News: Leafs cap - Dubas: We can, and we will keep all our 4 top F

[sharks9]

Getting names that rank highly on Bob's draft list is completely useless if you can't develop them properly. Habs are picking way higher so of course they are going to get more highly touted prospects. they're still a terrible organization from top to bottom

And what NHL players have the Leafs drafted other than slam dunk top 10 picks? Let’s see how good the Leafs drafting is when they don’t pick top 10 every single year.

Funny how for years the Leafs prospect pool was their source of pride and now that it’s mediocre, the prospect pools of other teams don’t matter

 

[ScaredStreit]

Whether it's Marner or Nylander that plays with Tavares their production is going to sky rocket. It happens with every player who plays with Tavares. If Marner plays with Tavares and only puts up the same numbers he did last year, that would be underwhelming.

 

[Pi]

And what NHL players have the Leafs drafted other than slam dunk top 10 picks? Let’s see how good the Leafs drafting is when they don’t pick top 10 every single year.

Funny how for years the Leafs prospect pool was their source of pride and now that it’s mediocre, the prospect pools of other teams don’t matter

Travis Dermott, Connor Brown, Andreas Johnsson. You can add Hyman to that as well as he’s a late round pick of the Panthers but the Leafs got him for nothing and developed him.

Could very well add: Liljegren and Grundstrom by the end of next season as well.

There you go.

 

[sharks9]

Travis Dermott, Connor Brown, Andreas Johnsson. You can add Hyman to that as well as he’s a late round pick of the Panthers but the Leafs got him for nothing and developed him.

Could very well add: Liljegren and Grundstrom by the end of next season as well.

There you go.

So 3 with Brown, Dermott, and Jonsson. That’s not exactly a ton, it might be more later but it also might not if those guys bust.

And now the Leafs won’t be having 8-12 draft picks in a year so it makes it harder to pick diamonds in the rough. The next few years and drafts will show how good the Leafs development system really is

 

[Albz]

So 3 with Brown, Dermott, and Jonsson. That’s not exactly a ton, it might be more later but it also might not if those guys bust.

And now the Leafs won’t be having 8-12 draft picks in a year so it makes it harder to pick diamonds in the rough. The next few years and drafts will show how good the Leafs development system really is

Lmao so he gives you a nice solid list than your argument goes "so thats it" lmaooo. Man, you truly do sound salty.. relax! Get some gatorade to cool yourself.

 

[Zybalto]

So 3 with Brown, Dermott, and Jonsson. That’s not exactly a ton, it might be more later but it also might not if those guys bust.

And now the Leafs won’t be having 8-12 draft picks in a year so it makes it harder to pick diamonds in the rough. The next few years and drafts will show how good the Leafs development system really is

As of right now the Leafs have 8 picks in 2019 and 9 in 2020. That could go up or down I guess but they are in pretty good shape at all levels moving forward.

 

[sharks9]

As of right now the Leafs have 8 picks in 2019 and 9 in 2020. That could go up or down I guess but they are in pretty good shape at all levels moving forward.

Yea I’d imagine they trade 1 or 2 at the deadline for help like this year, even if it’s just later round picks like 4th or 5th round.

 

[LeafFever]

And what NHL players have the Leafs drafted other than slam dunk top 10 picks? Let’s see how good the Leafs drafting is when they don’t pick top 10 every single year.

Funny how for years the Leafs prospect pool was their source of pride and now that it’s mediocre, the prospect pools of other teams don’t matter

You think all of the Leafs picks were a slam dunk? Matthews was. No one else was. Notice how there are players picked before guys like Kadri, Nylander, Rielly and Marner have been busts?
Leafs took a ton of heat for the Marner pick. That was a gutsy pick.
And Travis Dermott look sterrific. He was picked in the 2nd round. Johnsson was picked in the 7th round (Yes 7th) and just led the Marlies to the calder cup and looked good in his brief stint with the Leafs last season. Brown was a 6th round pick.
Thje Leafs prospect pool is fine. I have no idea why you are trying to tout the young talent of the Habs. That organization is a disaster. Leafs have 3 young offensive stars all 21 and under. That tends to make you worry less about the prospects.

A HUGE key to the Leafs being good is hitting on all their top 10 picks. Almost every other team has not been as good.

 

[4thline]

Funny how for years the Leafs prospect pool was their source of pride and now that it’s mediocre, the prospect pools of other teams don’t matter

If by "for years" you mean the 12-16 month period starting at the 2015 draft when our pools top 5 had two of the top 3-5 prospects in the league, 2 AHL rookie all-stars, and another teams recent 1st rounder that almost cracked their roster at 18, than yeah sure.

Those kinds of prospect pools do matter, but the Habs don't have one.

 

[Zybalto]

Yea I’d imagine they trade 1 or 2 at the deadline for help like this year, even if it’s just later round picks like 4th or 5th round.

Yea, looks like they are waiting till the deadline to try and grab some D help and we might see a few picks gone there. Injuries could also play a factor. They might be able to get a couple back with a logjam at certain positions below the NHL level but more valuable picks will probably be gone. Teams that are going for it usually dont retain all their picks, thats for sure.

 

[LeafFever]

Dubas is such a dumb ****

Can you name another person in the history of the NHL who within a month of being hired as GM for the first time had his team he was GM for the past 3 years in the AHL win the Calder cup and signed the biggest free agent in the NHl in atleast 12 years?
Dubas is off to the best start ever. And that's not "Overrating" him or hyping him up too much. No one has done this.

 

[Erndog]

Yea I’d imagine they trade 1 or 2 at the deadline for help like this year, even if it’s just later round picks like 4th or 5th round.

Years? It was like a year and a half tops.... Nylander and Marner were capped off by Matthews who debuted a few months later. Wasn't like we were sitting on the trio for 36 months or something.

 

[ITM]

And what NHL players have the Leafs drafted other than slam dunk top 10 picks? Let’s see how good the Leafs drafting is when they don’t pick top 10 every single year.

Funny how for years the Leafs prospect pool was their source of pride and now that it’s mediocre, the prospect pools of other teams don’t matter

What years were those? For years, the pride of the club was being able to note picks that actually made the club with a few surprises along the way. Because the reality is/was, we experienced draft after draft of disappointment, extending back to the draft after Vincent Damphousse...That's not hyperbole. Look for yourself. Our drafting record over the last 20 years, with top 10 picks, heck...with top 20 picks has been dreadful. And moreover, our fanbase has been equally critical of our management's ineptitude to maximize those picks as we've been to praise the occasional hit.

Where you get the sense that we've moved as a fanbase from excited to lukewarm about our prospect pool is beyond me. Many of us are just as excited at the depth we've amassed primarily because we just won the Calder Cup. We're no longer overcompensating for a lack of reasonable optimism in top picks to exaggerate our occasional latter draft success stories i.e. Carl Gunnarsson. We're likely, if anything, becoming used to the notion that the pieces we're yielding and acquiring might be developed into important secondary pieces because we now know (not think) that our club can develop them into cohesive pieces.

And for the record, those drafts between and after Kadri and Reilly were anything but hope-inducing. And drafting William Nylander wasn't the obvious slam dunk it was post-success as if any missed prospect is...See Viktor Arvidsson.

With our big four, plus the supporting corps of Kadri, Reilly, Andersson, Dermott, Johnsson, Brown, Hyman and a Calder Cup winning system, I don't know if we necessarily have to pick slam dunks so long as we put the right pieces underneath the prime movers. But to your point, how many top ten picks did we have in winning the Calder Cup? And what's the greater source of pride? How many top ten picks we can accumulate or how many AHL championships we can win with non-top ten picks winning them as they prepare to help the big club go after an NHL championship?

 

[sharks9]

If by "for years" you mean the 12-16 month period starting at the 2015 draft when our pools top 5 had two of the top 3-5 prospects in the league, 2 AHL rookie all-stars, and another teams recent 1st rounder that almost cracked their roster at 18, than yeah sure.

Those kinds of prospect pools do matter, but the Habs don't have one.

Leafs fans have been hyping their prospect pool for years before their Big 3 came along, but mostly it came to nothing until they picked those guys.

 

[LeafFever]

Leafs fans have been hyping their prospect pool for years before their Big 3 came along, but mostly it came to nothing until they picked those guys.

No they have not. The Leafs were regarded as bottom 5 yearly in prospects. You are recalling a couple of people on here, but that was not the majority at all. And ALL of the media thought their prospect pool was pathetic and ranked it as such.

 

[Sam Spade]

The Marlies just won the Calder and have lots of prospects.
I'd worry if they had the worst AHL affiliate.

That was an older roster that won the Calder. Dermott, Liljegren and Johnsson for sure, maybe Grundstrom or Timashov, on that roster play for the Leafs.

If Dubas keeps everyone as he said he will, there simply isn't room.

 

[LeafFever]

That was an older roster that won the Calder. Dermott, Liljegren and Johnsson for sure, maybe Grundstrom, on that roster play for the Leafs.

If Dubas keeps everyone as he said he will, there simply isn't room.

They were stacked. and many were very young. Leafs are in great shape. Tavares stated the Marlies winning was a great sign of the Leafs future.

 

[Sam Spade]

They were stacked. and many were very young. Leafs are in great shape. Tavares stated the Marlies winning was a great sign of the Leafs future.

I agree, I watched the final, but there are only 23 roster spots.

Also, Dermott is gonna be very good, this was his last year with the Marlies.

 

[Notsince67]

Ah yes, of course.

Laval really does suck

 

[hoglund]

And what NHL players have the Leafs drafted other than slam dunk top 10 picks? Let’s see how good the Leafs drafting is when they don’t pick top 10 every single year.

Funny how for years the Leafs prospect pool was their source of pride and now that it’s mediocre, the prospect pools of other teams don’t matter

Wrong team, you're thinking of the Oilers. For the last 30 years the Leafs have usually been the best team to miss the playoffs and therefore get a bad pick. In my lifetime (I'm 51) the Leafs have had 1st pick twice, 1986 and 2016. They have not had a ton of top 10 picks as you seem to think.

 

[Notsince67]

And what NHL players have the Leafs drafted other than slam dunk top 10 picks? Let’s see how good the Leafs drafting is when they don’t pick top 10 every single year.

Funny how for years the Leafs prospect pool was their source of pride and now that it’s mediocre, the prospect pools of other teams don’t matter

So you admit that the leafs have a better prospect pool. That is a step in the right direction

 

[LeafFever]

A top 10 pick is not a guarantee. you have to pick the right guy. The Leafs have done that over and over. Other organizations have not. Arizona went for the outdated big centre and got burned. Toronto took heat for picking the "Small" forward and got a young star.

 

[Sypher04]

lol @ the Marlies allegedly being an old team. Do people even look before posting their nonsense?

Not only were the marlies overall quite young, several of their best players were the youngest ones.

Forwards 23 and under:
Johnsson - 23
Grundstrom - 20
Moore - 23
Timashov - 21
Engvall - 22
Gauthier - 23
Marchment - 23
Brooks - 22

Defense 24 and under:
Dermott - 21
Liljegren - 19
Nielsen - 21
Rosen - 24
Borgman - 23

Even Sparks (25), Pickard (26) and Holl (26) are not exactly old by AHL standards.

 

[Brobust]

Yea I’d imagine they trade 1 or 2 at the deadline for help like this year, even if it’s just later round picks like 4th or 5th round.

Only dinosaurs like Lou Lamoriello trade picks at the deadline for rentals. Don't see Dubas pulling such short sighted moves.

 

[Sypher04]

Only dinosaurs like Lou Lamoriello trade picks at the deadline for rentals. Don't see Dubas pulling such short sighted moves.

I don't think that's entirely fair. While the Plekanec deal was ill-advised and didn't turn out well. No one here can definitively say that we make the playoffs in 2016/17 without the Boyle acquisition. We lacked stability at our 4th line center position, and our margin to get in was very small.