Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-2 in OT | Down 3-0 in the Series

[wingman75]

At this point, keep Willy. Maybe keep Matthews. Marner and Tavares gotta go.

I think I would keep Marner over Matthews, for the simple reason he loves the Leafs, loves being a Leaf. Let's be honest, Matthews didn't give two f***s about the Leafs until he got drafted by them. That way, we can bring in McDavid when his deal is up lol

 

[Future]

At this point, keep Willy. Maybe keep Matthews. Marner and Tavares gotta go.

Tavares is the worst offender. Honestly a liability out there 5 on 5.

 

[sunstersun]

I think I would keep Marner over Matthews, for the simple reason he loves the Leafs, loves being a Leaf. Let's be honest, Matthews didn't give two f***s about the Leafs until he got drafted by them. That way, we can bring in McDavid when his deal is up lol

Matthews could possibly turn into a playoff winner.

There's no hope for mitch. A selke candidate with 7 giveaways in a must win game????

Tavares is the worst offender. Honestly a liability out there 5 on 5.

Outsides of faceoffs and PP he's a 4th line centre.

 

[GQS]

This is what happens when guys in the office let heart win over mind. Dubas wanted a splash, Tavares wanted to come home. I get it. I really do. But it led to a team that can't effectively allocate the financial resources it needs to win more than a round or two. Signing Tavares moved the pay scale to where Marner and Matthews had to sign for similar. It's not that the stars are failing (we've seen bad years by many guys because it's been so long) but there's not enough around them. It's the dream of building a mansion and Dubas has everything but nails to hold it together.

I disagree about Tavares. Sure his salary has prevented the Leafs from making other moves to help the team, but at the same time I don't know how you can decline bringing home a star/superstar hometown player that would improve your offense significantly and give you two great centers down the middle.

Few if any people whether they were Leafs fans or not criticised the move as being bad when the deal was signed and at most said the price was slightly on the high side. Looking at his time as a Leaf he's played very well most of his time here although he hasn't been as much of a game breaker as we've hoped. Still even if he hasn't been everything that Leafs fans may have hoped for, he also hasn't been a disappointment either.

The front office needs to go. A few guys need to go to alleviate the cap situation. Keefe is unfortunately going to be a burnt offering but he's run into the same problem every coach for the last 13 years has run into in Edmonton. There's a few shining stars and not much else.

I would be furious at the way this team is built and I think you guys deserve better

Cheers

As we're seeing now its less about how the team is built and more about the core players not showing up consistently to lead the way. Dubas has done his best to surround the core with leadership, experience and toughness with the moves he's made this past deadline. I don't know what else he could do this trade deadline to make this team an even better playoff team when at the end of the day no matter what moves he made its still up to Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly to show up and deliver.

They delivered pretty well in the 1st round, but now many of them have underperformed significantly in the 2nd round. Can't blame the GM when the players on the ice that are expected to lead the team aren't showing up consistently to get the job done. The Oiler's two best players have been monsters these playoffs especially Drai and they've led their team to playoff success. None of the Leafs best players have come close to being that good in the playoffs in leading their team to victory.

 

[wingman75]

its simple

they CAN win, they just don't WANT to win. The trophy isn't worth the pain to them. Literally. Beating up their bodies and the mental distress that comes with winning a cup isn't worth it to a LOT of players, not just these guys. They already got paid.

Just look at how they've "played" in this series. It's not a joke it's not your imagination it's not being pessimistic, it's just that they aren't playing to win anything here. These guys can EASILY go deep, real deep with the talent they have there. They're just not interested.

Lose Wednesday and then on Thursday they can get the f* outta here and get their summers started. Screw the trophy. Screw the media. And we not getting paid, either? F* that lol.

THAT'S what's going on.

Nothing to do with a lack of talent or ability to win it all.

It's just that this current combo of players does not care whether they win or not, and they are playing exactly like it.

Is being not willing to do whatever it takes, even if it cramps your style, the same as not wanting to win?

The third goal against in Game 2 said it all for me... there was a simple play to get the puck out of the zone, eliminate any danger, reset and re-engage. But that requires hard work (chasing pucks down), so they force possession, or try to, and lost the game and series in that one set of decisions.

 

[BTP]

Keep Marner over Matthews.

Marner and Nylander. Matthews and JT can kick rocks.

 

[Squiffy]

More Therapy. If Stomping Tom singing about Herring Chokers doesn’t cheer you up hit the sack.

 

[seventieslord]

Barrie has offensive upside at least. Defensively, they're about the same. I know I want to say Brodie is way worse defensively, but that really would be recency bias.

This is completely delusional

 

[Nineteen67]

Feels like this is the beginning of the end. Our window to win is closing.

It never opened

 

[Leafs98]

At least they have to wait around a bit longer until they can go on with their summer

 

[Mopar]

Major changes needed. That's all there is to it.

This is not a winning culture. Essentially a kid handed a bunch of other kids massive contracts long before they were earned.

So much has gone wrong with this rebuild. Did Matthews sign a team friendly deal when the time came? Nope. Took all the money and set up his term to make sure he was going to get looked after. Could have locked into a long term, team friendly deal and said "lets go win a cup!"

Marner? Held out for money. No

Nylander? Held out for money.

These guys quit on their coach and helped create a pathetic culture where winning was secondary.

Tavares actually signed here because he loves the team and city. Likely would have got more money elsewhere. Hard to get upset with the signing. It was supposed to give us that incredible 1-2 punch at center. Unfortunately things haven't worked out.

I'm not even going to get into Dubas, Keefe and the other management tonight.

So many mistakes made with this rebuild. So disappointing.

 

[JSn0w93]

Tavares has his moments, but at this point he just isn't worth 11 million. Tough situation.

 

[Space umpire]

The simple solution is to force JT into accepting a cap dump trade and moving him to the Kraken for a draft pick and prospect at 25% retained.

Ouch

In what world is Seattle interested in him?

JT no retention and a future 1st and 2nd to Chicago for future considerations.

 

[authentic]

Keep Marner over Matthews.

Marner and Nylander. Matthews and JT can kick rocks.

Are you kidding me, did you watch these playoffs? Matthews is the better player and it's not even close.

 

[mcleex]

Woll played good but he was pretty clueless on that wrap around. Like come on dude you can't let that shit happen

 

[wingman75]

It never opened

Oh, it was, but nobody crawled through.

 

[sunstersun]

I literally cannot wrap my head around 91 34 and 16 invisible in a must win.

Without hyperbole, can this be rationally explained. Anyone?

Nylander is the best and most consistent player the Leafs have had in the last 7 years.

Everyone else? No good.

 

[Squiffy]

I’ve drank enough to convince myself that it’s not over. Anyone with me?

 

[Nineteen67]

At this point, keep Willy. Maybe keep Matthews. Marner and Tavares gotta go.

I’m not sure I’d keep Willy. Before they went down to Miami, he purchased a plane ticket, departing Thursday from FT Lauderdale , headed to the world hockey championship.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I’ve drank enough to convince myself that it’s not over. Anyone with me?

I don't have that much booze available to me ATM.

 

[sunstersun]

I’m not sure I’d keep Willy. Before they went down to Miami, he purchased a plane ticket, departing Thursday from FT Lauderdale , headed to the world hockey championship.

Who showed up today? Nylander did. It wasn't JT, Marner or Matthews.

 

[ACC1224]

I’ve drank enough to convince myself that it’s not over. Anyone with me?

It’s over, sorry.

 

[Nineteen67]

I’ve drank enough to convince myself that it’s not over. Anyone with me?

They'll win the next one, probably.

 

[fahad203]

Keefe has to have some generational talent
In 4 years of his NHL experience

Lost to a zamboni driver
Lost to Columbus playing 5 games at home
Lost 3-1 being up against lousy Habs
Lost to pens 7-3 being when they were missing their top 5 player due to covid

All he has left now is add a sweep to his resume

Been calling this guy fake for like past 3 years. Everyone was like dude you are emotional, boomer. Well proof gents, is in the pudding

 

[authentic]

Woll played good but he was pretty clueless on that wrap around. Like come on dude you can't let that shit happen

Meh, he's a rookie who's never played a full playoff game before. Pretty hard to place any blame on him