Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose in SO

[ULF_55]

Perhaps Sandin school the Leafs netminders in practice?

But perhaps that isn't difficult?

 

[ACC1224]

Perhaps Sandin school the Leafs netminders in practice?

But perhaps that isn't difficult?

Obviously he's shown some ability at it. He wasn't just randomly chosen.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

He was pretty bad on the Leivo goal.

He can't skate so he is not fast enough to pick up Leivo .. Gio should have eaten it or fired it up on glass .. he knows better .. but I know what you say he didn't even try

 

[TorMapleJays]

Sammy shut it down in the third and OT.
I’m ok with him.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I’m no Holl fan or hater tbh, but he was clearly a bigger problem than Gio last night imo. Slow reads, bad pinches mostly, some positional issues. He wasn’t alone, but he was not what I’d call fine

That is his capability .. issue is too many on here don't realize he can't skate either straight line speed or laterally on his edges .. he plays very very simple to his capabilities and then he can serve as a 6th/7th guy at league min

 

[notDatsyuk]

Think I read somewhere that Tavares rarely participates in shootouts. Some guys just aren't good at it while others excel, position IMO doesn't have a lot to do with it.

Did it really matter when Samsonov can't make a save anyway?

JT was 0-4 in his first two years here, and hasn't taken one since, but he was pretty good in NY (16-59).

It looked to me like Sandin had him beat with the deke, but didn't get the shot off fast enough.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Why would you think it's not the coaches?

The on-field players decide in football, but I'm pretty sure it's the coaches in hockey.

 

[ACC1224]

The on-field players decide in football, but I'm pretty sure it's the coaches in hockey.

I'd be very surprised if that were the case.

 

[notDatsyuk]

He's obviously worth more than either of you claimed.

You really think so? Agree to disagree then.

I'd be very surprised if that were the case.

It was mentioned several times during the World Cup and also at the Olympics.

There's a great little story about the Canadian penalty kick against the US at the Olympics. Sinclair was expected to take it, but she told the other player (can't think of her name) to. Totally threw off the US keeper, as she had only really studied Sinclair's trys. Goal!

 

[ACC1224]

You really think so? Agree to disagree then.


It was mentioned several times during the World Cup and also at the Olympics.

They would practice beforehand and the players would be informed on who would be taking them.
It wouldn't be up to them to decide at that moment.

 

[leafsfan5]

They should. If they played 1-8, as of today, the Leafs and Tampa would be playing either Washington or the Rangers, which would be a great.
Round two sets up much better, as well

Depressing fact of the day:

If the season ended today, the Leafs would finish 3rd in the NHL. A good accomplishment and a sign of a great team. Guess who their first round opponent would be?

The 4th ranked team in the NHL. This system is so shit

 

[notDatsyuk]

They would practice beforehand and the players would be informed on who would be taking them.
It wouldn't be up to them to decide at that moment.

Not according to what I've heard from various sources, but ....

 

[ACC1224]

Not according to what I've heard from various sources, but ....

Perhaps you misheard, it makes no sense.

 

[The Iceman]

Other than faceoffs, PP, and shots taken, what are his #1C metrics?

When I saw him at the World Juniors I said "great hands, but only when he's not moving his feet at the same time".

I think that's still a valid assessment.


Hard to win with only one line working.

25th in centre points
21st in centre goals

Both top 32 in the league

 

[IPS]

Depressing fact of the day:

If the season ended today, the Leafs would finish 3rd in the NHL. A good accomplishment and a sign of a great team. Guess who their first round opponent would be?

The 4th ranked team in the NHL. This system is so shit

This new playoff system has f***ed the Leafs over bad a few years.

2018 playoffs, Leafs finish 4th in the East and 7th overall in the league and they get... the 112 point 4th overall Bruins.

2019 playoffs, Leafs finish 5th in the East and 7th overall again, and they get the 2nd overall Bruins.

2022 playoffs, 115 point season, 4th overall in the league, 2nd in the East, and they draw the 110 point 8th overall Lightning.

I'm not excusing them at all, cause they did have easy matchups in the playoffs and they f***ed it up royally, but this playoff system has got to f***ing go already.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Perhaps you misheard, it makes no sense.

Both heard and read several times.

It does make sense, as the players know each other well, and the coach isn't right there the same way as in hockey.

 

[Notsince67]

Yeah, he's not available.

He has a good thing in the no-pressure Oilers line-up.

As long a McDavid is scoring points, nothing else registers there.

No pressure golfing in the post season if things continue with the oilers

 

[mikeyz]

Depressing fact of the day:

If the season ended today, the Leafs would finish 3rd in the NHL. A good accomplishment and a sign of a great team. Guess who their first round opponent would be?

The 4th ranked team in the NHL. This system is so shit

So this is the excuse and the free pass the team will get if they lose in the 1st round again?

BTW, we lost to the Habs 2 years ago. We are in no position to be complaining about the playoff format/system.

 

[notDatsyuk]

25th in centre points
21st in centre goals

Both top 32 in the league

I did say 'other than PP '.

Even strength goals - tied for 44th among centres
Even strength points - tied for 52nd among centres.

 

[leafsfan5]

So this is the excuse and the free pass the team will get if they lose in the 1st round again?

BTW, we lost to the Habs 2 years ago. We are in no position to be complaining about the playoff format/system.

It's not an excuse if it's a valid critique lol

If the Leafs don't win a couple of rounds it's a failure and change will need to happen. But it's also fair to state they (and TB) have quite literally the hardest path to the cup out of any team in the NHL

The Habs are the one instance where the Leafs had a weak opponent and blew it. That doesn't mean they should be subjected to unfairly having elite first round opponents for the rest of time

 

[Notsince67]

He's obviously worth more than either of you claimed.

He is receiving 7.95mm this year in salary which is about right.
I'm guessing a renewal of 5-7mm depending on term...7mm being for 1 year

 

[Notsince67]

He can't skate so he is not fast enough to pick up Leivo .. Gio should have eaten it or fired it up on glass .. he knows better .. but I know what you say he didn't even try

He is worse with his stick. Sometimes I think it just gets in his way and he should just play without one.

 

[therealkoho]

This loss cannot be hung on any of the Leafs "target player's," Kerfoot, Holl, Engvall or JT, none of those players were the cause for the loss.

That loss is directly attributable to a poor quality netminding effort. Sammy seems like a good kid but I saw a lot of Gentlemen James stuff going on, deep in his net too much, trying to play goal while constantly on his knees which leads to swimming, and a horribly wide open 5 hole. The five hole he can correct with better deployment of his goal stick. The deep in the net stuff is all about confidence, and just like Reimer as soon as he gets out to the top of his crease he's a way better than average goaltender.


The 2 line struggled at times and couldn't bury the chances they created which btw were quite a few, the key however is not burying those chances.

 

[Sniper99]

Shootout is a coin flip but we should’ve outright beat these guys with them missing O’Reilly and Tarasenko. Samsonov really screwed the pooch.

Doesnt help with Shithead Keefe putting Sandin in the shootout this early. Sandin probably cant remember the last time he had a breakaway.

 

[notDatsyuk]

He is receiving 7.95mm this year in salary which is about right.
I'm guessing a renewal of 5-7mm depending on term...7mm being for 1 year

Assuming you consider his $15.9M salary his first year here 'about right' , then $7.95M this year is too.

Your lower end (5-6) is about the most I'd consider for a renewal.