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Wonder how many goaltending coaches and development staff we've gone through. It's not like we've had consistency in the GMs and we know there's been at least some changes
 
123offtheglass said:
Leafs will be fine. Andersen's playing injured and he'll get back to being what he can be, an average or better starter. Campbell is really good insurance as a backup; we've seen many times the backup getting hot & taking over down the stretch or in the playoffs. Campbell's a great candidate for that as long as Keefe puts the trust in him.

Not every team that wins the cup has great goaltending, sometimes the goalie(s) is just good enough for the good team in front of them.
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name the last Stanley Cup champs that didn’t have a great goalie. I’ll wait.
 
The Cobra said:
name the last Stanley Cup champs that didn’t have a great goalie. I’ll wait.
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Okay, 2016 Matt Murray with Pittsburgh & oddly enough 2009 Pittsburgh Penguins with MAF. Those are prime examples with very similar situations. Murray wasn't that great for them, he was just good enough to get it done. Prior to 2016, between 2010 & 2015 Fleury sucked and blew it for Pittsburgh in years where they had cup contending teams on multiple occasions. The year he won the cup in 2009 he wasn't good but his team was. Pittsburgh is and always has been my #2 team so I naturally watch them even more closely when Toronto falls out of the race, I'm still rooting hard for Pittsburgh and watch them closely.

Even Binnington (2019) & Holtby (2018) more recently weren't stellar they were just good in their playoffs. Holtby was actually coming off a pretty bad regular season in the year he did it much like Andersen is now, he actually didn't start those playoffs as the starter, Grubauer did. You don't always need an Andre Vasilevskiy or Connor Hellebuyck caliber goalie to contend, you can just be the better team & win that way.

The things that happen in Toronto happen in other franchises too they just don't get blown out of proportion the same way they do here.

Edit: Our first round slump (2/4 times against cup favorite Boston) could turn out to be much like what Washington's 2nd round slump was there. We also have something St. Louis & Washington did not have, the best goal scorer by a large margin & the 2nd best player in the world (when healthy). It's not like it's just Matthews either he has a strong supporting cast too and we for once finally have good defensemen. Once Edmonton is knocked out we should have the best player in the playoffs of anyone that remains.
 
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hotpaws said:
He also retired 20 yrs ago , the position has changed quite a bit since then .
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Yeah the gear got bigger and the sticks got better. Cherry pickers are stretch passes. Tough to play against is blocking a shot yapping while you stick a stinky glove in their face. The games changed. They still stop pucks. What hasn’t changed.
 
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to replace Fred with Jack and hope/believe things will work out. Cap cap cap. But couldn't really say it's a downgrade if their play continues as its started this year.
 
enter Sandman said:
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to replace Fred with Jack and hope/believe things will work out. Cap cap cap. But couldn't really say it's a downgrade if their play continues as its started this year.
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The most games 29 year old JC has started in a NHL season is 26. Until he proves he can play more you can't count on him for more IMO.
 
The Iceman said:
The most games 29 year old JC has started in a NHL season is 26. Until he proves he can play more you can't count on him for more IMO.
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Would be a 1A-1B type deal with an older goaltender signed for under 2.5M (Halak/Rinne/Raanta/heck even Lundqvist) to step in in a pinch. At the end of the day we wouldn't be asking Jack to be a Vezina winner, but an upgrade on Fred he could be (health is the question mark).

And draft a goalie!
 
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Cool tit bit about Vanbiesbrouck : he had a .900 sv% in the 92-93 season as a 5 foot 8 goalie...that's a miracle itself.
Only 3 goalies had a better sv% what Vanbiesbrouck that season : Cujo (.911), Potvin* (.910), Belfour (.906)

* Potvin (49 games) had an awesome gaa that season, 2.50, with Belfour (71 games) 2.56 they were the only 2 goalies with gaa u 3.00, thou Belfour was even better, because he played amazing 71 games
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CuJo got robbed of that Vezina that year.
 
Goaltending is voodoo. Unless it isn't. I have brought it several times now, but the reason the majority of NHL starters are coming from Europe comes down to 1 thing. Prime years developmental time. Now it is hard to quantify and rank each league in terms of skill seeing as none of them play against each other. But what we do know is NHL is #1 KHL is #2. The rest of the leagues everybody seems to have their own opinion for. When you look at European goalies however, you see that they are getting opportunities to hone their skills in top level leagues when they are 16 years old. When you try and compare that to NA goalies, they are not playing pro until they are at least 20. And even then, the AHL, I have seen ranked as low as 8th best in the world, and is most likely no higher than 6th (NHL, KHL, SHL, Liiga, Swiss A, Czech). Then you get American Goalies who go the College route, and they don't end up playing pro games until they are 22-24. We would see much more consistency in goalie development if goalies were given a chance to play in top leagues.
 
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diehardleafsfan9878 said:
Goaltending is voodoo. Unless it isn't. I have brought it several times now, but the reason the majority of NHL starters are coming from Europe comes down to 1 thing. Prime years developmental time. Now it is hard to quantify and rank each league in terms of skill seeing as none of them play against each other. But what we do know is NHL is #1 KHL is #2. The rest of the leagues everybody seems to have their own opinion for. When you look at European goalies however, you see that they are getting opportunities to hone their skills in top level leagues when they are 16 years old. When you try and compare that to NA goalies, they are not playing pro until they are at least 20. And even then, the AHL, I have seen ranked as low as 8th best in the world, and is most likely no higher than 6th (NHL, KHL, SHL, Liiga, Swiss A, Czech). Then you get American Goalies who go the College route, and they don't end up playing pro games until they are 22-24. We would see much more consistency in goalie development if goalies were given a chance to play in top leagues.
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I think the AHL is higher than the 6th to 8th best league in the world.
 
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Steve Briere is definitely the problem. As a goalie from Winnipeg I have met him a few times and he's one of the worst goalie coaches I've ever experienced. Words cannot describe how stupid he is. I was shocked when I heard the Leafs hired him, even more so that he's lasted this long. So it's no wonder Andersen is so inconsistent. The coach is an absolute turd.

Campbell on the other hand had his resurgence under the goalie factory in LA. I hope he gets healthy and starts some games before he gets the Briere stink on him too.
 
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JKG33 said:
Steve Briere is definitely the problem. As a goalie from Winnipeg I have met him a few times and he's one of the worst goalie coaches I've ever experienced. Words cannot describe how stupid he is. I was shocked when I heard the Leafs hired him, even more so that he's lasted this long. So it's no wonder Andersen is so inconsistent. The coach is an absolute turd.

Campbell on the other hand had his resurgence under the goalie factory in LA. I hope he gets healthy and starts some games before he gets the Briere stink on him too.
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It's interesting to get that insight. Nothing good seems to come of goalies who spend a lot of time in the Leafs system. Just doesn't compute when you think about the resources they're pouring into skating and skills development everywhere.

And just look at what Boston is doing with Jeremy Swayman and Daniel Vladar. Just young goalies who are around that Joseph Woll/Ian Scott age who are given AHL time and show steady progress and NHL potential.

With Briere and the Leafs? Nada. Do something, Toronto.
 
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JKG33 said:
Steve Briere is definitely the problem. As a goalie from Winnipeg I have met him a few times and he's one of the worst goalie coaches I've ever experienced. Words cannot describe how stupid he is. I was shocked when I heard the Leafs hired him, even more so that he's lasted this long. So it's no wonder Andersen is so inconsistent. The coach is an absolute turd.

Campbell on the other hand had his resurgence under the goalie factory in LA. I hope he gets healthy and starts some games before he gets the Briere stink on him too.
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Out of curiosity - what did he do or say that made you think this? I just have a hard time believing you’ve been able to come to the conclusion that he’s the problem when you’ve met him a “few times”
 
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