Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 5-2

[thewave]

Pride....the name of the jersey. You obviously do not know how hockey used to be played in th 60's, 70's, 80's....Marchand would have been beaten to a pulp....


If you can't see it then I dont know what to tell you...

Can't disagree with this. There is no fixing it either, it's mental. They can find it in themselves but if their level of care is more on video games, women etc. The results will end up the same as most past let downs.

 

[ULF_55]

You seem to get it....we have a "cyborg, heartless and gutless ' Captain and what appears to be a hamstrung (though in my opinion unqualified Coach) to inspire the troops. This team is very flawed. Can you imagine a Gilmour and or Clarke on this team?? I'd love to see Marchand after he got through with him....

IMO the team is very close, but it's missing that player in the top that just hates to lose.

Leafs are a nice team.

Heck, I'd even take an "Entertainer" at this point.

 

[geo25]

Sure thing boss!!

Btw are we at the top? I duno. Check the standings for me.

Its all a mirage....it'll be over in early April...just like every other year with this group....

IMO the team is very close, but it's missing that player in the top that just hates to lose.

Leafs are a nice team.

Heck, I'd even take an "Entertainer" at this point.

A Bradey (or somilar type players) or two would help. We need those types of players...talented & hate to lose....right on

 

[banks]

Its all a mirage....it'll be over in early April...just like every other year with this group....

Pessimism is just too easy. If you really believe they don't have a chance in April, what are you doing here in February?

It's a loss, and it wasn't even such a bad one. It was a close game until the last 10 minutes. Don't try and tell me those 10 minutes of hockey are enough for you to write the book on the whole year. Sheesh.

 

[Metroid]

Its all a mirage....it'll be over in early April...just like every other year with this group....

I dunno man, this sounds like you giving up... Sorta what you're saying our leafs team is doing..


But in a totally different Topic this is my first ever back and forth banter with another poster that lasted longer than 2-3 posts. For this I thank you for the experience. (For real)

Anyway.
I'll see ya in the 2nd round ;-)

Go leafs go!

 

[weems]

Can someone please explain this to me?

These are two different scoring chances that Brandon Carlo had last night.

He released the shot in almost the exact same area.

The first scoring chance was graded out as a 0.04 xG taken from 27 feet away whereas the second scoring chance was graded out as a 0.13 xG taken from 18 feet away.

First chance is the S on this chart and the second chance is the G

On the second scoring chance they classify it as a "Rebound" event but the rebound event occured at 7:39 or even 7:34 of the second and the goal scored was 7-12 seconds removed from the actual rebound. Carlo took a shot from the point, Liljegren had possession for a second and failed a clear and was grabbed by Lindholm, who takes a shot that hits traffic. Coyle retrieves puck feeds puck back to Lindholm who then passes it to Carlo. When Carlo actually gets the puck on his stick its now so far removed from the first or second rebound event its hilarious to grade this a rebound event.

Actually in the second scoring chance where Carlo actually scores, Sandin is partially in the shooting lane and Carlo grabbed the pass almost standing flat footed whereas the first scoring chance he was able to skate fully into the shot with no defender even close to the shooting lane.

You can easily make an argument that the first scoring chance was superior but somehow the expected goals for model says that the second chance was 3 times more likely to end up in a goal. To place these scoring chances a full 9 feet apart in distance is a total joke but it seems like something that is pretty common with these sites.

 

[geo25]

Pessimism is just too easy. If you really believe they don't have a chance in April, what are you doing here in February?

It's a loss, and it wasn't even such a bad one. It was a close game until the last 10 minutes. Don't try and tell me those 10 minutes of hockey are enough for you to write the book on the whole year. Sheesh.

I keep hoping....just like every Leafs fan. There are glimmers of hope, but that isnt enough.

I dunno man, this sounds like you giving up... Sorta what you're saying our leafs team is doing..


But in a totally different Topic this is my first ever back and forth banter with another poster that lasted longer than 2-3 posts. For this I thank you for the experience. (For real)

Anyway.
I'll see ya in the 2nd round ;-)

Go leafs go!

Hey, I hope you are right...GLG

 

[mjhfb]

How many 11 million dollar players does Boston have……none

Their 2nd line of Zacha-Krejci-Pastrnak totals about 11.
Their 1st line of Marchand-Bergeron-Debrusk totals little over 12.
However, this season's last hurrah will most likely be the end of discounts.

 

[ACC1224]

Simmonds played well I thought.

 

[ACC1224]

Imagine thinking the Leafs are right there with the Bruins because they both lost to Arizona.
True story.

FWIW, I thought they were pretty good for two periods then started vacation early.

 

[Duffman955]

Poor night for Samsonov







Sandin gets annihilated by any team that forchecks hard. I've seen way too many giveaways where he doesn't take a hit to make a play, and just coughs it up for a goal

It's happened in pivotal games in back to back playoffs. It showed again last night. He hasn't learned a thing

 

[ULF_55]

Boston big defence collapsed around Goalie and the Leafs were unable to battle in, yet the opposite happens in our end were our smaller D were collapsed.
This will be the playoffs
We need a bigger D and a heart and soul warrior on forward preferably 2 of them and not small
Were close but the final step needs change

Leafs bigger defenders:
Rielly - 6'1", 219 lbs.
Holl - 6'4", 210 lbs.

One probably thinks Jordie Benn is bigger, because of how he plays, but nope. 6'2", 200 lbs.
BIO from Capfriendly.

If it were just size, Rielly would be just as effective as any other 220 lb. defender.

Definitely, Brodie and Sandin are going to have a tougher time, in size match-ups, but Brodie holds his own as a veteran, and Sandin's 22, still in the development stage.

 

[wingman75]

You really think that was a winnable game .
Bostons bottom 6 is the best in the league.
If not for Sammy it would have been 3 - 0 Boston.
We were leaving there players open for clear looks.
I never thought we would have beat them in the first place.
Even with mathews we won't beat them.

Playing like that? Of course not.

We've seen the Leafs play much better through the season. On the right side of the puck, quick puck movements and no turnovers. That is what is needed to beat a team like that.

That game was there for the taking in the third. But the Leafs didn't do anything to take it, so they got what they deserved.

That was hardly their best effort tonight. And I don't know if this team can do what is necessary in a seven game series (history says no), but they can beat any team in a one off, with or without Matthews. Tonight was not that night.

 

[Stephen]

As someone who has gone to all 3 Leafs v Bruins games this season so far, I feel like I'm obliged to offer perspective that seems to be seriously lacking here right now.

The Leafs aren't close. There's no easy way to say it. The buds have been committed to building a long-term, sustainable project here, yet twice in recent weeks they've gone up against a division leading rival & have been completely incapable of competing at even strength.

I attended the last 2 games (1 in Boston, 1 in Toronto tonight), and on both occasions I've found myself begging the referees to throw the Leafs on the powerplay - that's the only way this team can compete. At 5v5, they just aren't a match against the top teams in the league including the division leaders.

I know there's many of you who are, at this point, holding out on blind faith that this team will somehow flick a magic switch come playoff time. I'm here to tell you that it simply won't happen. This group just isn't good enough. Watching them in person regularly in person, as I've been privileged to do this season, makes it crystal clear that they are miles away from where they should be, this many years into this project.

I always felt like if we surrounded the special talent around this core, protected their talent with a conventionally versatile support cast we would have a pretty compelling contending team. Game vs Boston everything 3rd line down, entire back end and goaltending all just felt so cheap and flimsy.

 

[ULF_55]

If were destined to be a contender but not a winner then ok. But to win you need to have changes to play tougher, harder or we will never win the SC

A young and healthy Jake Muzzin would fit in so well with this team.
Just one player who could play 20 minutes against the opponents top players.

I don't think on defense it would take more than that.
That player doesn't need play all 60 minutes, the best forwards are near the 20 minute mark.

Creates better match-ups the rest of the line-up.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Pride....the name of the jersey. You obviously do not know how hockey used to be played in th 60's, 70's, 80's....Marchand would have been beaten to a pulp....

You seem to have this skewed perception of hockey a half century ago, and worse, somehow expect things to be the same now.
This has nothing to do with pride. I'd much rather our players focus on the hockey game than focus on Marchand's bad attempts at trolling and give him exactly what he wants.
Marchand did a whole lot of nothing this game.

 

[geo25]

You seem to have this skewed perception of hockey a half century ago, and worse, somehow expect things to be the same now.
This has nothing to do with pride. I'd much rather our players focus on the hockey game than focus on Marchand's bad attempts at trolling and give him exactly what he wants.

Thats where you're wrong. Hockey just like every other competitive sport is about pride. The money will come if they're good. Thats why the players that want to win want their Names on the Cup. Hockey wasnt around a century and a half ago...get your head in order. Besides those so called ancient teams would devour this Leafs team of today. You have no idea what your talking about in terms of competitive sports. Now, if you're referring to entertainment then I see your logic...

 

[ULF_55]

Poor night for Samsonov

Sandin gets annihilated by any team that forchecks hard. I've seen way too many giveaways where he doesn't take a hit to make a play, and just coughs it up for a goal

It's happened in pivotal games in back to back playoffs. It showed again last night. He hasn't learned a thing

Which playoffs back to back are you talking about?

2020-2021 when he was 20 years old?

That's the only playoffs he's been in.

 

[Peace Frog]

Soft goals will kill ya.

That said: I’m not sure how anybody could see a real cup contender with the leafs this year. It’a a solid team, a good team, as usual, but outside of the rare game here or there it’s never a dominant looking group. Gotta be better than what we have now.

This exactly!

 

[ULF_55]

Simmonds played well I thought.

He looked like a depth NHL player, who could provide some minutes in an support role.
He's at the opposite end of trying to become a NHLer.

 

[Hellcat]

IMO the team is very close, but it's missing that player in the top that just hates to lose.

Leafs are a nice team.

Heck, I'd even take an "Entertainer" at this point.

Great result last night. LOVED IT!!!!

The brass got to see what a hungry team looks like. We have more skilled players but Boston skated circles around us. It looked like the Bruins were the Harlem Globetrotters and Toronto was an under 15 girls team. I sure hope the brass does not excuse this game as a, "Hey its the game before the All Star break, everyone is distracted, Oh well." I hope they use this game as a "Hey its the game before the All Star break, everyone is distracted, unacceptable to not be focused on this game!!!"

The playbook on how to win the cup can't be any more simple, we have to beat Tampa in Round 1 and Boston in Round 2. So you target players that have historically played well vs Boston and Tampa. That is the easy part, the hard part is having the stones to do what you need to do to get those players, because it may cost you your future. I mean how many team KNOW who they are playing in the first two rounds? Three teams know. Boston, Tampa and Toronto.

I'm sure I'm not the only person who knows what Boston is going to do:

1) When the other team has the puck, control the puck along the boards, no team in the NHL is as good along the boards as Boston. They don't allow you to clear the puck along the boards, they dont allow you to chip the puck along the boards, they dont allow you to use the boards to pass the puck, they own the boards.

2) When they have possession they look to put the puck into open ice. If you don't have the puck you go to open ice, the puck carrier knows if the ice is open, someone will be there.

3) On a rush, there is always a trailer up high in the middle of the ice, ALWAYS!!!!

4) If they are wide, they will ALWAYS cross seam pass the puck, ALWAYS!!!

If a dummy like me can see this, WTF was Keefe doing last night? He had 4 days to prepare for this game, our team looked like they were surprised that Boston was doing Boston things. TBH watch the Hossa/Spezza/Havlat Sens teams a few decades ago, this Boston team plays exactly like them.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Thats where you're wrong. Hockey just like every other competitive sport is about pride. The money will come if they're good. Thats why the players that want to win want their Names on the Cup. Hockey wasnt around a century and a half ago...get your head in order. Besides those so called ancient teams would devour this Leafs team of today. You have no idea what your talking about in terms of competitive sports. Now, if you're referring to entertainment then I see your logic...

This has nothing to do with pride. Our team has tons of pride. This has to do with you wanting to see somebody get beat up because you had your feelings hurt by something stupid he said in warmup that wasn't even true. That would just be giving him the attention he's craving, and hurt our team - playing right into what he wants.

I said a half century, not a century and a half. That means half of a century. 50 years. You seem to be stuck there, gushing with hazy nostalgia for teams that would get absolutely destroyed by the teams of today. I recommend joining the rest of us in 2023.

 

[Mess]

That Marchant video is so telling. An entire room full of journalists explodes in laughter when he suggests the only leaf player that chirps back is Marner, but he's talking about video games, his dog, and his pink skates.

That's this cores reputation. And not by fans, but by players. The team is a soft spoiled joke.

And last nights game was indicative of that.

Marchand's super pest chirping was right on point unfortunately and a lot of truth within his words.

There are many Leaf fans that agree with his sentiment that Leafs players went for the money and not the success, and a team like Boston who have top players taking less have more playoff success as a result.

 

[Hellcat]

Poor night for Samsonov







Sandin gets annihilated by any team that forchecks hard. I've seen way too many giveaways where he doesn't take a hit to make a play, and just coughs it up for a goal

It's happened in pivotal games in back to back playoffs. It showed again last night. He hasn't learned a thing

This Sandin guy as I'm told has amazing defensive metrics. This Sandin guy skates himself into the corner, hit's the boards falls down and loses the puck to the one guy on the ice that you cant lose the puck to. What metric do I look at to see those 17 errors?

Sandin's play, I use the word "play" liberally, resulted in two goals against. We cant have d core with Sandin and Reilly both in it. We can have one but not two, they both look over matched and indecisive out there.

 

[geo25]

This has nothing to do with pride. Our team has tons of pride. This has to do with you wanting to see somebody get beat up because you had your feelings hurt by something stupid he said in warmup that wasn't even true. That would just be giving him the attention he's craving, and hurt our team - playing right into what he wants.

I said a half century, not a century and a half. That means half of a century. 50 years. You seem to be stuck there, gushing with hazy nostalgia for teams that would get absolutely destroyed by the teams of today. I recommend joining the rest of us in 2023.

That so called nostalgia is warranted when you team is winning cups in style, when players, coaches & mgrs were held accountable...when players had second jobs in the summer because hockey earnings weren't enough....you are so wrong. Those teams would go through brick walls to win. Today's Leafs team couldnt hold any of their jockstraps. So, lets just agree to differ...different times and obviously different expectations.