Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

[supermann_98]

So if the Leafs had acquired MacKinnon for Hallander and a 7th, you’d be ok with him being left exposed by Dubas because “it’s essentially like them taking option #1”?

McCann and Kerfoot are roughly the same player. MacKinnon? Is this a serious question?

See y'all after the expansion draft I can't handle the stupidity I'm reading in this thread any longer (not aimed specifically at you GoldenJet) but some of the others crying about Holl being protected over two replacement level third liners like it's the end of the world has gotten real old real fast

 

[PromisedLand]

Did Dubas consider trading Holl for a younger forward worth protecting and go 7-3-1 ?

Its funny it just struck me how dubas' incompetence might have led McFarland to resign after Babcock was fired. I think he saw that dubas has no clue.

and now is back to being an assistant coach under hakstol who he has worked previously with the Leafs.

it is amazing you still think dubas can think anything remotely productive that would lead to Leafs success

 

[mydnyte]

Potential Seattle Lineup being speculated already in mocks:

Domi-Drouin-Tarasenko
van Reimsdyk-Gourde-Ritchie
Johnsson-Kerfoot-Donato
Jamkrok-Tierney-Aston-Reese

Demelo-Giordano
Stecher-Zadorov
Bean-Soucy

Holtby
Driedger

Not too shabby.

I figure, if i'm going to complain, put up, or shut up...

Domi - Johansen - Niederreiter
Dadonov - Bailey - Gourde
Girgensons - Kerfoot - Compher
Nieto - Appleton - Ritchie

Zadorov - DeAngelo
Gostisbhere - Stecher
Dunn - Hamonic
Sekera - Fleury

Price
Driedger
Kahkonen/Vanecek
...and if Price is too injured, then it would have to be Drouin

 

[The CyNick]

ran it into the ground.....by getting exactly as far as Lou did in the playoffs, but without the massive benefit of having the greatest collection of cheap ELC talent in the league, like Lou inherited?

The Leafs were in growth mode under Lou. Every year getting better. Given what Lou did basically starting over with the Isles and what Dubas did with a stacked Leafs team, it's crystal clear who is better.

And if you don't believe me, ask the other GMs. They voted Lou #1 in the field two years in a row (first time ever). Ask the agents, they voted Lou must difficult to negotiate with and Dubas easiest. Ask the results where Lou has won what 6 playoff rounds to Dubas 0, and Dubas failed to qualify for round of 16 one of those years.

I can appreciate you like Dubas, I actually respect someone who stands up for their guy in the face of failure. But trying to down talk Lou at this point in a debate about the two GMs is just laughable.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

I figure, if i'm going to complain, put up, or shut up...

Domi - Johansen - Niederreiter
Dadonov - Bailey - Gourde
Girgensons - Kerfoot - Compher
Nieto - Appleton - Ritchie

Zadorov - DeAngelo
Gostisbhere - Stecher
Dunn - Hamonic
Sekera - Fleury

Price
Driedger
Kahkonen/Vanecek
...and if Price is too injured, then it would have to be Drouin

That contract would be really tough to take on

 

[mydnyte]

That contract would be really tough to take on

yea, the contract sucks, but, he's sort of a #1C that wouldnt be stifled by the Nashville defensive syndrome, and if he goes back to like he played at Columbus, he'd be a legit #1C
I'd argue that Vegas still doesnt have a #1C for example.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Yep, at a total cost of Hallander and a 7th.

I like the idea of keeping prospects…specially if this move was done to protect Kerfoot who I like but he doesn’t accomplish much in the grand scheme of things (one playoff series excepted)

 

[The CyNick]

I like the idea of keeping prospects…specially if this move was done to protect Kerfoot who I like but he doesn’t accomplish much in the grand scheme of things (one playoff series excepted)

I just want people to be consistent on what the Swedish kids is.

When the Kap trade happened a bunch of people were like this guy is awesome. Can't believe Dubas got the Swedish kid PLUS a first. There's a good chance this guy is in our top six.

Then he gets dealt and the same crew is like "wow what a steal, Dubas used the expansion draft to get McCann and ONLY pay the Swedish kid"

Then we find out he was likely dealt just to ensure we keep Kerfoot and the same crew goes "another genius play by Dubas, now we can KEEP KERFOOT!! and it ONLY cost us the Swedish kids. Dubas is playing chess guys!!"

I never thought much of the Swedish kid. Was happy to be wrong about it. But I do not support paying assets to keep a player like Kerfoot at over $3M. It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

I remember posting at that time we need to take advantage of those years because we would never have that kind of depth again. As usual, I was eventually proven correct.

Is there anything you haven't predicted?

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I wonder if part of the strategy may have been to protect Holl because Dubas knows Hakstol is a huge fan of him.

Given the contracts of some of the quality forwards available and the lack of quality defensemen on the list., Holl/Dermott would be much cheaper fits in an area of need rather than Kerfoot/McCann.

Not saying it's the smart way to go for Seattle but it's the only reason I can think of to go 4-4-1.

Gives Dubas the leverage to ask for a trade for Holl or let them have Dermott and either way pencil in Sandin/Liljegren next season on the bottom pair.

 

[Dreakmur]

I figure, if i'm going to complain, put up, or shut up...

Domi - Johansen - Niederreiter
Dadonov - Bailey - Gourde
Girgensons - Kerfoot - Compher
Nieto - Appleton - Ritchie

Zadorov - DeAngelo
Gostisbhere - Stecher
Dunn - Hamonic
Sekera - Fleury

Price
Driedger
Kahkonen/Vanecek
...and if Price is too injured, then it would have to be Drouin

If I’m picking….

Frank Vatrano - Janni Gourde - Josh Bailey
Alex Kerfoot - Chris Tierney - Paul Byron
Andreas Athanasiou - Tyler Johnson - Jonas Donskoi
Zach Aston-Reese - Nick Cousins - Christian Fischer

Mark Giordano - Dylan Demelo
Jake Bean - Haydn Fleury
Vince Dunn - Jeremy Lauzon

Chris Drieger
Kaapo Kahkonen

Extra forwards - Tyler Benson, Jonah Gadjovick, Nathan Bastian, Julien Gauthier, Ryan Donato, Adam Gaudette, Adam Mascherin

Extra defensemen - Dennis Cholowski, Robert Hagg, Gabriel Carlson, William Burgen

Extra goalie - Vitelli Vanicek

 

[Mess]

If I’m picking….

Frank Vatrano - Janni Gourde - Josh Bailey
Alex Kerfoot - Chris Tierney - Paul Byron
Andreas Athanasiou - Tyler Johnson - Jonas Donskoi
Zach Aston-Reese - Nick Cousins - Christian Fischer

Mark Giordano - Dylan Demelo
Jake Bean - Haydn Fleury
Vince Dunn - Jeremy Lauzon

Chris Drieger
Kaapo Kahkonen

Extra forwards - Tyler Benson, Jonah Gadjovick, Nathan Bastian, Julien Gauthier, Ryan Donato, Adam Gaudette, Adam Mascherin

Extra defensemen - Dennis Cholowski, Robert Hagg, Gabriel Carlson, William Burgen

Extra goalie - Vitelli Vanicek

Keep in mind Seattle must spend at least 60% minimum of the cap of $81.5 mil on expansion players as per the rules= $48.9 mil on player salaries.

That does seem a little light for approx $50 mil in contracts.

 

[deprw]

Lets be honest here and point out the elephant in the room, and the one sitting on the GMs lap.

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The fact that Leafs spend 1/2 their cap on just 4 forwards, really exposes how little depth the team has around them, as they don't even have enough forwards worth protecting using the 7-3-1 like 90% of all the other NHL teams did EVEN after they acquired McCann.

Making 4-4-1 and protecting 2 less skaters their only real option where they valued their 4th dman Holl worth the price of 3 forward protection spots.

Lets ponder that thought and let it sink in for a second, the Leafs could have (if they had any) protected the core 4 F + 3 additions forwards at the expense of Justin Holl.

This is a team that claims its Cup competitive and doesn't have even 7 forwards of the 12 you dress in a normal game worth protecting from expansion loss.

Now that is the definition of being in Cap Hell when even an expansion team is struggling with who to take as your willing to give them your 5th best forward and anyone else below that!!! Even bottom feeding teams like Ottawa, Detroit and Buffalo have 7 forwards they want to keep and protect from expansion, but not our Leafs who only have 5 and 6 after McCann was added.

Get some sleep old man, it's basic calculations that adding top4 RHD with 2mil contract is worth more than our forwards. All teams will do these and then choose best plan possible. If you want to add top4 dman it will cost you lot more than 2million in cap space. There are more options on forwards on UFA market. Seattle would have added Holl if given a chance to do that.

Stupid random hot take once again from you.

 

[Trapper]

I just want people to be consistent on what the Swedish kids is.

When the Kap trade happened a bunch of people were like this guy is awesome. Can't believe Dubas got the Swedish kid PLUS a first. There's a good chance this guy is in our top six.

Then he gets dealt and the same crew is like "wow what a steal, Dubas used the expansion draft to get McCann and ONLY pay the Swedish kid"

Then we find out he was likely dealt just to ensure we keep Kerfoot and the same crew goes "another genius play by Dubas, now we can KEEP KERFOOT!! and it ONLY cost us the Swedish kids. Dubas is playing chess guys!!"

I never thought much of the Swedish kid. Was happy to be wrong about it. But I do not support paying assets to keep a player like Kerfoot at over $3M. It just doesn't make sense to me.

The amount of flip-flopping on Dubas moves would put Side Show Bob to shame.

Wow we got a great prospect t for nothing.
Ah, we traded nothing to keep whatever.
Good moves.

 

[Dreakmur]

Keep in mind Seattle must spend at least 60% minimum of the cap of $81.5 mil on expansion players as per the rules= $48.9 mil on player salaries.

That does seem a little light for approx $50 mil in contracts.

Once all the RFA contracts get signed, it’s over 60 million.

 

[tronoleaf]

You seem very hung up on the 7-3-1.

If you trade Holl who do we replace him with?

Holl also likely holds far more value following the ED than trying to trade him before.

Liljegren!!!

 

[kb]

I like the idea of keeping prospects…specially if this move was done to protect Kerfoot who I like but he doesn’t accomplish much in the grand scheme of things (one playoff series excepted)

I agree to an extent on that.

The thing is, Hallander (IMO) was behind Roberston and Amirov on the LW depth chart for prospects, and based on his second half and playoff performance, I would put Holmberg ahead too. I think Holmberg's emergence made Hallander expendable.

Seattle was playing hardball wanting a 1st and 3rd for any side deals, so Dubas pivoted and went out and got one of their targets for very little, and now instead of taking McCann from Pitts and Kerfoot from the Leafs as the reports were saying they wanted....Seattle has to choose, and the Leafs having both McCann and Kerfoot mitigates the loss of the other one.

Especially with the issue of UFA's possibly avoiding Canada like Bogo because of their stricter rules.....better to get players in trades in this climate.

 

[deprw]

The Leafs were in growth mode under Lou. Every year getting better. Given what Lou did basically starting over with the Isles and what Dubas did with a stacked Leafs team, it's crystal clear who is better.

And if you don't believe me, ask the other GMs. They voted Lou #1 in the field two years in a row (first time ever). Ask the agents, they voted Lou must difficult to negotiate with and Dubas easiest. Ask the results where Lou has won what 6 playoff rounds to Dubas 0, and Dubas failed to qualify for round of 16 one of those years.

I can appreciate you like Dubas, I actually respect someone who stands up for their guy in the face of failure. But trying to down talk Lou at this point in a debate about the two GMs is just laughable.

Why this GM of your dreams failed to do what you could predict? And gave up on perfect chance to contend on those ELCs. Why he wasn't GMOTY here?

Your logic is failed here.

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

hyman, kerfoot gone, foligno gone. who will hit and take a hit? is bogo staying i hope?

 

[Stonehands1990]

This completely ignores that we had Jared McCann on the roster and could’ve easily protected him to keep him on our team.

Reread the 1st point

 

[Leaf Fans]

Its funny it just struck me how dubas' incompetence might have led McFarland to resign after Babcock was fired. I think he saw that dubas has no clue.

and now is back to being an assistant coach under hakstol who he has worked previously with the Leafs.

it is amazing you still think dubas can think anything remotely productive that would lead to Leafs success

No, what happened was he became coach of Kingston and they didn't play during the Pandemic. So, he took an opertunity with Seattle.

 

[TMLisSRYinGerman]

Do you think there is a chance they take Freddy?

 

[Leaf Fans]

People will read what I write. Trust me.

I read them like I read most posts, there are a lot more accurate posts from far more knowledgeable posters than you, but I still read them.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

McCann and Kerfoot are roughly the same player. MacKinnon? Is this a serious question?

Not a serious question, just an exercise to point out a logical fallacy.

 

[Ciao]

Did Dubas consider trading Holl for a younger forward worth protecting and go 7-3-1 ?

Seriously, you're asking whether Dubas considered trading Holl?

Have you considered how anyone would possibly know the answer?

Maybe you should ask him.