Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose to Bruins 4-1

[All Mod Cons]

Columbus series was like 3.5 years ago.

Jesus Christ this team is hard to watch, haha. Seems like double that time.

 

[MoreMogilny]

We don't have any top surface scoring either.

I mean Matthews, Marner, Nylander are all producing tremendously

I think people are under the assumption that these guys should carry every game. That just doesn’t work for good teams. The stars can’t do it all by themselves. The team around them is just too mediocre.

 

[SprDaVE]

surely they are just conserving all their powerful energy and they are totally gonna peak up when the playoffs start

surely

 

[JL17]

I remember that series. He looked like he was shot out of a gun. But then went on a multi year slump where it seemed like he might be a Taylor Hall kind of disappointment. But after a bunch of second round exits he had that press conference and just said “haven’t done jack shit in this league” and proceeded to win a cup.

His numbers are ridiculous in the playoffs. But he’s also wired much different the any Leaf.

 

[All Mod Cons]

This Leafs team is always waiting for other team to take a beating on their players, like Marchand taking out Knies...why can't they take the initiative and lay out the big hit first?

McCabe went full on Kadri right out of the gate.

 

[NVious]

surely they are just conserving all their powerful energy and they are totally gonna peak up when the playoffs start

surely

They've been conserving energy every playoffs, Matthews/Nylander/Marner/Rielly/Tavares about to go 3ppg with all the energy they've saved!

 

[leafsfan5]

They've been conserving energy every playoffs, Matthews/Nylander/Marner/Rielly/Tavares about to go 3ppg with all the energy they've saved!

Please remove Rielly from this list, he's a playoff superstar

 

[sittler rules!!!]

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PANSIES!!! ALL 4 of them. Make me sick.

 

[mjd1001]

I mean Matthews, Marner, Nylander are all producing tremendously

I think people are under the assumption that these guys should carry every game. That just doesn’t work for good teams. The stars can’t do it all by themselves. The team around them is just too mediocre.

On one hand I agree with you.

On the other hand, when your top 3-5 players are taking up so much of your cap space, the reason you are paying them that much is you NEED them to do it almost all by themselves because they didn't leave much money left for the rest of the team. Matthews at 11.6 (soon to be 13.2), Tavares at 11, Marner at almost 11, Nylander at 7 (soon to be over 11)......if you decide to pay them that much...No other team has that much money devoted to the top of the roster. They HAVE to do it themselves most of the time.

You have 5 guys taking up almost 58% of your cap space. its going to be higher next year. That leaves 42% of cap space for the remaining 18 or so players. The Leafs have to win games more with their top 5 than any other team in the league to be successful.

 

[Al14]

Edmunston to the Caps... 'Please take me back'

 

[thusk]

only leafs foward with positive XGF-xGA at even strenght last 2 game combined vs boston

Matthews, marner, kampf... thats it

 

[All Mod Cons]

I mean Matthews, Marner, Nylander are all producing tremendously

I think people are under the assumption that these guys should carry every game. That just doesn’t work for good teams. The stars can’t do it all by themselves. The team around them is just too mediocre.

The guys who get paid way more than most players in the NHL need to play better than most players in the NHL.

Our guys dissappear way, way, way too often in pressure situations. That can't be up for debate surely?

I don't like the idea of the peasants being asked to do what the rich can't, because the rich can't be arsed to get their hands dirty.

only leafs foward with positive XGF-xGA at even strenght last 2 game combined vs boston

Matthews, marner, kampf... thats it

That probably answers the question, is XGF-xGA a worthwhile stat to take into consideration?

 

[djdev]

the reason why the leafs wont ever win with these guys...
every cup champs best players lead their teams into battle (kuch, mckinnon, marchand etc etc etc)

this teams stars cant even be dragged into the fight.

 

[ashs]

glad we are going through this now.

 

[JamieG19]

Buddy this is year 8 of this core, 7 failures in the books. People aren't just mad this team didn't go 82-0

Dude....this is the NHL. Winning the Cup isn't easy. The margin between winning and losing is razor thin. Injuries, getting the bounces and some breaks. The Leafs are very capable of winning it all this year. Right now I'd rank the east as 1. Florida followed by the Toronto. And Colorado winning it all. But anything can happen.

The sky is falling crowd just comes out after the losses. There are so many positive things to take from this team. First and foremost being the Core 4 that we are blessed to watch on a nightly basis. Matthews is historic. Even the TSN Overdrive crew and Wayne Simmonds were gushing over every aspect of #34's game. They are never out of any game. They win the close games and overtime. They are deadly with the goalie pulled and needing a goal to tie. The power play strikes fear in opponents. They won 5 in a row without the team's best D-man! Our best goalie is still returning from injury and getting back into form and sure tonight wasn't his best night, but overall there's positive signs.

The bottom line is that the Leafs are an elite team with a Core 4 that is envy of the league and they are in an environment thanks to Keefe, Shanny and Tre that they thrive in and they're happy to be here showing their talent for our entertainment all year long.

After every loss the Sky Is Falling crowd rears their head to act like doom is upon us.

 

[MoreMogilny]

On one hand I agree with you.

On the other hand, when your top 3-5 players are taking up so much of your cap space, the reason you are paying them that much is you NEED them to do it almost all by themselves because they didn't leave much money left for the rest of the team. Matthews at 11.6 (soon to be 13.2), Tavares at 11, Marner at almost 11, Nylander at 7 (soon to be over 11)......if you decide to pay them that much...No other team has that much money devoted to the top of the roster. They HAVE to do it themselves most of the time.

You have 5 guys taking up almost 58% of your cap space. its going to be higher next year. That leaves 42% of cap space for the remaining 18 or so players. The Leafs have to win games more with their top 5 than any other team in the league to be successful.

That’s the position our GMs have put us in

I just don’t think it’ll ever be realistic for 3 or 4 guys to produce enough to win every game

There’s a decent amount of wasted cap on non producers

 

[Lemontree]

Matthews isn't going to score every game, sure. There are games he's going to be held pointless, it happens. You can still have a good game and be held pointless. Auston Matthews should f*cking dominate at least half of his shifts when he is going against a team that deploys Charlie Coyle, Pavel Zacha and Trent Frederic down the middle of the ice.

Matthews just looked like another skater out there tonight, you want the contract and all the notoriety that goes with it, you don't get to be just another skater when the game elevates (same goes for Marner and Nylander). For example, Nathan MacKinnon would have been a buzzsaw tonight, he would dominate almost every shif against those Bruin center icemen.

 

[MoreMogilny]

The guys who get paid way more than most players in the NHL need to play better than most players in the NHL.

Our guys dissappear way, way, way too often in pressure situations. That can't be up for debate surely?

I don't like the idea of the peasants being asked to do what the rich can't, because the rich can't be arsed to get their hands dirty.


That probably answers the question, is XGF-xGA a worthwhile stat to take into consideration?

The thing is it’s not like they aren’t producing. Matthews is on pace for 70 goals. All three of our top guys should be around 100 points. How much more can we ask for?

It’s Tavares that’s really in the dump right now

Brodie, Kampf, Reaves alone are all wasted cap that other teams are spending much more efficiently

 

[MSZ]

Dude....this is the NHL. Winning the Cup isn't easy. The margin between winning and losing is razor thin. Injuries, getting the bounces and some breaks. The Leafs are very capable of winning it all this year. Right now I'd rank the east as 1. Florida followed by the Toronto. And Colorado winning it all. But anything can happen.

The sky is falling crowd just comes out after the losses. There are so many positive things to take from this team. First and foremost being the Core 4 that we are blessed to watch on a nightly basis. Matthews is historic. Even the TSN Overdrive crew and Wayne Simmonds were gushing over every aspect of #34's game. They are never out of any game. They win the close games and overtime. They are deadly with the goalie pulled and needing a goal to tie. The power play strikes fear in opponents. They won 5 in a row without the team's best D-man! Our best goalie is still returning from injury and getting back into form and sure tonight wasn't his best night, but overall there's positive signs.

The bottom line is that the Leafs are an elite team with a Core 4 that is envy of the league and they are in an environment thanks to Keefe, Shanny and Tre that they thrive in and they're happy to be here showing their talent for our entertainment all year long.

After every loss the Sky Is Falling crowd rears their head to act like doom is upon us.

They won 12 games against eastern teams all year. 2nd worst in divisional record in the Atlantic. Swept by Boston and 1-3 against Ottawa.

Elite team? LMFAO

 

[ashs]

I'll keep telling myself that the regular season isn't the playoffs.

They didn't play like the playoffs

 

[Evilhomer]

That line is a huge problem in their own end.

It's untenable. They can't put that line out for 16 minutes in a playoff game.

 

[Stephen]

Matthews isn't going to score every game, sure. There are games he's going to be held pointless, it happens. You can still have a good game and be held pointless. Auston Matthews should f*cking dominate at least half of his shifts when he is going against a team that deploys Charlie Coyle, Pavel Zacha and Trent Frederic down the middle of the ice.

Matthews just looked like another skater out there tonight, you want the contract and all the notoriety that goes with it, you don't get to be just another skater when the game elevates (same goes for Marner and Nylander). For example, Nathan MacKinnon would have been a buzzsaw tonight, he would dominate almost every shif against those Bruin center icemen.

Matthews wasn’t really even shut down. He just never started up. And Boston is basically just throwing 3 Philip Danault’s out there.

There was the Philly game where he just came to life and scored a hat trick. I’m not asking for that level of dominance against another contender. But can you show 60% of that, get an asset on a greasy goal and then pop one late to make it a race to the finish line? Nothing. Just like the Florida series.

At that rate we would need to acquire a 60 goal scorer at the deadline to do Matthews’ job when it matters.

 

[All Mod Cons]

That’s the position our GMs have put us in

I just don’t think it’ll ever be realistic for 3 or 4 guys to produce enough to win every game

There’s a decent amount of wasted cap on non producers

So if it isn't realistic for 3 or 4 guys to produce enough to win every game, shouldn't we look at our stars or leaders to be paid less? That would give us more money to use with the supporting cast.

We would have to let Tavares walk and trade at least 1 or 2 of Marner, Matthews and Nylander though.

 

[thusk]

The guys who get paid way more than most players in the NHL need to play better than most players in the NHL.

Our guys dissappear way, way, way too often in pressure situations. That can't be up for debate surely?

I don't like the idea of the peasants being asked to do what the rich can't, because the rich can't be arsed to get their hands dirty.


That probably answers the question, is XGF-xGA a worthwhile stat to take into consideration?

just resume whats player did on the ice... when 75% of your player are in positive in those stats, that will put a lot of pressure on opposite special team and i guarantee you you will win over 90-95% of the time.

 

[NastyKnies]

Domi , Bert, Benoit, and McCabe. Build on these guys. The rest are a bunch of puss holes God dammit