Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 3-2 In OT

[Coachcorner]

Next you're gonna tell me that throwing on Joe as the extra forward is also a waste... Come on now, surely Sheldon is on to something... Any day now it will work...

Like our cute puppy might even do that there sire.... I'ma seeing to it. Give him a rest, and then joe finna thug that thang up again. Eating noses and dirt. Biting beards off and eating fish.

 

[fahad203]

Do they do the post game on SN590 after every Leafs game? I sometimes like to listen to others grumbling about the losses or cheerfully celebrating the wins to go along with you fine folk!

You know what I miss, completely off topic. Callers calling in.
You always used to get this one weird fan who's super drunk and lost money on that game

and Mike from Buffalo

 

[ITM]

I don't know...Terrible PP. Lost in OT. And after a blip in the season we're still:

28-12-5
1st in the division
5th? in the league

And...
Campbell's 11-2-1 with a 2.24//919 sv%.
Set an NHL record.
Matthews is the NHL's leading goal scorer.
He and Marner are tied for 4th in points overall.

But you'd never know it from the conversations lately. And it reminds me of any number of slumps some of our better teams and players played through. Today, Sundin is (rightly) a legend and almost always spoken of in glowing terms. But oh boy, did he go on a cooler one season lasting a lot longer than say, Jack Campbell's last couple of games.

Starting with Jack, I'll say something positive to the present contrary: He's going to be fine. He isn't going to be the victim of a few games in which he didn't continue a historically impossible pace. At some point, the "realism" that our fan base passes off as concern really has to give way to informed cautious observation. We create an untenable environment that the media feeds off and collectively we contribute in negative ways I'm not sure many other bases do.

Is it ever just ok for us to pause alarmist reactions during good seasons' slumps even if only as a once in a lifetime experiment to see if there's a different effect on the outcome? And funny enough, stats above likely don't matter because we've experienced a slump. They don't support the everlasting preferred narrative.

Maybe it's just a slump and maybe we're better than the slump. I think the stats convey that but I suspect all that matters is being able to vent in a way that demonstrates offense taken and thus "concern". If I can veer away from the crowd for the moment, I'm happy as a pig in shit with some of the stats and pretty excited about the possibilities with this group, native and newly acquired.

Perhaps Salutegate was one giant mirror few of us were able to look into.

 

[egd27]

So going slightly off topic......In the PGT someone posted (in caps) that this was a MUST WIN. In fact, he was so emphatic that he twice called this game a MUST WIN.

They didn't win, and yet, they play again Tuesday as scheduled.

It wasn't a must win, please stop calling random games must win.

 

[Egghead1999]

Lots to be written yet but Dubas has his coach, corrected his mistakes this off-season and went all in at the TDL. I blame the players if they make a quick exit but how many kicks at the can should this core and management team get?

The rumour has it that this year is their last chance. So, if it is true that it is MTL vs Leafs, one of the teams will feel the pain of the first-round exits.

 

[TMLAM34]

Wasn’t able to watch the game tonight but how the f*** did we loose to a team that hasn’t played in 3 or so weeks and is coming off of covid...

 

[Teeder Keon]

I don't know...Terrible PP. Lost in OT. And after a blip in the season we're still:

28-12-5
1st in the division
5th? in the league

And...
Campbell's 11-2-1 with a 2.24//919 sv%.
Set an NHL record.
Matthews is the NHL's leading goal scorer.
He and Marner are tied for 4th in points overall.

But you'd never know it from the conversations lately. And it reminds me of any number of slumps some of our better teams and players played through. Today, Sundin is (rightly) a legend and almost always spoken of in glowing terms. But oh boy, did he go on a cooler one season lasting a lot longer than say, Jack Campbell's last couple of games.

Starting with Jack, I'll say something positive to the present contrary: He's going to be fine. He isn't going to be the victim of a few games in which he didn't continue a historically impossible pace. At some points, the "realism" that our fan base passes off as concern really has to give way to informed cautious observation. We create an untenable environment that the media feeds off and collectively we contribute in negative ways I'm not sure many other bases do.

Is it ever just ok for us to pause alarmist reactions during good seasons' slumps even if only as a once in a lifetime experiment to see if there's a different effect on the outcome? And funny enough, stats above likely don't matter because we've experienced a slump. They don't support the everlasting preferred narrative.

Maybe it's a just a slump and maybe we're better than the slump. I think the stats convey that but I suspect all that matters is being able to vent in a way that demonstrates offense taken and thus "concern". If I can veer away from the crowd for the moment, I'm happy as a pig in shit with some of the stats and pretty excited about the possibilities with this group, native and newly acquired.

Perhaps Saultegate was one giant mirror few of us were able to look into.

Thank you
I needed that

 

[PromisedLand]

Including Dubas and Keefe

May be shanny needs to go into the locker room and threaten the players...

"get your shit together or Babcock is coming back. We are still paying him and I wouldn't hesitate to bring his ass back and get a new GM who is not going to listen to your whining"

 

[fahad203]

Problem isn't having a guy like Foligno play that way, it's not having the others buy in.

Exactly. I mean if Mikaheyev wanted to, with his speed, he can lead the league in hits and bury some players. Engvall could have been a mini mini mini Lindros with size and skating ability

Yet they don't want to hit. They dont' want to make life difficult for other D

 

[IrishInOntario]

Literally robbed of the f***ing game winning goal. Everyone should seriously calm down.

Shouldn't have needed that to squeak out a 3-2 win. That should have been the 7-2 goal, but Toronto squandered chances all night.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

We won. The league and refs jobbed us for a goal with 20 seconds good win if it wasn’t stolen again by refs or department of refs. F*** i hate refs

 

[34]

The PP, goaltending...where do you start.

1st round will be at Pebble Beach Golf coarse. I wonder if Matthews putts as good as he scores goals.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Joe Thornton isn't tough or gritty. He's old. That's what he is. So our demise as a team is a bottom pairing dman whom you said has been solid, a 3rd line/4th line RW and a guy who's never played for us.

That's some f***ed up shit.

This has not stopped him from getting involved and helping his teammates when the going gets tough.



Or starting shit himself for that matter.

 

[Gallagbi]

We just played CBus last year, you'd think you may have seen Foligno play once or twice?

It's not a question of how Foligno plays, it's whether that moves the needle for those who need it to. So far it hasn't, whether that be Hyman, Spezza, Simmonds, Tavares, Muzzin. The effort from our top end isn't there consistently - Specifically Matthews, Willy and Marner. Tavares isn't always productive, but I'd argue his effort is

 

[123offtheglass]

T

Thank you that’s what I’ve been saying repeatedly. It was in visibility was clear. So who made the call. I would like to know. They cheated and stole the game from us. The ref seen it too and he stole the game. Why ate they fixing games? We know they do. Why do we watch it anymore..

I know, it sucks man.

You literally see part of the puck moving in the net, knowing the dimensions of the puck and the +/- of where the rest of the puck could potentially be positioned relative to the goal line.

That's not even taking into account any kinetic/kinematic analysis which couldn't definitively prove a goal or non-goal, but could help support/explain the path the puck takes during the sequence. You see it bank off Holtby and into the net, where for a moment you see its position +/- an insignificant amount of displacement, while still clearly in motion in a direction that would bring it further into the net before you can't see it again...

Edit: another angle...

 

[IPS]

We won. The league and refs jobbed us for a goal with 20 seconds good win if it wasn’t stolen again by refs or department of refs. F*** i hate refs

Also curious: did the crews just forget to put the f***ing net cams in today? Would the net cam not have been the PERFECT view to see if the puck conclusively went in or not?

 

[Tlo1]

Of course you have. Every game. He's the wurst evar.

????

 

[Egghead1999]

Or... And hear me out here. .. we can skate it to the blue line, drop it back to some guy three miles away and try to skate through four guys.

Guaranteed success my friend.

yes, the problem was that "that guy" stood at the dot and he only started to skate after the player dropped the buck back. Leafs almost lost the puck a few times

 

[Stephen]

Exactly. I mean if Mikaheyev wanted to, with his speed, he can lead the league in hits and bury some players. Engvall could have been a mini mini mini Lindros with size and skating ability

Yet they don't want to hit. They dont' want to make life difficult for other D

The physical buy in goes right up to the top of the food chain.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I know, it sucks man.

You literally see part of the puck moving in the net, knowing the dimensions of the puck and the +/- of where the rest of the puck could potentially be positioned relative to the goal line.

That's not even taking into account any kinetic/kinematic analysis which couldn't definitively prove a goal or non-goal, but could help support/explain the path the puck takes during the sequence. You see it bank off Holtby and into the net, where for a moment you see its position +/- an insignificant amount of displacement, while still clearly in motion in a direction that would bring it further into the net before you can't see it again...

Hey bro, you and i know we won. That was a good win wasn’t it

 

[fahad203]

I don't know...Terrible PP. Lost in OT. And after a blip in the season we're still:

28-12-5
1st in the division
5th? in the league

And...
Campbell's 11-2-1 with a 2.24//919 sv%.
Set an NHL record.
Matthews is the NHL's leading goal scorer.
He and Marner are tied for 4th in points overall.

But you'd never know it from the conversations lately. And it reminds me of any number of slumps some of our better teams and players played through. Today, Sundin is (rightly) a legend and almost always spoken of in glowing terms. But oh boy, did he go on a cooler one season lasting a lot longer than say, Jack Campbell's last couple of games.

Starting with Jack, I'll say something positive to the present contrary: He's going to be fine. He isn't going to be the victim of a few games in which he didn't continue a historically impossible pace. At some points, the "realism" that our fan base passes off as concern really has to give way to informed cautious observation. We create an untenable environment that the media feeds off and collectively we contribute in negative ways I'm not sure many other bases do.

Is it ever just ok for us to pause alarmist reactions during good seasons' slumps even if only as a once in a lifetime experiment to see if there's a different effect on the outcome? And funny enough, stats above likely don't matter because we've experienced a slump. They don't support the everlasting preferred narrative.

Maybe it's just a slump and maybe we're better than the slump. I think the stats convey that but I suspect all that matters is being able to vent in a way that demonstrates offense taken and thus "concern". If I can veer away from the crowd for the moment, I'm happy as a pig in shit with some of the stats and pretty excited about the possibilities with this group, native and newly acquired.

Perhaps Saultegate was one giant mirror few of us were able to look into.

How's that different from any other year?

Last year Matthews was almost going to win the Richard
We were in the middle to top of the pack in our division

Set an NHL record? yeah so did Potvin and Price. Both as legit starters with a lesser talented teams. Not being sheltered every 2 games

You want to know who else owns few records ? Andrew Raycroft with most wins in a season as Leafs for a while

 

[LaPlante94]

Simmonds played 15 minutes today and Joe played 13

You should really do some research. They played in everyline, they have been given every opportunity
Both have played with Matthews, Tavares, Hyman you name it

Spot from who? I don't know, Robertsson? Engvall will at least skate
Did you see Saboruin? He fought Lucic, he threw a hit that game. He knows his role

There's a guy name Anderson in AHL looks like a decent 4th liner. You let go of Boyd for SImmonds?
Boyd was a better skater and overall better player

These names you're throwing around are total game changers. Holy moly! You don't think Engvall has been given many chances and is being held out of the lineup because of Thornton and Simmonds? Really? I don't think he's been bad but Thornton and Simmonds aren't the ones who bench players and then scratch them a game or 2 after that. His issues seem to be with the coach. Robertson has been getting top 6 minutes recently and has looked alright. Today was probably one of his better games but he hasn't been helping us score now has he? We're complaining about letting Boyd go? sure he was a decent 4th line option but his loss wasn't anything big. If our teams problems are because we let Boyd go then I don't know what to tell you. Anderson does look like he can be a good 3rd or 4th liner but a lot of players look like they can and never turn out to be or score at the NHL level. So stop trying to find very small issues that don't impact the game at all really and try and find the actual issues. GOALTENDING and our 1st PP UNIT. I bolded it because I thought it was obvious what our issues were but after reading these GDT I guess it isn't.

 

[killer1980]

Management had a vision of the way they wanted the team to be built. They gave the GM the opportunity to do it his way. He did and it was a playoff failure 2 years in a row. He got his coach, another failure. Now the Leafs are tap dancing to make something of a team that was flawed to begin with. We will here the words, "We gotta rebuild" a long time before we hear, " We won the Cup".

 

[Legion34]

Wasn’t able to watch the game tonight but how the f*** did we loose to a team that hasn’t played in 3 or so weeks and is coming off of covid...

holtby played like he was 25. Last minute got disallowed.

shoulda been about 8-2 us. It was 3-2 then

 

[Gallagbi]

Exactly. I mean if Mikaheyev wanted to, with his speed, he can lead the league in hits and bury some players. Engvall could have been a mini mini mini Lindros with size and skating ability

Yet they don't want to hit. They dont' want to make life difficult for other D

Honestly physicality isn't the issue with this team it's details and professionalism, which you hope a Foligno can help with.

I wish we were meaner and tougher, but that's not going to happen with this core, and it's fine. They shouldn't be this sloppy and this "easy" as often as they are.