Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 4-2

[MyBudJT]

There's no possible justification to defend Marner and bash Matthews, contracts, play or otherwise, and I don't much care for your argument style of obtusely calling Matthews a 73 point player..."but that's what he is" ya, ya I know, but I'm not doing that dance with you. Its an incredibly dishonest comment and everyone knows it. I'm pretty sure you beat that drum in all the summer threads too. You're also shredding the Nylander/Pasta comparable and already got called out for just using Pasta's post-contract season in your argument, you got called out for it but just went on being willfully obtuse about the matter. It doesn't feel like you're arguing in good faith here at all.

You're clearly mis-understanding my posts...
I'm not defending Marner's contract.... I am saying its justified given the Matthews contract.

Had Matthews signed around 10.5 (which most around here were wanting if we got him on a 5 year term), then Marner would have been 9.75-10.

Matthews contract lead to Marner's contract... both are overpayments.... Matthews shouldn't have a free pass for being injured, IMO. a one off, sure... but he's been injured more often then not since his junior days...

I have a long history debating Nylanders contract. Always felt Pastrnak was a horrible comparbale, and clearly laid out why... I've always maintained its foolish to compare 18-20 year old seasons to 20-22 year old seasons... it makes no sense. Zero. Nilch. Nodda. Nil.... If you want to compare Nylander to Pastrnak, you compare their accomplishments at the same age... Pastrnak blows Nylander out of the water... Every. Single. Year.

There is no dishonesty here, dude.

 

[Faltorvo]

I really had it with babcock.
How the **** you come out to an important game like a bunch of scared 5 year old kids? Like are you preparing your team or not?
No in game adjustment again. When the Matthews-Marner-Johnsson vs the Bergeron line is not working then DO SOMETHING!
AGAIN the 4th line on the ice after a bruins goal.
When your top line sucks then do something, anything. I dont ****ing know why and how we are always unprepared and arriving late in the game. Always.

Marner sucks ass the only time ive noticed him when he gave away the puck in a pp killing the momentum.

Hutch and Kappy played good. Also Freddie the Gauth with a good game.

not much you can do about line matching when on the road.

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

Tyson Barrie has made no impact. Huge disappointment.. he isn’t even flashing any sort of offensive game.

 

[dimi78]

He's got to be able to hold up defensively though and our forwards aren't going to give him much help

His warts are really being exposed and unless something happens to make the forwards give a **** he's going to struggle

Defense gets played in the offensive zone cycling the puck, forchecking forcing turnovers and back tracking. The defensive zone is survivor mode for all teams in the NHL in complete reliance of the goaltender making saves.

The Leafs mainly the skilled forwards are inconsistent with there compete that translate into playing defense in the defensive zone which is the true culprit to this teams struggles defensively.

So far this year the 3rd and 4th lines have been playing winning hockey and just about all the D men look good with them ever wonder why?

There's a steep learning curve going on right now with our top guys... Babs isn't protecting them anymore and you know what? It's going to get worst before it gets better because it's not Babs that's stubborn. It's the core players not named Tavere's who don't get it and they're about to learn it the old fashion way by means of loosing to get on board to put there compete ahead of before even think of scoring goals.

 

[1specter]

Matthews is a joke if he's not scoring goals. If he was on his ELC then maybe it would fly but not when you are making McDavid level money. His playmaking is nothing special, his defense is mediocre to below average and his physicality is non existent. Why the f*** are we paying a guy McDavid money when he is a non factor every other game? Same applies to Marner who appears to be garbage without Tavares propping him up

 

[ClarkSittler]

This team just isn't very likable. Soft as butter and look like they couldn't care less.

Maybe we didn't pay our best players enough.

/Sarcasm

 

[Ciao]

We been a fragile team since Martin has been traded

Boy, I sure miss the good old days with Mat Martin on the bench. Can't beat that!

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

The next time Matthews throws a hit will be the first time. The fly bys are cringeworthy. Him and Nylander constant fly bys. No stops and starts. No finishing checks. Matthews has zero explosion right now. I question his level of conditioning and commitment to the game off the ice.. his incident this summer did nothing to else those concerns. He was skating in quicksand tonight.

 

[rumman]

Team has quit on the coach plain and simple

winners never quit, quitters never win.............

 

[Ciao]

Matthews is a joke if he's not scoring goals. If he was on his ELC then maybe it would fly but not when you are making McDavid level money. His playmaking is nothing special, his defense is mediocre to below average and his physicality is non existent. Why the **** are we paying a guy McDavid money when he is a non factor every other game? Same applies to Marner who appears to be garbage without Tavares propping him up

Did Matthews play tonight? I hadn't noticed.

That No. 15 looked good, though. He looked like our best centre, whatever his name is.

Freddy Gauthier looked good at times, too.

 

[Faltorvo]

Defense gets played in the offensive zone cycling the puck, forchecking forcing turnovers and back tracking. The defensive zone is survivor mode for all teams in the NHL in complete reliance of the goaltender making saves.

The Leafs mainly the skilled forwards are inconsistent with there compete that translate into playing defense in the defensive zone which is the true culprit to this teams struggles defensively.

So far this year the 3rd and 4th lines have been playing winning hockey and just about all the D men look good with them ever wonder why?

There's a steep learning curve going on right now with our top guys... Babs isn't protecting them anymore and you know what? It's going to get worst before it gets better because it's not Babs that's stubborn. It's the core players not named Tavere's who don't get it and they're about to learn it the old fashion way by means of loosing to get on board to put there compete ahead of before even think of scoring goals.

nylander 1 hit on the season
matty just 2
marner 5
barrie 4

moore 24
timo 22
goat 13

you seeing a trend here?

 

[BBB24]

And then went out in round 1 and round 2 right?

So your saying that making the playoffs and going out in round one or two is counted as missing “ for years”, alrighty then.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Matthews contract lead to Marner's contract... both are overpayments.... Matthews shouldn't have a free pass for being injured, IMO. a one off, sure... but he's been injured more often then not since his junior days...

I have a long history debating Nylanders contract. Always felt Pastrnak was a horrible comparbale, and clearly laid out why... I've always maintained its foolish to compare 18-20 year old seasons to 20-22 year old seasons... it makes no sense. Zero. Nilch. Nodda. Nil.... If you want to compare Nylander to Pastrnak, you compare their accomplishments at the same age... Pastrnak blows Nylander out of the water... Every. Single. Year.

There is no dishonesty here, dude.

I agree Matthews injuries are a concern that shouldn't be glossed over but its also silly to pretend he is a 70 point player. The problem with Nylander/Pasta comments is that yes it was a generous comparable for Nylander at the time but it just seems petty to bring up now with Pasta being a likely 100 point player, yeah he's exploded now that's irrelevant to where they were during negotiations, which again, yeah Pasta was better but it was obviously much closer. And I've also seen you suggest Nylander's contract negotiations were ugly and Marner's were fine which is...interesting to say the least. Either way I'm sorry if you feel like I misrepresented your intentions but "Canadian player homer" was what I gleaned from these threads and a JT username, it felt to me like you held these players to a double standard but I must've mistaken it for genuine disagreeing so I apologize.

 

[Dreakmur]

How the **** you come out to an important game like a bunch of scared 5 year old kids? Like are you preparing your team or not?

Some things you can't coach - Brains, Heart and Balls.

No in game adjustment again. When the Matthews-Marner-Johnsson vs the Bergeron line is not working then DO SOMETHING!

What's the something? Split Matthews and Marner would be about the only option there. Is that really the best move?

AGAIN the 4th line on the ice after a bruins goal.

I think that's actually our 3rd line now, but I still don't like it. Come back with the heat!

When your top line sucks then do something, anything. I dont ****ing know why and how we are always unprepared and arriving late in the game. Always.

If it's a lack of game-plan, then it's on the coach. If it's a lack of effort or focus, then it's on the players. I'm not sure whether there is a lack of game-plan or not, but there absolutely a lack of effort and focus.

Either this is on the players... or it's on the players AND the coaches...

 

[Hustlr]

Horrible game. Another poor performance by the refs to boot.

 

[Myopic]

I know Norris voting heavily weighs point totals these days but I just think it's utterly insane people think we have a Norris caliber dman on this team. Flame away.

Morgan Rielly is really bad defensively.

I certainly would NOT resign him if he is seeking a $8-9 MM contract down the road. He's almost as bad as Jake was in his own end.

I thought the Barrie acquisition was outrageous too. He's just as bad as Rielly defensively.

Our genius GM seems to think that offensive skill at all positions is the answer. What a fool!

You need solid defenders (d-men) and some overall grit on this team. I've watched a ton of hockey for 55 years and I know Dubas doesn't know what the F he's doing. Shame on Shanny for going along with it. Why do some men get feminized as they get older? Maybe it's time for Shanny to get checked for low Testosterone.

 

[Apotheosis]

This team just doesn't have any fight in them. I am genuinely finding it hard to find the will to watch them every night they play, for the sole reason that there isn't a consistent compete level and Matthews, for a guy who is 6'3 220, won't even throw his body around when he's not doing anything on the ice.

 

[Legion34]

Matthews is a joke if he's not scoring goals. If he was on his ELC then maybe it would fly but not when you are making McDavid level money. His playmaking is nothing special, his defense is mediocre to below average and his physicality is non existent. Why the **** are we paying a guy McDavid money when he is a non factor every other game? Same applies to Marner who appears to be garbage without Tavares propping him up

Post-Game Talk: - Who is worried about 97?

 

[Legion34]

Horrible game. Another poor performance by the refs to boot.

the bruins were absolutely the better team. They deserved the win

the refs were still a joke

 

[Faltorvo]

Some things you can't coach - Brains, Heart and Balls.



What's the something? Split Matthews and Marner would be about the only option there. Is that really the best move?



I think that's actually our 3rd line now, but I still don't like it. Come back with the heat!



If it's a lack of game-plan, then it's on the coach. If it's a lack of effort or focus, then it's on the players. I'm not sure whether there is a lack of game-plan or not, but there absolutely a lack of effort and focus.

Either this is on the players... or it's on the players AND the coaches...

funny

all i have heard from the media mouth pieces and many on this board is

babs is a idiot, get matty and marns together ,,oh oh and hyman is not a top 6 player

sure looks like our top 6 needs a puck/corner dog and the Ms are hot sht together.

 

[Legion34]

So your saying that making the playoffs and going out in round one or two is counted as missing “ for years”, alrighty then.

2 years out. 1 year our first round. 1 year out 2nd.

Tampa missed 3 years ago.

Marchand cost the team the cup.

everyone forgets the bad and thinks they are this perfect team. They have as many failures as successes

tuuka was doubted til this playoff.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Again.... Pastrnak was a brutal comparable... I laid it out for you. If you chose not to see it, I can't help you.

You unfortunate laid it out with misinformation. It may be an honest mistake or it may be ignorance.

 

[ChurchOfMatthews]

If this piss poor play continues, this team needs to be booed and heavily. Every f***ing game until either management makes some necessary changes of the players get so embarrassed that they start putting some effort in. I've been watching since the 70's and have never been so disgusted in a group overall.

 

[Ciao]

The Leafs really do have a long way to go. It's a process, and they're not there. They might never get there either.

 

[Nineteen67]

Matthews is a joke if he's not scoring goals. If he was on his ELC then maybe it would fly but not when you are making McDavid level money. His playmaking is nothing special, his defense is mediocre to below average and his physicality is non existent. Why the **** are we paying a guy McDavid money when he is a non factor every other game? Same applies to Marner who appears to be garbage without Tavares propping him up

I saw it in the playoffs last year which lead me to believe he is not a championship caliber player.