Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

[francis246]

What's sad is that he is clearly going all in on his philosphy and not really adjusting to build his team into a winner. Its clear winning in the RS and Playoffs are very different. Hockey moreso than other sports.

Lou made a comment when he was GM here saying you have to build a team like an orchestra .. you need different instruments in order for it to sound the best it can be.

Right now, we have too many guitarists / guys looking to score. We need more 2 way guys.

I really dont get this Mccan deal and giving up pick, prospect only for Seattle to take him. He's worried about losing Kerfoot, not sure why

Hes going to get another 2 years with his dufus coach keefe whos in over his head .. thats another blunder

Steve Dangle explained it if you watch his LFR video and it does make sense. Seattle is asking for a 1st and 3rd in order to not choose Kerfoot. That price is way too high. So Toronto decides lets pay Hallinder and a 7th instead to get Jared McCann. We expose Kerfoot, McCann and Dermott and make Seattle have a very tough decision. If Seattle takes Dermott, then we have McCann and Kerfoot and have filled a spot on the wing because one of them is playing LW and we only lose our 7th defenseman. If Seattle takes McCann, then essentially we payed a prospect and a 7th to keep Kerfoot which is cheaper than a 1st and 3rd. If Seattle takes Kerfoot then we at least have McCann who is probably an upgrade on Kerfoot and a slightly cheaper on the cap.

It's really a win win win situation

 

[taurine330]

Steve Dangle explained it if you watch his LFR video and it does make sense. Seattle is asking for a 1st and 3rd in order to not choose Kerfoot. That price is way too high. So Toronto decides lets pay Hallinder and a 7th instead to get Jared McCann. We expose Kerfoot, McCann and Dermott and make Seattle have a very tough decision. If Seattle takes Dermott, then we have McCann and Kerfoot and have filled a spot on the wing because one of them is playing LW and we only lose our 7th defenseman. If Seattle takes McCann, then essentially we payed a prospect and a 7th to keep Kerfoot which is cheaper than a 1st and 3rd. If Seattle takes Kerfoot then we at least have McCann who is probably an upgrade on Kerfoot and a slightly cheaper on the cap.

It's really a win win win situation

Thanks for putting this into a writing. Somehow it flies over people's heads.

 

[francis246]

I think it was like that because he was the best option from the Leafs.

With McCann here now, I think it changes things.

meh I'm not really buying it, I think Toronto is hoping that getting McCann sways Seattle away from Kerfoot, but I think Kerfoot's speed, lower real dollars, another year of term will make him the easy choice for Seattle

 

[Stigma]

Seravelli on his pod: Said he was "pretty sure" Seattle wanted both McCann and Kerfoot, werent happy when Pit traded McCann for "nothing".

Thinks it will be Kerfoot but didnt sound very sure of it. Said Seattle will have to think long and hard about McCann.

Imo, sounds like Seattle wasnt expecting to have to choose between Kerfoot or McCann and now the rumours of Seattle taking Kerfoot might be outdated.

Ha! I like this. The hunter becomes the hunted. Francis trying to pull a Vegas with his ridiculous demands and Pittsburgh and the Leafs turn the tables on him.

 

[LeafsFan89]

Overlooking?? It’s mentioned at least a 100 times a day.

I don't read all the posts. Pretty dreadful here lately. So my apologies.

 

[Mickey Marner]

People need to realize that a lot of those deals aren’t available. After you trade a player for pennies on the dollar, they still have to expose and lose a player to the expansion draft. Why lose two players for next to nothing when you can only lose one for nothing?

Someone (Servalli?) reported that he's never seen so many players available. We could also have leveraged an exempt player like Mikheyev for a guy who needs protection like Appleton. All management did and all management could've done aren't synonymous.

 

[gabeliscious]

meh I'm not really buying it, I think Toronto is hoping that getting McCann sways Seattle away from Kerfoot, but I think Kerfoot's speed, lower real dollars, another year of term will make him the easy choice

I think most of us would prefer mccann at $2.95 or whatever he makes to kerfoot at $3.5. It isnt much but given our cap half a million is helpful

 

[GoonieFace]

The Leafs should be thrilled if Seattle takes Kerfoot.

 

[Burnie97]

I'll post this here again too

 

[Magic Man]

“I wanted it this way so every other way is wrong”

The Leafs need cap space. Kerfoot is one player that really does not need to be here.

Kerfoot probably doesn't bring Hallander back in trade considering Johnsson only pulled Anderson who was closer to waivers. So, it cost the Leafs a prospect that had higher value than Kerfoot to protect him when they need cap space and he is the obvious choice to reclaim some. That doesn't make literal sense.

 

[Cor]

I'll post this here again too

This completely ignores that we had Jared McCann on the roster and could’ve easily protected him to keep him on our team.

 

[Racer88]

I agree. People are overlooking that Matthews and Marner have been absent from the score sheet the last two playoff rounds.

They sure aren’t absent on payday……

 

[francis246]

I think most of us would prefer mccann at $2.95 or whatever he makes to kerfoot at $3.5. It isnt much but given our cap half a million is helpful

of course, cap aside McCann is a better player

 

[francis246]

This completely ignores that we had Jared McCann on the roster and could’ve easily protected him to keep him on our team.

Easily is a strong word, we lose Holl and who’s replacing him? We’d have no RHD under contract on the main roster. Then have to pay 3x Holl for Hamilton, just seems like more poor cap management

 

[rumman]

Ha! I like this. The hunter becomes the hunted. Francis trying to pull a Vegas with his ridiculous demands and Pittsburgh and the Leafs turn the tables on him.

Francis’ job is to build the Cracken not accommodate other team’s agendas. Nothing ridiculous about what he’s doing.

 

[ottomaddox]

Thanks for putting this into a writing. Somehow it flies over people's heads.

What flies over people's heads?

Who is saying that the price of selecting Kerfoot is a 1st and a 3rd?

I think other people here are displaying plenty of confusion. They are stating opinion as fact (once again).

Why would it cost so much to get Seattle to select Kerfoot?

You can't have it both ways.

You can't have Seattle take Kerfoot and then panic when he does get selected. It's just an average depth forward we're talking about.

 

[Cor]

Easily is a strong word, we lose Holl and who’s replacing him? We’d have no RHD under contract on the main roster. Then have to pay 3x Holl for Hamilton, just seems like more poor cap management

You think the only person we could replace Holl with is Dougie Hamilton?

 

[Thornbury]

He is not Cannon fodder. He is a decent prospect.

Correct, he was a second round pick who seemed to be developing nicely. I'll be very disappointed if we simply gave him away to avoid the risk of losing Holl.

 

[fahad203]

Steve Dangle explained it if you watch his LFR video and it does make sense. Seattle is asking for a 1st and 3rd in order to not choose Kerfoot. That price is way too high. So Toronto decides lets pay Hallinder and a 7th instead to get Jared McCann. We expose Kerfoot, McCann and Dermott and make Seattle have a very tough decision. If Seattle takes Dermott, then we have McCann and Kerfoot and have filled a spot on the wing because one of them is playing LW and we only lose our 7th defenseman. If Seattle takes McCann, then essentially we payed a prospect and a 7th to keep Kerfoot which is cheaper than a 1st and 3rd. If Seattle takes Kerfoot then we at least have McCann who is probably an upgrade on Kerfoot and a slightly cheaper on the cap.

It's really a win win win situation

Or just let Seattle pick Kerfoot and let's be done with it. He's part of a losing culture and doesn't bring much
I understand he's the last piece of a horrible trade but let's move on

Stop over GMing. Let Seattle pick Kerfoot, we still to McCan and move forward. What's the problem here?

 

[francis246]

You think the only person we could replace Holl with is Dougie Hamilton?

of course not, there are probably other options out there, maybe David Savard, Adam Larsson, Erik Gudbranson for example but the issue is any replacement you bring in will most likely cost you more than Holl to provide something similar.

 

[Brobust]

I'll post this here again too

Smart but not sexy. Not aggressive.

 

[Magic Man]

I still maintain the only way the deal makes sense is if there is a side deal with Seattle. Trading a good prospect for McCann to protect Kerfoot is one of the most ridiculous plans I've ever heard. The expansion draft was our golden horseshoe with him, he was clearly the best target for Seattle and the Leafs could have done a lot with his cap space. Now, McCann is clearly the top choice to select. But, the Leafs underpayed on him. Which makes sense especially if they have to now pay Seattle to protect him. It's essentially full price in two trades instead of one because of circumstance. What wouldn't make sense would be buying an asset better than the one on the roster for an asset more valuable than him plus a 7th.

I would have much rather had 3.5M in cap space and Hallander than Alex Kerfoot given the slam dunk it appeared to be pre-expansion that he was going. Which is why I just don't buy that something isn't lined up with Seattle. If there isn't he botched an easy lay up at the last second and I am furious to start the off-season.

I just don't think he is dumb enough to do that. McCann was an ideal target who Dubas had a chance to get because of expansion at a slightly reduced price. The 5 day process where no one is speaking is making people look at every angle, like they did with the exposed list, but he made the easy choice like he should of with that. He did the right thing and protected Holl, while leaving Kerfoot exposed, despite getting McCann making it easier to go 7-3-1. So, I'm going to have faith that he worked this out.

 

[francis246]

Or just let Seattle pick Kerfoot and let's be done with it. He's part of a losing culture and doesn't bring much
I understand he's the last piece of a horrible trade but let's move on

Stop over GMing. Let Seattle pick Kerfoot, we still to McCan and move forward. What's the problem here?

the issue is then you are forced to expose Holl in order to do that. I honestly believe that the leafs feel that with the 7-3-1 method, Holl would be taken. Especially considering Hakstol coached the leafs defense, and they relied on him so much. That's the only valid explanation. Otherwise I think they would have gone with the 7-3-1 and protected McCann. Also if we were okay with just letting seattle get Kerfoot, we don't trade for McCann. In order to increase the odds of Kerfoot being selected this move was necessary, it's not that hard to understand.

 

[WTFMAN99]

This completely ignores that we had Jared McCann on the roster and could’ve easily protected him to keep him on our team.

Could have kept Kerfoot & McCann

Risk Dermott/Holl

If it's Holl...who cares? People make a big fuss over him playing top 4 for 2M but the reality is he's not that good...we should be looking to upgrade. He's VERY reliant upon Muzzin to look competent.

 

[Burnie97]

This completely ignores that we had Jared McCann on the roster and could’ve easily protected him to keep him on our team.

It doesn't ignore it. It's just 3 likely scenarios. Seems most people prefer McCann.

Otherwise you expose Holl if they went 7-3-1. At this point it is what it is.

I dont think Leafs are losing 1 player you can't replace either way. Still plenty of off season left.