needed a top dman in the
system , today we are paying for that decision .
We have never looked after the D

Trading Marleau cap was a dumb move
I said back then that we should have taken a step back yr.

You were right. I thought that as well, they went instant gratification route and followed whomever made the most outlandish promises.

 

[horner]

He was hired a month before UFA and was in talks for weeks prior to that where he had time to think about his ideas for the team.

He didn't know any of the prospects in the system

 

[Nineteen67]

Exactly. Brad has at least 3 years until anything can be attributed to him. At that point, he can be excused because it's actually Shanny blocking him from doing good things.

I don’t think he’ll be the GM in three yrs. If he’s given the opportunity to rebuild after this season then I think the window to win will never open. We saw what 5 yrs of mismanagement can do and this guy is worse than Dubas.