Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

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Dubas is a pin head
Gonna lose in 1st round again rolling back with this crap team

When is Vegas taking McCan from us?
Seattle had 72 hours finalize their team. Vegas cannot take any players until the roster freeze is lifted on the 22nd. Then they can trade for him unless Seattle takes him in the expansion draft.
 
The thing is serviceable big wingspan defensemen of various quality are moved in this league on a pretty regular basis but the reason why Justin Holl seems like such a rare asset is because our brain trust doesn't spend a lot of time or effort in the defenseman market.

-David Savard was acquired at the deadline for the low low sticker price of a Nick Foligno.
-Devon Toews was traded last summer for 2x 2nd round picks and is now firmly entrenched in Colorado's Top 3.
-Jamie Oleksiak was acquired by Dallas for a 4th round pick a year before Dallas went on their finals run.
-Joel Edmundson was acquired from St. Louis by Montreal for a 5th round pick (and re-signed) last summer.
-Hadyn Fleury (project prospect and former first rounder) was acquired for next to nothing by Anaheim at the deadline.

They all make more money and cost more than a 7th and hallander to obtain. What is your point?
 
I like grabbing McCann at that price. I also like the list. There literally is no worst case scenario.

Kerfoot is overpaid in a cap league.
McCann came to us cheap.
Dermott at LHD is less necessary than Holl at RHD.
 
I suppose the way to look at our expansion draft protection list and the McCann trade is this: We essentially payed Hallander +7th to ensure that we'd have a 3rd line centre for next season. Kerfoot or McCann, either way someone will be slotted in to play 3C regardless of who Seattle picks. I'm more at ease with potentially losing McCann for nothing if it means one of the holes we were projected to have next season is already shored up.
 
I liked MCann as a Kerfoot replacement, so its disappointing that McCann will probably get selected.

But maybe theres a chance they like Kerfoot more.
 
& Kerfoot if that is their pick.

The price of McCann is essentially Kerfoot, Hallander and 7th.

C'mon Mess, this makes no sense. Every team (except for Vegas) has to expose players and will lose one. If Seattle takes Kerfoot, then we get to keep McCann...so it's Hallander and a 7th for McCann or Kerfoot.
 
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C'mon Mess, this makes no sense. Every team (except for Vegas) has to expose players and will lose one. If Vegas takes Kerfoot, then we get to keep McCann...so it's Hallander and a 7th for McCann or Kerfoot.

Dubas is an idiot for not having worse players to lose. You can't have a team with too many good players or this happens.
 
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I found it interesting that Vegas is excluded from the ED. So in a nutshell every other team loses a player and is slightly weakened. Keep doing what you do Gary.
Vegas is a delicate pseudo franchise they need the extra help
 
I found it interesting that Vegas is excluded from the ED. So in a nutshell every other team loses a player and is slightly weakened. Keep doing what you do Gary.
But Vegas don't get piece of the $650M expansion fee. Also it make sense they are exempt, because they could just as well be a bottom feeder team, that has yet to make the playoffs. Then you are now taking a played away. It just so happens they are good, but no one knew that before the rules were written. If anything Vegas should be under a trade freeze after the TDL, since they have the unique ability to take on players that are unprotected like Patrick for an exempt player in Glass .
 
Yeah of course, Dubas is protecting Holl because he is "his guy". :rolleyes:
I understand that it's hard to be a Leafs fan, but some people ...
 
Dubas is an idiot for not having worse players to lose. You can't have a team with too many good players or this happens.
Actually it is pretty Smart. Hallander is a fairly worthless prospect. So we Protected Dermott and Kerfoot for what is equivalent to 5h + 7th. They can probably trade Kerfoot post expansion for at least a 3rd round pick. If they take Dermott then we were going to lose him anyways, and we just acquired McCann for next nothing, when his value would have been much higher if there had been no expansion = 2nd rounder+ I would think.
 
RHD and defensemen in general aren't rare acquisitions though. Neither are high quality defensemen in general in the draft, trade market or free agency. They have been particularly challenging for the Maple Leafs in recent years only because they assembled a forward heavy group of prospects and always struggled to find the right trade targets because of the perceived value imbalance. Nylander and Marner were good to give up for a defenseman, Kapanen wasn't good enough. Meanwhile, teams were trading for Dougie Hamilton, Jacob Trouba, the list I provided above, etc. And of course when it comes time to draft these 6'4" defensemen, the Leafs prefer players like Amirov to a Schneider.

There we have dirrefent view, because I think getting those top4 dmans is actually pretty hard for rebuilding team. We are forward heavy, because in our drafts there haven't been any franchise dmans available. I mean guys like Hedman and Doughty, even with Hedman it took years that he got onto that Norris level. Trough trading it's hard or why Lamoriellos best aquisition was Zaitsev?

Teams value defense over offense. I bet we would have liked to trade Kapanen, Johnson etc. for young dman on that same calibre. I think that is the reason we wanted to keep Holl here, because this game is so fast nowadays that you need those right handed dmans and it's just natural that there is more lefties than righties. Which makes it even harder find. If you look up drafts from 2004 to 2021 there isn't that many star dmans on that round or if there is it might beg from 25th pick onwards or took years for that player to reach potential.

As captain hindsight it's easy to say now that we should have drafted Werenski instead of Marner, but the irony is that if we'd do that we wouldn't have forgive our front office on passing Marner when he starts his career the way he started it. Though we got extremely lucky that all our star picks panned out that way in Nylander, Marner and Matthews. In trade capital I think Marner and Nylander won't go 1on1 to same calibre defender, because those top2 dmans are so rare and sought after players.

Trouba is anomaly, because he wanted to play in Rangers. Jets wouldn't have traded him otherwise and he was off the market even then. Hamilton is in my books overrated and journeyman, but yeah have been available. We don't understand how lucky we are for having Rielly, what we paid for Muzzin is what you pay for experienced defense in the NHL. Vegas took lot of defenders and I think Seattle will too, then we should strike and find suitable trades if there is any.

About those Marner talks, if they leak you damn better be ready to trade him, because that trust factor between player and organization is out of the door that same day that happens. Players say that this is business and you can't never be sure, but if you know your on the market that stirs the pot and adds friction to the dressing room. I don't think this is the summer you want that.

Edit. If you analyze drafts those Schneider picks are usually pretty rare to hit.
 
Cooled down a bit.

Dubas approached this too conservatively. I'm not happy about it but there's still time for a major add.
 
Seravelli on his pod: Said he was "pretty sure" Seattle wanted both McCann and Kerfoot, werent happy when Pit traded McCann for "nothing".

Thinks it will be Kerfoot but didnt sound very sure of it. Said Seattle will have to think long and hard about McCann.

Imo, sounds like Seattle wasnt expecting to have to choose between Kerfoot or McCann and now the rumours of Seattle taking Kerfoot might be outdated.
 
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What's sad is that he is clearly going all in on his philosphy and not really adjusting to build his team into a winner. Its clear winning in the RS and Playoffs are very different. Hockey moreso than other sports.

Lou made a comment when he was GM here saying you have to build a team like an orchestra .. you need different instruments in order for it to sound the best it can be.

Right now, we have too many guitarists / guys looking to score. We need more 2 way guys.

I really dont get this Mccan deal and giving up pick, prospect only for Seattle to take him. He's worried about losing Kerfoot, not sure why

Hes going to get another 2 years with his dufus coach keefe whos in over his head .. thats another blunder

Do people even watch the games?

The leafs lost 2 years in a row because they couldn’t put the puck in the net when it mattered most. They were solid defensively in the playoffs.

McCann going to Seattle isn’t a foregone conclusion so maybe wait until after Wednesday to comment on that so confidently.

His dufus head coach is currently 2nd in all time NHL HC W%.
 
Do people even watch the games?

The leafs lost 2 years in a row because they couldn’t put the puck in the net when it mattered most. They were solid defensively in the playoffs.

McCann going to Seattle isn’t a foregone conclusion so maybe wait until after Wednesday to comment on that so confidently.

His dufus head coach is currently 2nd in all time NHL HC W%.

I agree. People are overlooking that Matthews and Marner have been absent from the score sheet the last two playoff rounds.
 
Seravelli on his pod: Said he was "pretty sure" Seattle wanted both McCann and Kerfoot, werent happy when Pit traded McCann for "nothing".

Thinks it will be Kerfoot but didnt sound very sure of it. Said Seattle will have to think long and hard about McCann.

Imo, sounds like Seattle wasnt expecting to have to choose between Kerfoot or McCann and now the rumours of Seattle taking Kerfoot might be outdated.

Would've been nice to buy low for a third forward Francis wanted and protect all three.
 
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Would've been nice to buy low for a third forward Francis wanted and protect all three.

People need to realize that a lot of those deals aren’t available. After you trade a player for pennies on the dollar, they still have to expose and lose a player to the expansion draft. Why lose two players for next to nothing when you can only lose one for nothing?
 
I liked MCann as a Kerfoot replacement, so its disappointing that McCann will probably get selected.

But maybe theres a chance they like Kerfoot more.

I think they are going to take Kerfoot, they have been eying Kerfoot for the last 3 months apparently. So what, all of a sudden that is going to change? I think with the Hakstol connection there too, they know what they have in him.
 
I think they are going to take Kerfoot, they have been eying Kerfoot for the last 3 months apparently. So what, all of a sudden that is going to change? I think with the Hakstol connection there too, they know what they have in him.
I think it was like that because he was the best option from the Leafs.

With McCann here now, I think it changes things.
 
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