Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose in SO

[Notsince67]

Nylanders defensive effort in overtime was the worst effort I've ever seen in my life. But he had a great game besides the overtime.
Samsonov had a bad game, Murray deserves to take over the net for the next while.

Nylander did well offensively for sure. Defensively, he also had zero effort on the Blues first goal (short handed) that began a play from behind trend

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander did well offensively for sure. Defensively, he also had zero effort on the Blues first goal (short handed) that began a play from behind trend

Yeah, on the shortie he was watching Mitch play defense, had he pressured the play it would have cut off the free ride and would/could have forced a turnover.

That 5 forward PP, not sure I want Nylander playing one of the pretend defensemen out there. Nor Bunting, nor Tavares ... leaves Mitch and Matthews to pick up those duties.

 

[Al14]

Tavares doing his usual disappearing act. 1 goal in his last 8. 2 on 1 late in the third and couldn’t beat binnington who was also bad today. 11 Million for what?

Is he turning into a very expensive Kerfoot??? LOL

 

[egd27]

I'm sick of the same 1st round meetings every year. I'm also very sick of seeing very good teams eliminated in the 1st & 2nd rounds every f***ing season now.

I really think the NHL needs to go back to the 1 through 8 playoff seeding. The teams that have great regular seasons should be rewarded by facing lower seeded teams.

When all the top teams in a conference are in the same division, they are punished unfairly IMHO.

1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5, in both conferences should be how it is!!!

JMHO!

If they finish 1st or 2nd in the Conference they get to play 7th or 8th. It's on them.

 

[ACC1224]

If they finish 1st or 2nd in the Conference they get to play 7th or 8th. It's on them.

Couldn't they finish 2nd and play the 3rd place team if all 3 come from the same division?

 

[Mess]

If they finish 1st or 2nd in the Conference they get to play 7th or 8th. It's on them.

But to be more precise they need to finish ahead of Boston and Tampa Bay and win their own division the Atlantic.

Mathematically they can't finish ahead of the Metro Div winning team in the rankings any other way even with more points unless they're win their own Div.

Win their own Division otherwise it looking like its Tampa and then Boston.

 

[ULF_55]

But to be more precise they need to finish ahead of Boston and Tampa Bay and win their own division the Atlantic.

Mathematically they can't finish ahead of the Metro Div winning team in the rankings any other way even with more points unless they're win their own Div.

Win their own Division otherwise it looking like its Tampa and then Boston.

1. Tampa
2. Toronto
3. Boston

There you go.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Last night I watched a game of pond hockey from my seats .. for me I can't stand it .. makes me sick watching it .. zero defensive structure .. horrible play from defenders .. even worse tending .. as always it starts from da backend and when you have too many river boat gamblers playing D you always have trouble .. we were playing solid defensive D for quite some time but with personnel changes we have gone back to river boat gambling hockey .. watching Rielly get back to game shape in an NHL is flat out wrong .. love da guy but team can't afford it .. Sandin same sh*t too many terrible gambles .. sh*t even Gio was doing it last night .. it is not winning hockey folks .. taking out Timmins was a bad mistake .. i knew Keefer would do it but like I thought and mentioned it would hurt da team .. not smart coaching when you make vet moves rather than right moves but Keefer should have known .. and it wasn't even on Holl who actually played a simple game .. oh well it is only 1 game but we need to get back to smart simple defensive play

 

[Mess]

Leafs play has been slipping and their goaltending is starting to slip as well.

St. Louis missing their top 2 offensive forwards and Leafs decide they should try and beat them pond hockey style 6-5 and last goal wins,

This should've been a tight defense first game, limiting Blues chances and coming away with a 3-1 like the type of game they were playing last month,

 

[Notsince67]

Yeah, on the shortie he was watching Mitch play defense, had he pressured the play it would have cut off the free ride and would/could have forced a turnover.

That 5 forward PP, not sure I want Nylander playing one of the pretend defensemen out there. Nor Bunting, nor Tavares ... leaves Mitch and Matthews to pick up those duties.

Doesn't freak me out because we know Willy aint that guy and on balance he had a positive effect on the game.
Weakness that I felt was truly an issue was : goaltending from Sammy falling to earth as was the play of Jarnkrok...who can't shoulder the burden of a top line offensive production indefinitely. JT was away from the net too much trying to support mitch and he isn't good at it anymore. Jarnkrok just got in the way and offered zero value this game due to his style,
Maybe they should swap Bunting and Jarnkrok. Jarnkrok is better defensively, and Bunting is a better puck retriever. Might balance things out a bit.

 

[ULF_55]

Doesn't freak me out because we know Willy aint that guy and on balance he had a positive effect on the game.
Weakness that I felt was truly an issue was : goaltending from Sammy falling to earth as was the play of Jarnkrok...who can't shoulder the burden of a top line offensive production indefinitely. JT was away from the net too much trying to support mitch and he isn't good at it anymore. Jarnkrok just got in the way and offered zero value this game due to his style,
Maybe they should swap Bunting and Jarnkrok. Jarnkrok is better defensively, and Bunting is a better puck retriever. Might balance things out a bit.

I think there are going to be more auditions to the top 6 before they spend assets.
It has to be the right fit, more than has to be a top 6, IMO.
Bunting is an example, he brings the intangibles needed to play top 6, and he's always shown good hands in close.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Samsonov is getting better at English and now reading the hot takes in Toronto and is breaking under the pressure

Reality is… we also lit up their goalie.

Point taken. Next.

Nylanders return pass to Matthews was a beauty, and that goal was just sweet on one leg!

 

[notDatsyuk]

I like JT but he is not an $8M C anymore. He is more like a $3-4M C. He is done.

There are only 60 centers with as many or more ES points as JT. Even if you factor in that he's been playing with two of the best RW in the league, his value is probably still in the $4-6M range.

 

[Mess]

I think there are going to be more auditions to the top 6 before they spend assets.
It has to be the right fit, more than has to be a top 6, IMO.
Bunting is an example, he brings the intangibles needed to play top 6, and he's always shown good hands in close.

Zach Hyman would be real good in Leafs top 6 again. We know the fit is there on either of Leafs top lines.

I re-inserted him among Leafs point scorers to see how he would fit.

His 11 goals in 16 playoff games last year would really be of interest here for the Leafs this year.,

 

[notDatsyuk]

By most metrics and including JTs great faceoff winning% JT is a top 32 centre in the league which makes him a #1 centre still.

Other than faceoffs, PP, and shots taken, what are his #1C metrics?

When I saw him at the World Juniors I said "great hands, but only when he's not moving his feet at the same time".

I think that's still a valid assessment.

I don't think defensemen or goaltenders were the major issue last night.

In my opinion it was defensemen, goaltenders and forwards.

They got a point based on talent, not team.

And Leafs were only out goaltended in the shootout.

It was an all-around bad performance, by both teams.

Hard to win with only one line working.

 

[ACC1224]

Zach Hyman would be real good in Leafs top 6 again. We know the fit is there on either of Leafs top lines.

I re-inserted him among Leafs point scorers to see how he would fit.

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His 11 goals in 16 playoff games last year would really be of interest here for the Leafs this year.,

Yeah I was all for letting him walk at the time but that may have been a bad call at least in the short term.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Entertaining game of Shinny last night. The defensive play of both teams was sub par. Samsonov could have been better but he didn't have much help.

It seems our team commitment to defensive play has regressed as our blueline gets healthy.

 

[ULF_55]

Zach Hyman would be real good in Leafs top 6 again. We know the fit is there on either of Leafs top lines.

I re-inserted him among Leafs point scorers to see how he would fit.

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His 11 goals in 16 playoff games last year would really be of interest here for the Leafs this year.,

Yeah, he's not available.

He has a good thing in the no-pressure Oilers line-up.

As long a McDavid is scoring points, nothing else registers there.

 

[ULF_55]

Yeah I was all for letting him walk at the time but that may have been a bad call at least in the short term.

I think Bunting kind of shows, that a hard working player with some hands can fit into the Leafs top 6.
Again, in Edmonton he's a hard working player with some decent hands, and I don't see him doing as many wrap-around giveaways now.

 

[ULF_55]

Entertaining game of Shinny last night. The defensive play of both teams was sub par. Samsonov could have been better but he didn't have much help.

It seems our team commitment to defensive play has regressed as our blueline gets healthy.

Oh, that's just coincidence!

 

[ACC1224]

I think Bunting kind of shows, that a hard working player with some hands can fit into the Leafs top 6.
Again, in Edmonton he's a hard working player with some decent hands, and I don't see him doing as many wrap-around giveaways now.

Problem is they only have one Bunting.

 

[Dekes For Days]

There are only 60 centers with as many or more ES points as JT. Even if you factor in that he's been playing with two of the best RW in the league, his value is probably still in the $4-6M range.

Despite some bad puck luck 5v5, and a career worst OISH% and conversion relative to OIxGF that will correct itself as the season progresses, Tavares sits tied for 39th among centers (some of which aren't even centers) in 5v5 points, and is just a couple of points outside the top-25. He's also 7th in PP points, is playing well defensively, and is top of the league in faceoffs, but he doesn't have any empty net points so I guess he sucks. 4-6m lmao. Good lord.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Yeah I was all for letting him walk at the time but that may have been a bad call at least in the short term.

$$$$$$$ was the issue which could not be resolved with out sacrifice of others. So while I hear your comment, the decision at the time was actually easy.
If we don't win this year the cap is about to be our biggest enemy even more than it was.

 

[ACC1224]

$$$$$$$ was the issue which could not be resolved with out sacrifice of others. So while I hear your comment, the decision at the time was actually easy.
If we don't win this year the cap is about to be our biggest enemy even more than it was.

It was the contract length more so than the dollar amount.

 

[Jojalu]

Zach Hyman would be real good in Leafs top 6 again. We know the fit is there on either of Leafs top lines.

I re-inserted him among Leafs point scorers to see how he would fit.

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His 11 goals in 16 playoff games last year would really be of interest here for the Leafs this year.,

The issue was Hyman had 5 goals and 13 points in 32 playoff games with the Leafs.

They could have used his performance last year in anyone of the previous 5 years.