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Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

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The CyNick said:
The Leafs were in growth mode under Lou. Every year getting better. Given what Lou did basically starting over with the Isles and what Dubas did with a stacked Leafs team, it's crystal clear who is better.

And if you don't believe me, ask the other GMs. They voted Lou #1 in the field two years in a row (first time ever). Ask the agents, they voted Lou must difficult to negotiate with and Dubas easiest. Ask the results where Lou has won what 6 playoff rounds to Dubas 0, and Dubas failed to qualify for round of 16 one of those years.

I can appreciate you like Dubas, I actually respect someone who stands up for their guy in the face of failure. But trying to down talk Lou at this point in a debate about the two GMs is just laughable.
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Congrats on being absolutely correct that Lou really messed up by wasting the best collection of ELC talent in hockey with horrendous contracts.

Baby steps in your growth as a fan.

And yep, Dubey has gone just as far as Lou did, despite not having the luxury if that elite ELC talent.
 
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The CyNick said:
I just want people to be consistent on what the Swedish kids is.

When the Kap trade happened a bunch of people were like this guy is awesome. Can't believe Dubas got the Swedish kid PLUS a first. There's a good chance this guy is in our top six.

Then he gets dealt and the same crew is like "wow what a steal, Dubas used the expansion draft to get McCann and ONLY pay the Swedish kid"

Then we find out he was likely dealt just to ensure we keep Kerfoot and the same crew goes "another genius play by Dubas, now we can KEEP KERFOOT!! and it ONLY cost us the Swedish kids. Dubas is playing chess guys!!"

I never thought much of the Swedish kid. Was happy to be wrong about it. But I do not support paying assets to keep a player like Kerfoot at over $3M. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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Sure, but the price for Kerfoot's replacement-- a McCann-type player -- will go up after the expansion draft.

Dubas is smart enough to have done his shopping while the player was on sale.
 
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The CyNick said:
The Leafs were in growth mode under Lou. Every year getting better. Given what Lou did basically starting over with the Isles and what Dubas did with a stacked Leafs team, it's crystal clear who is better.

And if you don't believe me, ask the other GMs. They voted Lou #1 in the field two years in a row (first time ever). Ask the agents, they voted Lou must difficult to negotiate with and Dubas easiest. Ask the results where Lou has won what 6 playoff rounds to Dubas 0, and Dubas failed to qualify for round of 16 one of those years.

I can appreciate you like Dubas, I actually respect someone who stands up for their guy in the face of failure. But trying to down talk Lou at this point in a debate about the two GMs is just laughable.
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Good thing the Leafs were in a growth mode under Lou. They finished last. There was nowhere to go but up.

He also benefitted from a strong pool of previously drafted prospects.
 
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McCann - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - XXX - Mikheyev
XXX - Brooks - Spezza
Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - XXX
Dermott
 
zeke said:
If only the leafs had some terrible contracts they could expose like those other teams!
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It is nice having only 4 forwards worth protecting. Less opportunity for the GM to get it wrong.

francis246 said:
“come play with Matthews and Marner”
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.........and you can be in your off season home with the fam by May:sarcasm:
 
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tronoleaf said:
McCann - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - XXX - Mikheyev
XXX - Brooks - Spezza
Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - XXX
Dermott
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Like the idea, problem is if Lilly can't handle top 4 mins then you are in real trouble. At least with Holl you know what you have with him and has played in top 4 whether you like him or not, he's done a decent job.

I think best case scenario coming out of the ED draft now is that Seattle gives us an IOU for taking Hakstol from us and takes Dermott.

XXX - Matthews - Marner
McCann - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Kerfoot - Mikheyev
Spezza - Engvall - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - XXX
XXX

Campbell
XXX

Gives Toronto 7.915m to fill out the rest of the roster, which to me is plenty of space to find a solid winger, 6th/7th dman and backup. Now whether that lineup is good enough to compete and play hard in the playoffs is another story.
 
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Torontonian said:
Like the idea, problem is if Lilly can't handle top 4 mins then you are in real trouble. At least with Holl you know what you have with him and has played in top 4 whether you like him or not, he's done a decent job.

I think best case scenario coming out of the ED draft now is that Seattle gives us an IOU for taking Hakstol from us and takes Dermott.

XXX - Matthews - Marner
McCann - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Kerfoot - Mikheyev
Spezza - Engvall - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - XXX
XXX

Campbell
XXX

Gives Toronto 7.915m to fill out the rest of the roster, which to me is plenty of space to find a solid winger, 6th/7th dman and backup. Now whether that lineup is good enough to compete and play hard in the playoffs is another story.
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If we’re going with ideal world, then Seattle takes Engvall and the Leafs trade Kerfoot for a semi-major off-season shakeup. Gives them cap space to fill out the remainder of the roster.
 
zeke said:
Congrats on being absolutely correct that Lou really messed up by wasting the best collection of ELC talent in hockey with horrendous contracts.

Baby steps in your growth as a fan.

And yep, Dubey has gone just as far as Lou did, despite not having the luxury if that elite ELC talent.
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Lou didn't mess up anything. He progressed the team every year and then moved on to another team and had even more success. Dubas started at the 60m mark in a 100m race and is now at the 20m mark. Sad.
 
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egd27 said:
I wonder how much of this is actually valuing Kerfoot versus Kid Kyle trying to save face by not losing both assets acquired in the Kadri trade within 2 seasons for nothing.
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If this was the angle he just goes 7-3-1.
 
The CyNick said:
Lou didn't mess up anything. He progressed the team every year and then moved on to another team and had even more success. Dubas started at the 60m mark in a 100m race and is now at the 20m mark. Sad.
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But you just told us how you were so right about the Leafs wasting those ELC years?


Were you right or not?

Because those were Lou years, not dubas years.
 
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Definitely a part of me that wishes we went 7-3-1 after that McCann deal.
Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Kerfoot, McCann, Simmonds or Spezza (just to fill out the 7). Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie. Campbell.
Doesn't much matter anymore. I wanna see McCann in a Leafs jersey though. And I think Holl gone could be replaced by Dermott or another UFA D signing worth 2 mil that's looking for a chance. Kerfoot gone would free up a nice chunk of change, but no telling now if that'll happen. McCann is slightly younger, C/W versatility the same as Kerfoot, bigger body, better offensive totals, better cap hit. I just don't see how they go Kerfoot unless our former coaches that're now there, value that familiarity
 
PromisedLand said:
wohhh... I didn't know that. What the hell? What was the justification that was given to allow this?
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Vegas is exempt because it was agreed when they entered the league.

From How the NHL expansion draft will work for the Seattle Kraken

"The Golden Knights do not have to give up a player in the expansion draft, a deal owner Bill Foley struck with the NHL in their original franchise agreement in 2016. The only downside for Vegas? Foley doesn't get a cut of Seattle's $650 million expansion fee, which equates to a $21.67 million check for the other 30 teams.
This was a typical practice for the NHL in the frenzied 1990s, when the league added nine teams over course of the decade. For example, when the Minnesota Wild and Columbus Blue Jackets held a joint expansion draft in 2000, they didn't select players from the Atlanta Thrashers (who joined in 1999) or Nashville Predators (1998), as they were the two new kids on the block still finding their way."
 
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