Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 4-3

[BudForLife]

Coach has no confidence in Anderson, continues to start Anderson, is he expecting a different outcome?

Why are we blaming the coach? The coach has 2 goalies...his number 1 goalie is playing like crap. His number 2 goalie has been injured. Please no one bring up Hutchinson!
This weekend is a back to back so both goalies have to play.
Keefe has to let Andersen play...he's supposed to be our number 1...either shake it off or move over. When Andersen loses his job and Campbell takes over no one will question the coach.
If Campbell is not good enough then the spotlight goes to Dubas.

 

[AvroArrow]

Interesting

Month	Coach	SV%	TOI
October Totals	Babcock	0.919	592:50:00
November Totals	Babcock	0.942	653:52:00
December Totals	Babcock	0.903	532:29:00
January Totals	Babcock	0.919	237:55:00
February Totals	Babcock	0.922	717:21:00
March Totals	Babcock	0.890	592:42:00
April Totals	Babcock	0.925	183:06:00
October Totals	Babcock	0.901	594:05:00
November Totals	Babcock	0.938	669:48:00
December Totals	Keefe	0.904	652:25:00
January Totals	Keefe	0.893	469:17:00
February Totals	Keefe	0.884	496:05:00
January Totals	Keefe	0.892	478:07:00
February Totals	Keefe	0.918	479:23:00
March Totals	Keefe	0.876	403:11:00

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It's almost as if Freddy has been declining for 2 years now

 

[socko]

Freddy will get over this slump and play great down the stretch.

Then choke it up in the playoffs again.

Your optimism with Freddy is impressive.

 

[zeke]

 

[Mr Hockey]

Interesting

Month	Coach	SV%	TOI
October Totals	Babcock	0.919	592:50:00
November Totals	Babcock	0.942	653:52:00
December Totals	Babcock	0.903	532:29:00
January Totals	Babcock	0.919	237:55:00
February Totals	Babcock	0.922	717:21:00
March Totals	Babcock	0.890	592:42:00
April Totals	Babcock	0.925	183:06:00
October Totals	Babcock	0.901	594:05:00
November Totals	Babcock	0.938	669:48:00
December Totals	Keefe	0.904	652:25:00
January Totals	Keefe	0.893	469:17:00
February Totals	Keefe	0.884	496:05:00
January Totals	Keefe	0.892	478:07:00
February Totals	Keefe	0.918	479:23:00
March Totals	Keefe	0.876	403:11:00

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

curious to see the scoring chances against, high danger against percentages along with those

 

[IPS]

We are genuinely f***ed if management doesn't wake up and get Freddy the f*** out of here.

 

[egd27]

Campbell has played 27 games with the Leafs? Thought it was only 9 so far.

 

[zeke]

Campbell has played 27 games with the Leafs? Thought it was only 9 so far.

Projected over a full season of 55gms for Fred and 27 for Jack (55+27=82).

If Jack was projected for more starts his number would be even higher.

 

[Blue Line Turnover]

Sorry, I'm an Oilers' fan, but that Holl hit on that little rat made me feel alive again

 

[egd27]

Projected over a full season of 55gms for Fred and 27 for Jack (55+27=82).

If Jack was projected for more starts his number would be even higher.

Oh....so another "expected"

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Mr Hockey]

We are genuinely f***ed if management doesn't wake up and get Freddy the f*** out of here.

not going to happen, unless he is a total shit show every game he starts, they will hope he will rebound, he probably will and they will get a new goalie during the summer ... imo

 

[Bluelines]

I have him at 1 big save to make last night, the second goal.


You do realize we're creating more of all these situations, usually with higher caliber shooters, right? And that most goalies, even outside Leafs games, are making a save on significantly more of these type of chances.

Every SOG is off a breakdown fwiw, perfect defense allows zero shots against.

So I know your second paragraph is just fan BS, how an you know most goalies are making saves on significant more of these shots. The other goalies are not facing the exact same scenarios.

Every SOG is not a defensive break down, If you keep the other team shooting from the outside, previewing the 2nd and 3rd shots off rebounds, that is a defensive strategy. Allowing tips in the slot, cross crease passes, screens with multiple plays in front of Freddie is defensive break downs. There is not one single coach in the NHL that thinks hey, guys prevent those shots from the outside and allow the other team to clog up the crease and take Andys eyes away, allow those tips and cross crease passes, the goalie will have a better chance.

Contrary to the flatulating articles in recent weeks, we are not a defensive power house or have a defensive identity, this team is a mess defensivly, that makes the goalie look like crap.

 

[Bluelines]

Leafs not paying well, certainly isn't this teams problem.

Take away the cross crease passes, the defensive break downs, neutral zone and defensive zone turn overs and the screens in front of the net, tips in the slot, do we have a better or worse chance to win?

 

[Ports]

I do think this team and offense is capable of putting up a 6+ goal night to overcome the goaltending we've got and I'm a little surprised/disappointed it hasn't happened. Better finish and that was last night.

Still, can't point the finger for real "blame" anywhere but the net lately

The top team in the league averages just over three goals a game and you expect the Leafs to score six. Will never happen especially come playoff time.

 

[Mess]

Take away the cross crease passes, the defensive break downs, neutral zone and defensive zone turn overs and the screens in front of the net, tips in the slot, do we have a better or worse chances to win?

I think while watching the game you could count on 1 hand yesterday the # of quality of chances the Leafs gave up to the Flames, nevermind the limited quantity of shots overall.

But when you see the boxscore and it confirms ... 18 shots against .. 4 GA and only 14 saves = .778 sv% you know goaltending is your problem when the end result is an L.

 

[zeke]

curious to see the scoring chances against, high danger against percentages along with those

High danger shots

16-17: 8.07 per 60, .832sv%
17-18: 8.52 per 60, .808sv%
18-19: 8.20 per 60, .800sv%
19-20: 7.90 per 60, .806sv%
20-21: 7.76 per 60, .778sv%

Under Keefe:

Anderson: 7.98 per 60, .802sv%
Hutchinson: 7.56 per 60, .827sv%
Campbell: 9.14 per 60, .843sv%

 

[Gallagbi]

What's "average"? 0?

 

[zeke]

Oh....so another "expected"

Thanks for clarifying.

The "expected" numbers like Fred BETTER than his actual current numbers.

 

[zeke]

What's "average"? 0?

Nah 0 would be replacement level. I.e. the average league minimum callup.

 

[Bluelines]

I think while watching the game you could count on 1 hand yesterday the # of quality of chances the Leafs gave up to the Flames, nevermind the limited quantity of shots overall.

But when you see the boxscore and it confirms ... 18 shots against .. 4 GA and only 14 saves = .778 sv% you know goaltending is your problem when the end result is an L.

Which goalie stops the puck deflected off Dermott?
Which goalie stops the screen?
Which goalie stops the tipped goal?

You didn't answer my question.

Which is why stats don't tell you the entire story. Do the stats tell you how well the Leafs played defensively last night? I don't understand why fans can't easily see the formula the Canucks used in Vancouver is the same formula every team has used since then to beat the Leafs, screen, tip and take away the goalies eyes.

 

[zeke]

Which goalie stops the puck deflected off Dermott?
Which goalie stops the screen?
Which goalie stops the tipped goal?

.

Any decent goalie stops most of those.

 

[NK94]

So I know your second paragraph is just fan BS, how an you know most goalies are making saves on significant more of these shots. The other goalies are not facing the exact same scenarios.

Every SOG is not a defensive break down, If you keep the other team shooting from the outside, previewing the 2nd and 3rd shots off rebounds, that is a defensive strategy. Allowing tips in the slot, cross crease passes, screens with multiple plays in front of Freddie is defensive break downs. There is not one single coach in the NHL that thinks hey, guys prevent those shots from the outside and allow the other team to clog up the crease and take Andys eyes away, allow those tips and cross crease passes, the goalie will have a better chance.

Contrary to the flatulating articles in recent weeks, we are not a defensive power house or have a defensive identity, this team is a mess defensivly, that makes the goalie look like crap.

They've given up the second fewest amount of goals within their division despite Andersen being the third-best goalie on the roster, are leading their division with the lowest xGA despite Andersen being the third-best goalie on the roster, and have given up the fewest shots against within their division, despite Andersen being the third-best goalie on the roster.

They've outshot their opponents in 6 of the last 7 games and scored at least 3 goals in 4 of those games. Blaming the defence is a lazy cop-out and you're sounding like an absolute apologist for an .897 SV% goalie who makes $5M.

 

[IPS]

Any decent goalie stops most of those.

The goalie we played against last night stopped those types of shots + better ones

 

[Gallagbi]

So I know your second paragraph is just fan BS, how an you know most goalies are making saves on significant more of these shots. The other goalies are not facing the exact same scenarios.

By watching and balancing with the numbers. And you're right, they're not the "same situations" some are much more difficult, some slightly less.

Take last night and the 18 shots allowed. You have Markstrom, not playing overly well and still making a number of tip saves with more net to cover and less reaction time. The Tavares tip toe save, the crease Simmonds tip from Thornton, the Matthews onetimer, all better chances than comparable goals Fred allowed. Each goalie let in a bad strong side shot.

Every SOG is not a defensive break down, If you keep the other team shooting from the outside, previewing the 2nd and 3rd shots off rebounds, that is a defensive strategy. Allowing tips in the slot, cross crease passes, screens with multiple plays in front of Freddie is defensive break downs. There is not one single coach in the NHL that thinks hey, guys prevent those shots from the outside and allow the other team to clog up the crease and take Andys eyes away, allow those tips and cross crease passes, the goalie will have a better chance.

Actually it is, perfect D has proper gap, sticks in the lanes so nothing goes on net. Now everyone knows perfect isn't a fair expectation, so you try to limit breakdowns to be small and incremental, like unscreened shots from the outside.

Contrary to the flatulating articles in recent weeks, we are not a defensive power house or have a defensive identity, this team is a mess defensivly, that makes the goalie look like crap.

Agreed, just an above average team getting bad backup level goaltending recently. Last night was the worst we've seen it, but over the past 7 games our goalies have been beyond poor considering the chances against. We just have to look at the other end to see what other goaltenders have done. Some played amazing (Helly), some played adequate, others played poor (Markstrom) and every single time our guy was worse. Actually I think their best performances over that stretch would still be the worst of any starters we've faced.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Which goalie stops the puck deflected off Dermott?
Which goalie stops the screen?
Which goalie stops the tipped goal?

You didn't answer my question.

Which is why stats don't tell you the entire story. Do the stats tell you how well the Leafs played defensively last night? I don't understand why fans can't easily see the formula the Canucks used in Vancouver is the same formula every team has used since then to beat the Leafs, screen, tip and take away the goalies eyes.

when teams play against a bad goalie, that's always the strategy. Every shot has a good chance to go in. When teams play against good goalies, they have to make good passing plays and try to generate strong chances, but teams never have to bother with that against Fred