Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 7-3

[Bong Whisperer]

How much did those seats cost to watch that debacle?

 

[hamzarocks]

Game 2 has to be a dominant 60 minute effort

This team is better then Tampa like a lot

They got to stop f***ing around and playing down.

Tampa shouldn't take this series. We have the players to win this series. The organization needs to shed the ch9ker label

 

[Twine Tickler]

Re: Home Ice

Tampa Bay can now win 3 games at home with the advantage of home ice and this series could be over in 6.

If Tampa Bay wins game #2 the series could be over in 4 if Tampa never relinquishes home ice again.

It sure feels like Leafs are further behind in the series when home ice is the measuring stick.

I understand the saying that we lost home ice advantage. I didn't need an explanation as to what that meant. What I was alluding to is that it places a more dire connotation to the outlook of the series. As true as the saying may be in context.

The fact of the matter is, they need to win 3 more games against a very good Maple Leafs team. This is no where close to over, and to say we lost anything other then game 1 is putting undue negativity on the situation IMO. You cannot lose a series in game 1.

 

[67leafs]

What gets me is there was no sending a message for game 2. It’s almost like they are scared of the veteran TBL team……..I don’t get it!

 

[notDatsyuk]

In what can only be called a classic Leaf playoff game, the Leafs did what Leafs do. Choke in epic fashion.

We've known for about 5 months we would be playing Tampa. We were playing at home. Our cement head of a coach puts out our 3rd , then 4th line, AT HOME to start the game and we get scored on. We play a season to win home ice, to determine who we want on the ice and Keefe decides I want my 3rd line and 4th line on the ice to start the game, with a Rocket Richard winner, a 99 point guy a 40 goal guy and a former Conn Smythe and Selke winner and a ppg 2nd line center on the bench. Jebus!

We knew the refs would be looking for us and we take EIGHT PIM's, almost a full period short handed, was there any discussion about playing with in the lines of the game?

In every possible way we were not prepared to play, we had almost a week of rest to prepare for Tampa and we looked like we were on a moonshine bender for the last week.

I eye balled this, I might have made a couple of errors. This tells us we were either grossly not prepared and chasing the game or the refs clearly had an agenda. The refs call a couple of late ones against TB to make it look like the game was not called as lop sided as it was. I think we were simply not prepared to play the game as it was going to be called and played tonight.

Toronto 8 penalties

Dallas 7 penalties
Minny 7 penalties
Edmonton 7 penalties

NYI 4 penalties
Carolina 4 penalties
LA 4 penalties
Rangers 4 penalties
TB 4 penalties

NJ 3 penalties
Jets 3 penalties
LV 3 penalties
Colorado 3 penalties

Florida 2 penalties
Boston 2 penalties
Seattle 2 penalties

Except for Bunting's really dumb play, most of our penalties came because we lost position one-on-one.

Credit Tampa for outplaying us and earning them, rather than blaming the refs.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Honestly weren't they booing the refs more at this point? Kuch just scored off a Power Play.

 

[notbias]

Except for Bunting's really dumb play, most of our penalties came because we lost position one-on-one.

Credit Tampa for outplaying us and earning them, rather than blaming the refs.

 

[TMLegend]

It absolutely matters.
If it was a hard fought 3-2 loss do you think there would be the same amount of concern?

Not just that. The lack of fight in them when the game was over after the 2nd period was appalling.

They laid down and accepted defeat yesterday. No fight at all.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Lmao did you actually just write that you were on the brink of giving up on our core at 21/22 years old? I’m sorry, that’s ridiculous. The earliest consideration should have been the Montreal debacle

I myself had already determined that the young core don't have that "big game" killer instinct. I have the posts from back then to prove it.

I know that when you're at 6 (and possibly soon 7) straight 1st round losses, losing 3 first rounds in a row seems like nothing. But that's not really true. Already on these forums the "first round leafs" had become a meme. A lot of people were already saying things like "Let's give them one more go and if it doesn't work trade one of the elite young forwards for an elite young D." I was on that train since the 2019 Boston series loss.

 

[saffronleaf]

fans should have thrown jerseys onto the ice every puck stoppage in the third.

 

[Notsince67]

But it is not a SPEED bump it is a lack of SPEED from our top players who got caved every shift 5on5 all game long .. SPEED kills .. it kills Mitch's dekeing and passing game as he has no time and space with puck rendering him useless .. Matty couldn't keep up to either Cirelli or Point they skated circles around him all night long .. no team can have ice tilted that badly in a game and have any hope of winning .. if Tampa bring that speed for 3 more games it is over and it doesn't matter who plays goal and/or who coaches

Except this isnt true at all. Marner and Matthews generated chances at a far greater rate relative to their matchups than anyone in the game.
They weren't unopposed but some context is important here
Did they play to their potential?....no but they werent being owned either. This is just revisionist bullshit.

 

[ACC1224]

I doubt Colorado fans or NJ fans are overreacting like we are

Glad you used 'we' because you are.

 

[saffronleaf]

I myself had already determined that the young core don't have that "big game" killer instinct. I have the posts from back then to prove it.

I know that when you're at 6 (and possibly soon 7) straight 1st round losses, losing 3 first rounds in a row seems like nothing. But that's not really true. Already on these forums the "first round leafs" had become a meme. A lot of people were already saying things like "Let's give them one more go and if it doesn't work trade one of the elite young forwards for an elite young D." I was on that train since the 2019 Boston series loss.

kudos to you for recognizing that early but if anyone had any doubts after the montreal debacle then that's on them for being so blind to reality.

 

[Mugzy97]

Fans are supposed to be passionate, no?

There’s passion and then there’s acting like a child and/or over-dissecting a single game

Glad you used 'we' because you are.

I used we because Leafs fans get clumped together. I am not overreacting but the majority definitely is.

 

[notbias]

Not just that. The lack of fight in them when the game was over after the 2nd period was appalling.

They laid down and accepted defeat yesterday. No fight at all.

This was the most annoying part of last night.

Playing badly is one thing, that third period is a whole other issue.

 

[ACC1224]

Except for Bunting's really dumb play, most of our penalties came because we lost position one-on-one.

Credit Tampa for outplaying us and earning them, rather than blaming the refs.

Blaming the refs for the loss just displays a lack of understanding what you're watching.

There’s passion and then there’s acting like a child and/or over-dissecting a single game


I used we because Leafs fans get clumped together. I am not overreacting but the majority definitely is.

So others are because you say they are and you're not because you say you're not?
Hard to argue with that logic.

 

[notbias]

Blaming the refs for the loss just displays a lack of understanding what you're watching.

Reffing can be bad, and we can also deserve to lose.

The reffing was pure trash. At least 25% of our calls were because they "thought they saw something".

If you want to explain the below videos, as to why they are penalties, please do, I am sure it is just a lack of understanding.

 

[Sypher04]

This was the most annoying part of last night.

Playing badly is one thing, that third period is a whole other.

Yeah. I can understand being demoralized by a 4 goal deficit and mentally checking out somewhat on chances of win, typically. However, the reason I think that is crap in terms of yesterday, is look at their D without Hedman and Cernak. If we impose our will on that group, we should be able to make them break. Maybe we don’t get there, but make it interesting. Even still, at the very least dial up the physicality in third

 

[notDatsyuk]

Did Keefe call a review on a goal that was already reviewed?

He challenged the goal on goalie interference. The problem is that after a review I don't think they ever change based on a challenge.

 

[weems]

I still can't get over Holl on the 1st goal of the game though lol Perry slowly gliding around the net, right into Holl's direction...just f***ing hit him and that goal doesn't happen. Instead he just aimlessly waves his stick at Perry as he lets him move to the front. I have actually defended Holl from time to time around here but that straight up can't happen.

That entire sequence was pretty hilarious.

He starts it off with a little touch pass to Giordano who's two feet away. Holl could have easily controlled the puck to his forehand and turn back towards the back of the net and skate the puck up the right wall. Both Bellmare and Maroon were being effectively blocked from easy pursuit.

As soon as he lets go of the pass, he starts zooming up the ice in the attempt to start some rush chance for. He was so aggressive with this that by the time Perry had control and was circling back, Holl was already past the top of the faceoff circle looking like a 3rd forward.

Even with being so far up the ice in the defensive zone, he still got back to the post in time to effectively stop Perry from any access to the front of the net but instead of laying the body or not taking a big risk, Holl goes for a lunging stick check and Perry pulls it around him full control.

You see a play like that from one of our big minute defencemen and it really makes you wonder where some of their mindsets are. He makes a pass to GIO that ends up loose and his first though is to cheat up the ice for offence instead of making 100% sure that puck gets out of the zone or danger.

He does some things well and is useful but also has too many moments where his mishaps absolutely sink your team.

 

[Notsince67]

Blaming the refs for the loss just displays a lack of understanding what you're watching.


So others are because you say they are and you're not because you say you're not?
Hard to argue with that logic.

Blaming Marner and Matthews that they couldn't overcome 7 goals is worse. It is willfully obtuse and painfully ignorant.
Lots to manage on these boards it seems

 

[Sypher04]

We 100% deserved to lose. The Schenn and Kampf penalties were horrible phantom calls nonetheless. And there were some real headscratcher missed calls too.

Bunting deserved what he got for once lately and really single-handedly pooched the comeback effort

Sloppy start. Samsonov stunk. Coaching stunk. The stars had flashes but 5 on 5 were simply not good enough.

All we can do is put it behind us, move on to game 2 and get it done.

 

[Mugzy97]

So others are because you say they are and you're not because you say you're not?
Hard to argue with that logic.

Weird argument, there’s lots of proof of others overreacting and no proof that I have.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Except this isnt true at all. Marner and Matthews generated chances at a far greater rate relative to their matchups than anyone in the game.
They weren't unopposed but some context is important here
Did they play to their potential?....no but they werent being owned either. This is just revisionist bullshit.

Listen I was at game and there were 40 of us who all played in O or above and we all met a beer after game .. every single guy bar none said team was completely outskated all over ice on both 1st and 2nd lines .. it was a men against boys game my friend .. like taking candy from a baby .. no speed and even less compete .. Matty Mitch JT Rielly are flat out WAY WAY WAY TOO SLOW for playoff hockey .. they just don't have another gear

 

[Warden of the North]

Except for Bunting's really dumb play, most of our penalties came because we lost position one-on-one.

Credit Tampa for outplaying us and earning them, rather than blaming the refs.

Schenn and Kampf penalties were just flat out not penalties.