Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 4-3 in OT .. Marner sets the franchise record with 19 games recording a point

[Mess]

After 26 games this year the Leafs are 15-5-6 for 36 points.

After 26 games last year the Leafs were 17-7-2 for 36 points.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Possibly the Kuch hit deserved 5 instead of 2 and Hedman tackled Tavares heading to the net.

Stamkos not called for kneeing Murray in the head.

Refs called everything for 50 mins

I didn't like the Kucherov hit, but I've seen worse not even get 2.

Tavares pushed Stankos into Murray - not his fault.

Yes, refs called nothing after the penalty to Tampa that let us tie the game. Hedman should have had a penalty in the last eight minutes, but so should Bunting for grabbing Chernak's stick.

 

[Gilmour1996]

Possibly the Kuch hit deserved 5 instead of 2 and Hedman tackled Tavares heading to the net.

Stamkos not called for kneeing Murray in the head.

Refs called everything for 50 mins

Plus they allowed a Tampa goal that was clearly offside and Leafs had to risk a coaches challenge to get it called back.

 

[Seras]

Got a point against a great team, keep it going GLG

 

[leafan11]

I wish I could get pissed off but I just refuse. Let them continue to piss away points, let them get an unfavorable matchup in round 1, let them lose again in game 7.

It's all part of the learning process I believe...It's just a shame that everyone managing and playing for this franchise has a brain coated in teflon. (nothing sticks)

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Matchup ? The leafs couldn’t beat blue jackets, Habs, and lightning and you’re worried about what matchup they get ?

 

[Dayjobdave]

I think someone suggested a while ago that the Leafs were so bad at 3 on 3 that we should just give the other team the puck, move out of the way and let them shoot it in the net and get it over with.

I didn't think the Leafs would take that seriously

 

[Drytoast]

I hate these loser points. We lost. We don't deserve shit. If the goal is to make me feel better, it's not working.

 

[Metroid]

I honestly don’t even care if Matthews gets traded after this season, after refusing to sign a contract extension in Toronto. Just get it over with at this point and get him out of here, it is inevitable

Dude your hot takes are something else. Go outside and get some fresh air.

 

[ACC1224]

That's all on Matthews

Goalie needs to make a save there.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Murray earned the right to let in a stinker but I still prefer Ilya.

Samsonov doesn't falter when we do dumb stuff in front of him. His style is consistent no matter what. Murray has a bit of Campbell in him where he breaks down and looks off if the team in front of him breaks down a little. We saw this pre injury and we see this at odd times right now too. The team in front has been almost perfect since our 3 over rated D (over rated defensively, Brodie has sucked for over a year now which is shocking me) have been out so there's no way a goalie of Murray's caliber is going to let in much.

Playoffs is going to get more wild as every game is going to be against a contender so just using the limited sample so far , Ilya is my guy.

It's way too early to even think about which of these two will be our playoff starter. And don't forget that Murray has 2 cup wins on his resume, that's not nothing. Both goalies have been good so far, I can only hope they keep it up and we're in a position that if whoever starts the ploayoffs falters, we can feel pretty good about giving the other guy a go.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Some 'penalties' that weren't called that could have been and some that were called that could have been let go. About the same number of each for each team.

Refs 'put the whistle away' for the last 8 minutes after we tied it, which I don't like, but penalties 'let go' both ways.

Overall, a fairly called game. Just a few people who would rather blame someone not on their favourite team.

There must be some unwritten rule that I haven't heard about where fans of the losing team have to complain about the refs. Not my thing, I'm not sure I've complained about refs since 1993.

I hate these loser points. We lost. We don't deserve shit. If the goal is to make me feel better, it's not working.

There's no such thing as loser points, you get a point for being tied at the end of regulation.

Last night on the broadcast they they same thing they almost always say before OT - well both teams earned a point ... blah blah blah - think about it.

Why do you think you never ever hear them say - OK now OT coming up, if the Leafs can only hang on and lose, they will earn a point and if they win, they will get two.

They have a point locked up before OT begins, period and they don't get any additional points for losing.

 

[AvroArrow]

Goalie needs to make a save there.

Yup, another unforced OT turnover but that is a weak goal. Murray let in 2 softies, that OT shot is a routine save.

 

[ULF_55]

It's actually the single "tied hockey game" point and the "Gary's gimmicks extra point"

Unfortunately, not everyone has watched hockey long enough to know that.
They probably think this is a flip phone:

 

[ULF_55]

Gonna say it again: send out 3rd liners in OT. What is there to lose? You can't do any worse than what the top guys have provided. And if these careless no look passes leading to giveaways are by design, the designer needs to be fired into the Sun. Why does this reek of Malhotra's input? Like maybe he needed something else to do after they moved him off the special teams file. There's been too much of it this season for it to be an accident, there's clearly a strategy to it.

There was no reason for that to happen?

Matthews should watch Draisaitl and McDavid in OT and learn what patience is.

Keep the puck and retreat if there's nothing there.

Don't skate into coverage and don't give the puck away.

Leafs might be the only team I watch who want to immediately force something without regard to consequence in OT.

 

[ULF_55]

There's no such thing as loser points, you get a point for being tied at the end of regulation.

Last night on the broadcast they they same thing they almost always say before OT - well both teams earned a point ... blah blah blah - think about it.

Why do you think you never ever hear them say - OK now OT coming up, if the Leafs can only hang on and lose, they will earn a point and if they win, they will get two.

They have a point locked up before OT begins, period and they don't get any additional points for losing.

I don't think we can blame fans who are new to the game.
This misconception gets passed around so much that's all they know.
Social media isn't a great educator.

 

[ULF_55]

Goalie needs to make a save there.

Only thing better would be if the shot was never gifted to them.

 

[Zybalto]

This damn team lost me a bet last night. Thought for sure they were due a loss against that team on the road.

Now 11 game point streak (8-0-3) with currently less than half a dcore (top 3 D out) after picking up a point against the Bolts on the road in not an undeserving fashion.

Really good positive experience for the replacement guys on the backend though and gives real confidence that we can weather D injuries headed into the playoffs.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Some 'penalties' that weren't called that could have been and some that were called that could have been let go. About the same number of each for each team.

Refs 'put the whistle away' for the last 8 minutes after we tied it, which I don't like, but penalties 'let go' both ways.

Overall, a fairly called game. Just a few people who would rather blame someone not on their favourite team.

Even when the whistles are put away, penalties that affect scoring chances are usually called. Tavares goes through the whole team and then Hedman has his free arm wrapped around him. That's as clear as a high stick

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't think we can blame fans who are new to the game.
This misconception gets passed around so much that's all they know.
Social media isn't a great educator.

Maybe. Seems to me that a tiny bit of common sense is all that's required. And there are people who have made thousands of posts who still argue that "you get a point for losing".

 

[Stephen]

We outhit Tampa. We outplayed Tampa. We got Tampa hot and bothered. We played just as "big boy" as Tampa did, if not more, and we didn't take any retaliation penalties (while Tampa did).
Tampa still had more PPs, got them at the most opportune times, and got away with suspendable actions without even a whisper from commentary or media during or after.
Your narratives are wrong.

Stop counting the numbers. We don't have the personnel to start the extra curriculars and back it up when the other team pushes back without it impacting the rest of the way we play. So the options are you either build a bigger, better, meaner version of Tampa Bay, or you just play a quiet efficient game and escape with a win.

How this translates in the playoffs? Who knows, but safe to say we'll be the second biggest team with the second toughest group in any matchup.

Teams will always be at the mercy of unfavorable officiating so that's not even worth discussing at this point.

 

[Stephen]

Possibly the Kuch hit deserved 5 instead of 2 and Hedman tackled Tavares heading to the net.

Stamkos not called for kneeing Murray in the head.

Refs called everything for 50 mins

Kucherov is a unique combination of crybaby, diva and a thug out there with his cheap little antics. I'm glad Liljegren rode him into the end boards.

 

[howlman]

so glad avs beat the F outta tampa last season.

teams like tampa dont deserve F-all. i hope they crash and burn. all their games are rigged to help them. tampa is trash

Get a grip. Tampa is good. Quit blaming the refs

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Does losing in OT stink? Ya. The same way we always do? Extra, ya.
Do I think it's hilarious (and kind of sad) how doomer this sub is, that this is what it is hyper fixated on, including people having insane takes about Matthews, instead of talking about seeing a 30+ year franchise record broken by Marner? Extremely.

Our fanbase earns it's reputation on these boards. Never change.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Stop counting the numbers. We don't have the personnel to start the extra curriculars and back it up when the other team pushes back without it impacting the rest of the way we play. So the options are you either build a bigger, better, meaner version of Tampa Bay, or you just play a quiet efficient game and escape with a win.

So when the numbers don't support your statements, just ignore them? You argued that Tampa was the team using physicality, getting us hot and bothered, and drawing us into retaliation penalties, and seemed to be suggesting that that's why they won and got more PPs, but that's literally the exact opposite of what happened. We were the more physical team. We got them hot and bothered. They took retaliation penalties, not us. And they still ended up with more PPs. And none of that was really the difference in the game.

We battled them to an impressive, hard-fought draw while missing our 3 best defensemen and getting questionable officiating, and then lost in a 3v3 gimmick on a weak shot from the outside. There are a multitude of ways to build a winner. What we need to stop are these labels and black and white boxes and blaming every loss on the team not playing the exact style you prefer.

How this translates in the playoffs? Who knows, but safe to say we'll be the second biggest team with the second toughest group in any matchup.

Not only is that untrue, but I'll take being the better team over the "bigger" and "tougher" team any day anyway.

Teams will always be at the mercy of unfavorable officiating so that's not even worth discussing at this point.

Funny how it consistently seems to be a little more unfavourable at more unfavourable times for some teams.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

There was no reason for that to happen?

Matthews should watch Draisaitl and McDavid in OT and learn what patience is.

Keep the puck and retreat if there's nothing there.

Don't skate into coverage and don't give the puck away.

Leafs might be the only team I watch who want to immediately force something without regard to consequence in OT.

Yup and that's what they used to do (the patience part). What happened? This is new this season. Something's up and/or they're being coached to do this. It makes no sense otherwise. Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly all equally guilty of inexplicable careless turnovers by forcing something that they don't need to force. Maybe they're desperately afraid of the shootout, who knows.