Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

[Stonehands1990]

I wanted to lose Kerfoot's cap hit. This isn't a better option.

“I wanted it this way so every other way is wrong”

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't get this management's moaning and groaning about pandemic flat cap reality, like "we didn't see this coming." No one will blame you for that, but your inability to make adjustments in the new reality? That's all on you.

The frustrating part for me is that this claim about the pandemic is as if it only impacted the Leafs while other teams are living on a separate universe where pandemic didnt happen

it is amazing the lengths this management goes to; to hide its incompetence

 

[The Masters]

Dubas is a pin head
Gonna lose in 1st round again rolling back with this crap team

When is Vegas taking McCan from us?

 

[Rob Brown]

Dubas is a pin head
Gonna lose in 1st round again rolling back with this crap team

When is Vegas taking McCan from us?

Vegas? Pot kettle?

 

[New Liskeard]

He’s 37, almost 7 million and has a modified NTC for the year. I guess Calgary doesn’t really have much else to select lol

Calgary does not and did not want to let him go; they tried a side deal but were very unhappy with the cost the Kraken were looking for (this was reported by Montreal as well). Of course they take the top pairing D and former Captain. Maybe even put Demelo on the other side.

BTW, will there be any other teams that will have their top 4 D in tact after the draft? Toronto, Tampa?

 

[The Masters]

Vegas? Pot kettle?

eeeeeee

Seattle**. too many beers

 

[supermann_98]

I don't think there's a big difference. Dermott would probably look like a top 4 guy if he was stapled to Muzzin. Seattle doesn't need Holls relatively low AAV in the short term and Dermott has more upside with his age.

Huuuge assumption, considering he's shown nothing close to being a top 4 the last couple years we lost Reilly and Muzzin for extended periods and he did absolutely nothing

 

[zeke]

Do we really need to boost the Canadian Division up to elevate Toronto's positives?

Nope, it needs no boosting. Facts are facts.



But you guys sure seem to need to falsely diminish the division to boost Toronto's negatives.

 

[Racer88]

The frustrating part for me is that this claim about the pandemic is as if it only impacted the Leafs while other teams are living on a separate universe where pandemic didnt happen

it is amazing the lengths this management goes to; to hide its incompetence

You are spot on. The pandemic affected every team exactly the same

 

[supermann_98]

let me get this straight....

so people are defending dubas because:

1 asset out due to expansion draft anyway + 1 asset (hallander) + 7th rounder out is OK

scenarios were:

• seattle picks one of kerfoot/dermott (cap space and then re-evaluate)
• leafs trade 2nd (hallander) + 7th for McCaan; seattle goes with above or McCann so our asset poor (no prospects/picks in the system) is gone and people are defending this?

wow just wow

People acting like Hallander is the next Forsberg or Backstrom ... he sucks yo. Why else has he been traded twice before he even gets to the AHL?

 

[hamzarocks]

Nope, it needs no boosting. Facts are facts.



But you guys sure seem to need to falsely diminish the division to boost Toronto's negatives.

Everything will become crystal clear next season. If the leafs are as good as Dubas and some fans think they will dominate the Atlantic and come 1st or 2nd in the division while hopefully performing well in the playoffs.

If the North Division was a cakewalk and they find themselves struggling next year they will come 3-6 in the division and be a 1st round exit/nonplayoff team.

We have an offseason to make improvements, hopefully, you guys are right and the team is on the edge of putting it together and becoming a winner.

 

[Nylander88]

So who do we lose now? McCann? That would suck. Not sure why Seattle would want Kerfoot instead. McCann being a player they had with the greyhounds, you'd have to think he's a guy they actually wanna keep. Unless Dubas has some understanding or agreement that Seattle is going to take Kerfoot or Dermott

 

[zeke]

Everything will become crystal clear next season.

Sure will.

But if people are going to post false narratives in the meantime, they should be challenged.

 

[Stephen]

Nope, it needs no boosting. Facts are facts.



But you guys sure seem to need to falsely diminish the division to boost Toronto's negatives.

Not really. I've said all along that the Leafs accomplishments in the North Division don't need to be qualified against the quality of the division. You win a division, you win a division. You win a round, you win a round. If you go to the conference finals and it was easy, it was easy. No shame in it. I'm just not in the habit of tire pumping any of those teams or talk about how great the division was to make whatever the Leafs did more significant. Like I'm really going to make a case for the merits of Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, Winnipeg and Montreal?

 

[Legion34]

I wanted to lose Kerfoot's cap hit. This isn't a better option.

we can trade him

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Huuuge assumption, considering he's shown nothing close to being a top 4 the last couple years we lost Reilly and Muzzin for extended periods and he did absolutely nothing

He was top 4 quality in those guy's absences, and there were games where the other LD in our lineup were Sandin and Rosen.

 

[zeke]

Not really. I've said all along that the Leafs accomplishments in the North Division don't need to be qualified against the quality of the division. You win a division, you win a division. You win a round, you win a round. If you go to the conference finals and it was easy, it was easy. No shame in it. I'm just not in the habit of tire pumping any of those teams or talk about how great the division was to make whatever the Leafs did more significant.

I'm not tire pumping anything. I'm correcting the opposite.

 

[Stephen]

I'm not tire pumping anything. I'm correcting the opposite.

You can uncouple the Leafs various accomplishments from any critique of the division like one diminishes the other. One can say, "that was a lousy division" without it reflecting poorly on Toronto.

 

[Legion34]

The frustrating part for me is that this claim about the pandemic is as if it only impacted the Leafs while other teams are living on a separate universe where pandemic didnt happen

it is amazing the lengths this management goes to; to hide its incompetence

???? It happened to many other teams. You just get upset about it because it is Toronto.

The leafs got hit harder because they had the 2 biggest RFA contract right before

but teams are walking away from talent that would never have been considered before.

look around the league. Toronto actually did better than most navigating the cap.

 

[zeke]

You can uncouple the Leafs various accomplishments from any critique of the division like one diminishes the other. One can say, "that was a lousy division" without it reflecting poorly on Toronto.

But it wasn't a lousy division.

 

[trellaine201]

Dubas is a pin head
Gonna lose in 1st round again rolling back with this crap team

When is Vegas taking McCan from us?

I don't think its a given we make the playoffs. They will have to perform for sure.

 

[stickty111]

I don't think its a given we make the playoffs. They will have to perform for sure.

You can say that for anyone except Tampa.

 

[keonsbitterness]

But it wasn't a lousy division.

Such a dumb debate in a season without inter-division games.

You can say that for anyone except Tampa.

A few key injuries plus other assorted turmoil and even they could struggle.

 

[SeenSchenn2]

I like that Dubas is a creative and smart guy, but between: completely screwing up the Matthews/Marner contract, overpaying for Foligno when he's not what was needed, and protecting Holl (and I'm sure there's more), it's getting harder to defend him.

Committing to a 29 y/o bottom pair defenseman (just because he plays 20 mins doesn't mean he should) because he's 'your guy' is incredibly stubborn. I'll be pretty upset if SEA takes McCann.

 

[The Masters]

I like that Dubas is a creative and smart guy, but between: completely screwing up the Matthews/Marner contract, overpaying for Foligno when he's not what was needed, and protecting Holl (and I'm sure there's more), it's getting harder to defend him.

Committing to a 29 y/o bottom pair defenseman (just because he plays 20 mins doesn't mean he should) because he's 'your guy' is incredibly stubborn. I'll be pretty upset if SEA takes McCann.

What's sad is that he is clearly going all in on his philosphy and not really adjusting to build his team into a winner. Its clear winning in the RS and Playoffs are very different. Hockey moreso than other sports.

Lou made a comment when he was GM here saying you have to build a team like an orchestra .. you need different instruments in order for it to sound the best it can be.

Right now, we have too many guitarists / guys looking to score. We need more 2 way guys.

I really dont get this Mccan deal and giving up pick, prospect only for Seattle to take him. He's worried about losing Kerfoot, not sure why

Hes going to get another 2 years with his dufus coach keefe whos in over his head .. thats another blunder