Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose in OT 4-3

[GQS]

You know it's bad when Dangle isn't upset anymore.

Dangle definitely upset after tonight's loss to the Ducks in his video. Calling for changes because this group can't get it done.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

what could marners value be?

Could we get a good 2nd line winger + top 4 dman + picks?

Ideally, we trade Marner and a depth guy (Aube-Kubel, Aston-Reese, Engvall, Holl) for a legit top 6 guy that isn't old and isn't an upcoming UFA, a "just okay" depth guy that makes too much money but is an upcoming UFA (this is to make the deal work with the cap), and a REALLY good prospect or 1st rounder, and maybe even another half-decent prospect or 2nd rounder).

If we traded him in the offseason, more teams would be interested and we MIGHT get more in the trade.

New Jersey, NY Islanders, Nashville, St Louis are probably interested. There are other teams that I imagine might be interested if we are willing to take a player back in the trade that they HAVE to include to make it work... Buffalo (Jeff Skinner), Philadelphia (James van Riemsdyk), Winnipeg (Blake Wheeler), Los Angeles (Iafallo and Walker), Vancouver (Tyler Myers and/or one of Boeser Garland).

 

[ZEBROA]

Remember when this absolute beauty was a Leaf?

He would only sit in the box this era.

 

[DankinIT]

Outshot, outplayed and outworked for 2/3 periods against the worst team to start the season is a pathetic. 4 points on this road trip is pathetic.

Mitch saying "Well last season we started worst" is pathetic, he must have blinders on because watching this team is worst than last season.

I don't know, man.

 

[ZEBROA]

I'm impossible to offend for future reference

Nah nice try, you must get offended watching the Leafs

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Also, Kallgren should only start 1 game over the next 5 contests. f*** this load management for Samsonov. Run with him now and see if he's a viable option for the present and future. Kallgren is not it and while I've defended him due to the teams consistent piss poor efforts in front of him at a certain point the numbers don't lie. He's not an option so if he's going to suit up again it better only be because of a back to back situation.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

Give them all the coaches.

Dubas had to give up a pick to move Marleau, a lou signing. Lou was/is a mediocre GM at best. If I'm being brutally honest, Lou is a shit GM who's still riding the coattails and reputation of those 90's Devils teams. Easily the most overrated GM in my mind. He got incredibly lucky with scouting, same as Holland.

The only reason Dubas had to give away a draft pick is because he veered from the plan.

The plan was 5 years of pain, remember? They called it the "Shanaplan". They hired hard ass Babcock as a coach, and they had hard ass Lou as GM. They brought in Marleau to be an example of professionalism for their young, up-and-coming superstars.

They only needed to unload Marleau after getting 11 million dollar captain Johnny, and over paying Marner.


Not sure why you insist on hating Lou. He did lots for Toronto, especially with the Toronto media, which has been getting worse lately. You call him a shit GM who got lucky with scouting, but he's won 2 of the most recent 3 GM of the year awards- that's a lot of luck.

 

[capfit9]

 

[Antropovsky]

Yup, more of the same by Dubas..... Hutchinson wasn't either and it cost Babs his job.

 

[Antropovsky]

The only reason Dubas had to give away a draft pick is because he veered from the plan.

The plan was 5 years of pain, remember? They called it the "Shanaplan". They hired hard ass Babcock as a coach, and they had hard ass Lou as GM. They brought in Marleau to be an example of professionalism for their young, up-and-coming superstars.

They only needed to unload Marleau after getting 11 million dollar captain Johnny, and over paying Marner.


Not sure why you insist on hating Lou. He did lots for Toronto, especially with the Toronto media, which has been getting worse lately. You call him a shit GM who got lucky with scouting, but he's won 2 of the most recent 3 GM of the year awards- that's a lot of luck.

Give them all the coaches.

Dubas had to give up a pick to move Marleau, a lou signing. Lou was/is a mediocre GM at best. If I'm being brutally honest, Lou is a shit GM who's still riding the coattails and reputation of those 90's Devils teams. Easily the most overrated GM in my mind. He got incredibly lucky with scouting, same as Holland.

....... you have to be good to be lucky. Pretty sure Islanders ownership are ecstatic with what he's done for the islanders. They weren't a playoff team when Lou took over and in the first four years they have been to round 3 twice and round 2 once.... Dubas took over a playoff team and hasn't won a single round.

 

[ChadBigly]

I don’t think it matters who the captain is on this team with this current team we have. Matthews, Marner or whoever is captain the same stuff would still be happening.

I dunno, the Tavares led Leafs look a lot like the Tavares led Isles. No heart, no fire, no grit, no sticking up for your teammates. They just slump their shoulders and give up. They just roll over when the going gets tough. Exactly like the islanders used to do. He is your veteran leadership. He is your captain. He's the guy they're supposed to be learning how to be proper pro's from. He's supposed to be the strongest voice in the room.

but every embarrassing loss it's the same thing - "you just gotta take the positives" "you just gotta put it behind you" the same robotic shit over and over, and nothing changes. They never actually learn these "lessons" they supposedly keep learning, they just pay lip service to the idea that there's something to learn.

I mean teams take on the personalities of their top players yeah? As go your stars, so goes your team... I think his personality plays a huge part in this.

I remember Rob Schremp after he left the league was asked about Tavares, he said - "he's the ultimate 'I did my job' player"

A lot of people said at the time "oh sour grapes 'cause he's not in the league" and other nonsensical "hE's JuST JeaLOuS!" tier takes - but I think that was a really telling bit of information, from a player who is no longer compelled to hold his tongue.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Just watched Sheldon's post game presser. He looked and sounded like a guy who knows he just lost his job.

There is no joy, glee or gloating that should go along with this. Dubas will be on notice because there's now another coach sitting at home getting paid, Babcock being the first of course.

If it's Barry Trotz the players should be aware that Dubas will no longer have the power to embarrass a coach by parading him in front of the press and apologize for being a big meanie to those well paid gentle little flowers in the Leafs room. The new coach will have a whip and those players who resist will feel its lash, no more will that room be run by the players. Kyle's progressive mollycodling days are at an end.

They either get it together or get out of town, time to grow up, it's come down to this and they've earned it.

If Trotz is hired (and I hope he is), I would think Dubas will have been fired, because there’s no way he’s the GM if Trotz is the coach.

 

[francis246]

I dunno, the Tavares led Leafs look a lot like the Tavares led Isles. No heart, no fire, no grit, no sticking up for your teammates. They just slump their shoulders and give up. They just roll over when the going gets tough. Exactly like the islanders used to do. He is your veteran leadership. He is your captain. He's the guy they're supposed to be learning how to be proper pro's from. He's supposed to be the strongest voice in the room.

but every embarrassing loss it's the same thing - "you just gotta take the positives" "you just gotta put it behind you" the same robotic shit over and over, and nothing changes. They never actually learn these "lessons" they supposedly keep learning, they just pay lip service to the idea that there's something to learn.

I mean teams take on the personalities of their top players yeah? As go your stars, so goes your team... I think his personality plays a huge part in this.

I remember Rob Schremp after he left the league was asked about Tavares, he said - "he's the ultimate 'I did my job' player"

A lot of people said at the time "oh sour grapes 'cause he's not in the league" and other nonsensical "hE's JuST JeaLOuS!" tier takes - but I think that was a really telling bit of information, from a player who is no longer compelled to hold his tongue.

There are also a lot of former islanders who liked JT and thought he was a good leader and they just felt Garth Snow iced bad teams. The reality is we are not in the room. We have no idea, we are all making assumptions. JT could be a great leader but the core itself isn’t an emotional group. Or JT could be very uninspiring like you said. We will never know.

What we do know is this team in general has lacked passion. It’s an organizational issue. This has stemmed way before JT arrived. It’s been an organizational deficiency for decades.

That’s kind of why I wish they gave Brian Burke a little more time because I think he was trying to bring in players who had that type of passion. But he set himself so far back with that Kessel trade.

 

[ChadBigly]

There are also a lot of former islanders who liked JT

So did Schremp. It wasn't really said with malice. Absolutely nobody dislikes Tavares. He's very obviously a really nice guy. But maybe that's the problem.

I certainly don't remember Matthews and Marner lacking emotion in the early going.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

I'd love to blame Keefe but this team has already played the "blame the coach" card. Imagine paying money to watch this team? Shit is embarrassing.

You say that yet the rink will be full every single home game... It's a status thing to be at a Leafs game in Toronto very few actually care about the state of the team just that they can be seen

 

[Stamkos4life]

The only reason Dubas had to give away a draft pick is because he veered from the plan.

The plan was 5 years of pain, remember? They called it the "Shanaplan". They hired hard ass Babcock as a coach, and they had hard ass Lou as GM. They brought in Marleau to be an example of professionalism for their young, up-and-coming superstars.

They only needed to unload Marleau after getting 11 million dollar captain Johnny, and over paying Marner.


Not sure why you insist on hating Lou. He did lots for Toronto, especially with the Toronto media, which has been getting worse lately. You call him a shit GM who got lucky with scouting, but he's won 2 of the most recent 3 GM of the year awards- that's a lot of luck.

I notice the dubas fan boys like to say Lou is lucky and dubas is unlucky but that Lou sucks and dubas is amazing.

A bit strange when one has 2x gm of the year awards in the last 3 and the other has nothing.

 

[francis246]

So did Schremp. It wasn't really said with malice. Absolutely nobody dislikes Tavares. He's very obviously a really nice guy. But maybe that's the problem.

I certainly don't remember Matthews and Marner lacking emotion in the early going.

I personally don’t think Marner lacks emotion, I think Matthews has gotten a bit more stoic. But I also think this market doesn’t know what it wants. If these guys celly hard after every goal you get people in the media & fans who will question why they feel need to do that. If they don’t show emotion, you get fans/media who question their passion.

Toronto is a crazy place to play. Ultimately they just need to win and all problems are solved IMO. Win some rounds and build momentum

 

[snipes29]

Congrats Leafs! You blew a lead against the worst team in the league!! Great follow up to your pathetic loss against the second worst team in the league!

Let's face it - this team has no pride. Blow it up.

No no I believe in this Core, besides”Kyle has built a good team” lmao

We are playing bad teams here guys.

We can’t even put away bottom feeders

Ditch Keefe now and hope to salvage the year

Apart from that the core has run out of time.

yep

I notice the dubas fan boys like to say Lou is lucky and dubas is unlucky but that Lou sucks and dubas is amazing.

A bit strange when one has 2x gm of the year awards in the last 3 and the other has nothing.

Very very true

 

[snipes29]

So did Schremp. It wasn't really said with malice. Absolutely nobody dislikes Tavares. He's very obviously a really nice guy. But maybe that's the problem.

I certainly don't remember Matthews and Marner lacking emotion in the early going.

Tavares overpayed prima donna also but he can do no wrong with Keefe and Dumbass

 

[Racer88]

Marner blaming people for putting shambles in his brain. What a fool

 

[snipes29]

If Trotz is hired (and I hope he is), I would think Dubas will have been fired, because there’s no way he’s the GM if Trotz is the coach.

No decent coach would want the job under Shannys super boy Dumbass

 

[ChadBigly]

Tavares overpayed prima donna also but he can do no wrong with Keefe and Dumbass

I don't think he's a prima donna. That would be AM and MM. Tavares is a hard worker, and he says all the right things. But he's just saying the right things. Fits right in with Keefe and Dubas' philosophy.

 

[snipes29]

Yup, more of the same by Dubas..... Hutchinson wasn't either and it cost Babs his job.

Kyle get the Zamboni driver back! Lmao you farce!

 

[daveleaf]

I've said this from day 1 that Dubas was not the guy to lead this team and each year it gets worse. Our goalie situation has gotten worse each year, our grit and toughness has gotten worse each year. Everyone can see now Babcock was right. It was Mariner that ratted and he is the guttless individual that is apparently our leader. The only guy that stuck up for anyone on this team and himself, Kadri. He is gone, has a stanley cup ring. This team is made up with a bunch of soft players-like Bunting and Holl. All yap and can't stand behind anything.

Fire Dubas immediately since he is just a sitting duck. Fire Keefe and hire Trotz. Shanny take over for the rest of the year cause you let this idiot carry on long enough.

This is horrid. Even when Leaf teams were bad we had heart, They don't fire Keefe they miss the playoffs-he's useless.

 

[Jojalu]

No decent coach would want the job under Shannys super boy Dumbass

I don't think this is factual at all.

Regardless on how you feel about him he is indeed rrspected for being a good guy and someone who takes care of his employees.

If they brought in Trotz it might fo Dubas some good if he listened to him in regards to roster construction.

I don't fault Dubas gor being loyal. It is an honorable trait. It just doesn't seem to translate to on ice success in the playoffs