Friedman: Leafs do not see Marner making more than Kane

[Nervousbreakdown]

Show me the list of comparables that scored 94+ points in their contract year.

It's a pretty short list.

Why are you resorting to name calling?

Probably because you know everyone that is saying Marner is going to get paid are correct.

How about Patrick Kane who scored 88 points in his contract year, scored 76 goals and 168 primary points. Marner had 67 g and 170 primary points.

 

[Red Piller]

Ummmmm he has always been our best player ? Okay. I’m sure you know best.

When Matthews won the calder? Marner was better?

When Marner had 2 goals i his first 36 games? Marner was better?

When Matthews came back from a busted shoulder and still outscored marner. Marner was better?

When Matthews had to carry around rookies and still scored at the exact same rate as Marner until he got 8 assists on empty net goals. He was better

When Matthews scored more goals. Points and blocked more shots in the playoffs Marner was better?

All those times?

Im glad you cleared that up. There should be a “stir the drink” tax that puts Marner to be the highest paid winger in NHL history.

Makes sense

Why so snippy? Marner is a better player right now, then. Happy? No need to be a dickhead.

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

Why so snippy? Marner is a better player right now, then. Happy? No need to be a ********.

Even then its not true. Thats not a a knock on Marner its just a fact, his point total exploded this season because he was given one of the best goal scoring centers in the game and got to play on the power play with another one as well. Marner had an amazing season and he and Tavares are gonna tear it up for years but hes 3rd on the team right now and probably stays 3rd until Tavares starts to decline. Being 3rd behind Matthews and Tavares isn't a bad place to be lol.

 

[Icebreakers]

Read Jeff Veillette's deep dive into the Marner contract debate. It looks at a number of comparables and even discusses the Mattews deal and his comparables.

Let's talk about Mitch Marner

Marner should not make a cent less than 10,568,590 which is the offersheet cutoff of 2 firsts a second and a third. Marner is easily worth offer sheeting at that price and for any team that acquires him automatically becomes at least a bubbling playoff team.

90% of the teams with those picks available would easily offer that up for Marner without thinking twice. Now if he wants to take a discount then good for him and the leafs.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It's not when he's leaving a MINIMUM of two million a year on the table. He's not taking less than Matthews. Bookmark this post and roast the **** out of me if I'm wrong.

I mean 9.5 million a year is literally a boatload of money regardless. That was my point lol.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I think you will see him end up in the 10M range for 6 years. However if the Leafs want to get it done earlier it might cost them more. With so many young star RFA's this year Marner and his agent would be foolish to go first, wait and see what the market sets for other comparables, because Marner is likely the best of the bunch and should be paid accordingly. You just know a lot of the guys will drag it out into July/August.

 

[bustamente]

Leafs will sign Marner might take some serious negotiations, but you can't have 4 forwards making close to 40 M on a team with a few holes in it and that's not very good.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Leafs will sign Marner might take some serious negotiations, but you can't have 4 forwards making close to 40 M on a team with a few holes in it and that's not very good.

Few big holes.

 

[Advanced stats]

Leafs will sign Marner might take some serious negotiations, but you can't have 4 forwards making close to 40 M on a team with a few holes in it and that's not very good.

Every team has a "few holes"

Toronto has two top 10 centers, a top 10 winger, a 1D, a 2D and a great starting goalie

 

[McFlyingV]

Even then its not true. Thats not a a knock on Marner its just a fact, his point total exploded this season because he was given one of the best goal scoring centers in the game and got to play on the power play with another one as well. Marner had an amazing season and he and Tavares are gonna tear it up for years but hes 3rd on the team right now and probably stays 3rd until Tavares starts to decline. Being 3rd behind Matthews and Tavares isn't a bad place to be lol.

Marner was better than Tavares this season though. Matthews is harder to peg because he always starts the season ridiculously hot and the fades over the remainder of the season. Would be nice to see him get a couple healthy seasons in so we can see what he really is and if those hot starts and injuries are skewing him one way or the other.

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

Marner was better than Tavares this season though. Matthews is harder to peg because he always starts the season ridiculously hot and the fades over the remainder of the season. Would be nice to see him get a couple healthy seasons in so we can see what he really is and if those hot starts and injuries are skewing him one way or the other.

We're going to have to agree to disagree because we obviously value different traits.

 

[McFlyingV]

We're going to have to agree to disagree because we obviously value different traits.

I mean at the end of the day the only thing that Tavares did was score goals, while Marner was the better playmaker. Both benefited from each other and that's why Marner hit a career high in points while Tavares hit a career high in goals. Tavares is not a better defensive player or controlled zone entry player than Marner, so aside from goal scoring I'm really not sure what argument there is for Tavares being better this season.

 

[BB88]

The year Kane scored 88 points and 28 in 22 playoffs he signed that contract on December 2nd, not post season, but in early season.

Yup Matthews shouldnt be worth more than McDavid but McDavid gave a pretty big discount and Matthews wanted every dollar.

Agree to disagree that they are comprables.

They aren't perfect comparables but you can bet Marner will be bringing him up.

 

[Riseonfire]

Another thing is Marner's contract can not end the same year as Matthews, that would be crazy. So a 5 year deal is out, either more or less years.

 

[ecemleafs]

Kane's contract was entirely UFA years. The first year of his contract was 14.7% of the cap. 14.7 of an 83 cap hit would be 12.2M next year. if kane is the comparable player, can marner really expect 10.5 over the length of an 8 years contract when 4 years are RFA seasons? to get those numbers hed have to get on average 8.8 over the first 4 RFA years. this math is a bit on the low side in projection because it doesnt project the cap in future years being much higher. really makes the matthews contract seem obscene when you cross reference it to other comparable players and see it only buys out 1 UFA season.

 

[nturn06]

Leafs will sign Marner might take some serious negotiations, but you can't have 4 forwards making close to 40 M on a team with a few holes in it and that's not very good.

But Dubas........

 

[Space umpire]

IMO, it's a negotiation Leafs give up a bit extra cap hit then they like and Marner gives up 1-2 extra years in term then he likes. Marner took a huge step this past year, should of signed him last summer. Guessing it will be 10.5 - 11.25 million per year but with a 6-7 year term. If the Leafs lost Marner it would be a huge blow to their offence. If Marner was traded and they kept Nylander I would be livid as a Leaf fan.

You write they should have signed him last year like it was a mistake on their part. Marner had to want to sign.

 

[Tripod]

You write they should have signed him last year like it was a mistake on their part. Marner had to want to sign.

Marner did want to sign....for 9 million. The Leafs said no.

So Marner bet on himself instead of taking less. He won the bet.

 

[Hunter368]

Marner did want to sign....for 9 million. The Leafs said no.

So Marner bet on himself instead of taking less. He won the bet.

Correct

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Marner did want to sign....for 9 million. The Leafs said no.

So Marner bet on himself instead of taking less. He won the bet.

What is worse is Dubas stacked the odds in Marner's favor but playing him next to JT in his final ELC season

 

[Snowpants]

Every team has a "few holes"

Toronto has two top 10 centers, a top 10 winger, a 1D, a 2D and a great starting goalie

Anyone else trying to figure out who the other "top ten center" is lol?

 

[dlawong]

If any team should offers sheet Marners it should be Canucks. Imaging Petterson with him? Both are talented and about the same age. It will be like having the Sedin Twins again. Beosser is great but he does not skate nor back check like Marner. Canucks got tons of cap space and I think if the team do well in the playoff next two years, Petterson will take a discount to keep both him and Marner on the same line plus their dynamic young D.

It is just whether Canucks has the balls to go that far and smart enough to make it works.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

I mean at the end of the day the only thing that Tavares did was score goals, while Marner was the better playmaker. Both benefited from each other and that's why Marner hit a career high in points while Tavares hit a career high in goals. Tavares is not a better defensive player or controlled zone entry player than Marner, so aside from goal scoring I'm really not sure what argument there is for Tavares being better this season.

I mean at the end of the day the only thing that Tavares did was score goals, while Marner was the better playmaker. Both benefited from each other and that's why Marner hit a career high in points while Tavares hit a career high in goals. Tavares is not a better defensive player or controlled zone entry player than Marner, so aside from goal scoring I'm really not sure what argument there is for Tavares being better this season.

 

[featherhawk]

pretty sure Marner and Dubas will see an offer sheet, the Nylander deal was a shit show and completely mishandeled by Dubas, as was the option to sign marner at 9 per, Dubas is now looking at 10.5 +

 

[Advanced stats]

Anyone else trying to figure out who the other "top ten center" is lol?

Wow aren't you outa the loop,.... Tavares has been in Toronto almost a year now