News: Leafs cap - Dubas: We can, and we will keep all our 4 top F

[Critical13]

So 3 with Brown, Dermott, and Jonsson. That’s not exactly a ton, it might be more later but it also might not if those guys bust.

And now the Leafs won’t be having 8-12 draft picks in a year so it makes it harder to pick diamonds in the rough. The next few years and drafts will show how good the Leafs development system really is

The fact that our team finished top 10 on the backs of Marner, Nylander, Matthews, Rielly, Gardiner and Dermott should be enough to show you how good our development is.

No pick is a slam dunk, outside of Matthews. Imagine if we drafted like NYI? Or developed like EDM?

 

[Brobust]

I don't think that's entirely fair. While the Plekanec deal was ill-advised and didn't turn out well. No one here can definitively say that we make the playoffs in 2016/17 without the Boyle acquisition. We lacked stability at our 4th line center position, and our margin to get in was very small.

He decided to go into the 16-17 season with Ben Smith as the 4C. He forced himself into the Boyle trade.

 

[mammothCacti]

That was an older roster that won the Calder. Dermott, Liljegren and Johnsson for sure, maybe Grundstrom or Timashov, on that roster play for the Leafs.

If Dubas keeps everyone as he said he will, there simply isn't room.

Older roster is simply false.

The average AHL age is 24, we are under that and our starting line at one point was:

Johansson (22)- Altonen(24)- Kapanen (20)

Dermott (20)- Liljegren (18)

Also for the final Calder cup game, I'll list the players that were over 25 years old:

Ben Smith, Chris Mueller, Colin Greening, Vinecent Loverde.... That's it. 4 guys.

 

[Sam Spade]

Older roster is simply false.

The average AHL age is 24, we are under that and our starting line at one point was:

Johansson (22)- Altonen(24)- Kapanen (20)

Dermott (20)- Liljegren (18)

Also for the final Calder cup game, I'll list the players that were over 25 years old:

Ben Smith, Chris Mueller, Colin Greening, Vinecent Loverde.... That's it. 4 guys.

Kapenen is 22 next week and didn't play a game in the playoffs for the Marlies. I stated Dermott, Liljegren and Johnsson will be on the Leafs next season.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

Define really good?

Wouldn't it be more fun wait to see it for yourself next season when the Bruins face the Leafs?

Should be a good matchup.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Kapenen is 22 next week and didn't play a game in the playoffs for the Marlies. I stated Dermott, Liljegren and Johnsson will be on the Leafs next season.

I mean either way you are flat out wrong calling that AHL team an old team.

 

[hotpaws]

Older roster is simply false.

The average AHL age is 24, we are under that and our starting line at one point was:

Johansson (22)- Altonen(24)- Kapanen (20)

Dermott (20)- Liljegren (18)

Also for the final Calder cup game, I'll list the players that were over 25 years old:

Ben Smith, Chris Mueller, Colin Greening, Vinecent Loverde.... That's it. 4 guys.

Holl - Maricin were 25 , Sparks was a few weeks away from 25 and all played large roles

we had some kids but we also had a large number of high priced vets specifically brought in to help the team win

 

[Mickey Marner]

Holl - Maricin were 25 , Sparks was a few weeks away from 25 and all played large roles

we had some kids but we also had a large number of high priced vets specifically brought in to help the team win

The Marlies had the most players on ELCs in the AHL last season, as per Kyle Dubas.

 

[Eat The Rich]

Holl - Maricin were 25 , Sparks was a few weeks away from 25 and all played large roles

we had some kids but we also had a large number of high priced vets specifically brought in to help the team win

Either way, 25 is not old.

 

[hotpaws]

The Marlies had the most players on ELCs in the AHL last season, as per Kyle Dubas.

and how many dressed at the same time ?

did Dubas mention how much more the team spent compared to the rest of the teams and did Dubas also happen to mention most organization goal are too develop players and not too use a large number of vets/non prospects in key roles?

 

[hotpaws]

Either way, 25 is not old.

it is if you someone is trying to make the case that they're still legit NHL prospects

 

[Mickey Marner]

and how many dressed at the same time ?

did Dubas mention how much more the team spent compared to the rest of the teams and did Dubas also happen to mention most organization goal are too develop players and not too use a large number of vets/non prospects in key roles ?

The AHL has a quota on roster spots that you must give to vets. I don't think you've actually looked through other team's rosters if you think the Marlies used a disproportionate number of vets in key roles. Why shouldn't the Marlies spend more money if they can? I'd rather ice a rich winner, than a poor loser. A winning culture is a far superior environment to develop prospects in.

 

[TheDoldrums]

it is if you someone is trying to make the case that they're still legit NHL prospects

Please make the case that Garret Sparks isn't a legit prospect.

 

[hotpaws]

The AHL has a quota on roster spots that you must give to vets. I don't think you've actually looked through other team's rosters if you think the Marlies used a disproportionate number of vets in key roles. Why shouldn't the Marlies spend more money if they can? I'd rather ice a rich winner, than a poor loser. A winning culture is a far superior environment to develop prospects in.

i may be wrong but i believe the quota is how many you're allowed to dress not how many you must dress .

also the point is you can't argue the team won because of our prospects when it's no where near the truth

 

[Eat The Rich]

The AHL has a quota on roster spots that you must give to vets. I don't think you've actually looked through other team's rosters if you think the Marlies used a disproportionate number of vets in key roles. Why shouldn't the Marlies spend more money if they can? I'd rather ice a rich winner, than a poor loser. A winning culture is a far superior environment to develop prospects in.

Yeah but would you expect anyone you argue with here to actually know the rules?

 

[hotpaws]

Please make the case that Garret Sparks isn't a legit prospect.

wow out of all those older players all you could do is pick out the goalie , lol

anyway , goalies get a little more leeway since they usually take longer to develop

 

[TheDoldrums]

Holl - Maricin were 25 , Sparks was a few weeks away from 25 and all played large roles

we had some kids but we also had a large number of high priced vets specifically brought in to help the team win

LoVerde
Mueller

That's your "large number" of vets specifically brought in to help the team win.

You also might want to consider that the organization believes having a great team is great for the development of their prospects.

 

[TheDoldrums]

wow out of all those older players all you could do is pick out the goalie , lol

anyway , goalies get a little more leeway since they usually take longer to develop

You're the one who mentioned him in a post about non-prospects, lol.

 

[hotpaws]

LoVerde
Mueller

That's your "large number" of vets specifically brought in to help the team win.

You also might want to consider that the organization believes having a great team is great for the development of their prospects.

Smith
Greening

and go take a quick look at how many high priced vets Dubas re signed as well brought in for this season just to win

 

[TheDoldrums]

Smith
Greening

and go take a quick look at how many high priced vets Dubas re signed as well brought in for this season just to win

Smith and Greening were brought in for different reasons, not to help the Marlies win. Greening to get rid of Phaneuf, Smith was supposed to be a 4C option for the Leafs. They stuck around because they liked the organization. Every franchise has guys like this in the AHL. Their Calder Cup opponents top 4 scorers were all older than 25. This is not unique to the Marlies, they can just get better vets because they pay more.

 

[hotpaws]

You're the one who mentioned him in a post about non-prospects, lol.

no , i mentioned him when i listed players 25 and older

and unless he surprises few if anyone believe he'll be anything more than a backup at best at the next level

 

[hotpaws]

Smith and Greening were brought in for different reasons, not to help the Marlies win. Greening to get rid of Phaneuf, Smith was supposed to be a 4C option for the Leafs. They stuck around because they liked the organization. Every franchise has guys like this in the AHL. Their Calder Cup opponents top 4 scorers were all older than 25. This is not unique to the Marlies, they can just get better vets because they pay more.

Greening was re signed by us after his contract had expired specifically to play on the Marlies and Smith was also kept around specifically for the Marlies .

and the point wasn't that other teams don't have vets but that people who keep saying we were a very young team carried by the kids are full of shit

 

[Blowfish]

Who were the under age 23 prospects for the marlies this year?

 

[TheDoldrums]

Who were the under age 23 prospects for the marlies this year?

Toronto Marlies 2017-18 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

Guys that played at least 20 games.

Johnsson
Timashov
Moore
Bracco
Marchment
Nielsen
Kapanen
Brooks
Gauthier
Dermott
Liljegren
Borgman
Engvall
Grundstrom

 

[Albz]

Yea I’d imagine they trade 1 or 2 at the deadline for help like this year, even if it’s just later round picks like 4th or 5th round.

Lmaoo hmm they could also add more picks also lol..man, all this hate towards the leafs is so lame