JadedLeaf
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The Marlies had the most entry level contracts of any team in the AHL last season. Please, if you guys don't know, stop making shit up.
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Canada4Gold
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It's possible that it does, which would up his comparables to the Gaudreau level. It's also possible that he signs this offseason(though I don't believe that's likely). There's also Nylander who you also included as someone who was going to sign for 7-8 after scoring 61 points and he's due a contract now.
My point was your best example was pretty terrible. If you're going to claim guys get 7-8 million after scoring between 61 and 69 points you best not bring up your first example as a guy who got 6.75 after getting 78 points.
Again, drafting top 10 picks isn’t massively impressive feat. And guys like Matthews and Mariner spent 0 time in the Leafs developments system, they went straight from juniors to the NHL.
You still have a much easier time getting elite players in the top 10. Let’s see the Leafs draft and develop an elite player outside the top 10 now
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"The Leafs" isn't a group that you can really judge over time. I never liked Hunter and Lou Lams later picks, and to judge Dubas by their choices would be silly. I don't really see the argument.
Mitch did spend 1 more year in junior. Matthews was already a pro.
And yes, drafting top 10 can be hard. if it's easy, why is everyone other than the Leafs messing up so bad?
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He means they never played within the Leafs organization before making the NHL, so either the AHL or ECHL.
I agree with your point about the top 10. There are tons of busts every single year. Auston was a no brainer pick, but Marner, Nylander, Rielly etc. weren't.
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Like with many other teams it was a balanced team between vets and kids - but impossible to deny that prospects didn’t play a key role in the team.
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If you think the Leafs development program only involves their pro league affiliates then you are dreadfully out of touch with everything Kyle Dubas has been doing the past four years.
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I mean, “carried” might be too strong a word, but I don’t think saying they were the main reason we won is inaccurate.
Our top two leading scores in the playoffs were 22. But where I think our youth really shined was on the back-end. The majority of our defensemen that saw ice time in the playoffs were 25 or younger.
| Marincin (25) | Holl (25) |
| Rosen (23) | LoVerde (28) |
| Dermott (20) | Liljegren (18) |
| Nielsen (20) | *Lindgren (20) |
| *Borgman (22) | *King (21) |
The only real vet there is LoVerde. I guess you could argue that Marincin is a vet given that he looks like a career AHLer at this point, but everyone else is still a prospect in the eyes of the organization.
Then up front, 9 of our 12 forwards who played in the playoffs were 24 or younger.
| Andreas Johnsson (22) | Miro Aaltonen (24) | Carl Grundstrom (19) |
| Dymtro Timashov (20) | Chris Mueller (31) | Ben Smith (29) |
| Pierre Engvall (21) | Frederik Gauthier (22) | Colin Greening (31) |
| Mason Marchment (22) | Adam Brooks (21) | Trevor Moore (22) |
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DanM
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We have many more, and I believe many will play in the show.
Obviously they wont all, and most will be good players, not superstars, but I have faith in our system, I mean why wouldn't I, it's as good as any in the league finally.
But anything can happen
How can you call someone a development success when they haven’t played in the NHL and could still be a bust? Do you not understand the purpose of a development system?
My point is that you can’t really say it’s as good as any in the league until it actually consistently produces NHLers
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I think that is a fair point.
I mean I believe it's on the way, and some are hitting, but the reality is we were terrible just 4 years ago lol so I see your point.
Thanks, I’m not saying the Leafs’ system is garbage or anything, just some people are putting the cart before the horse because of the success of your top picks
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If they were playing in the NHL, they wouldn't be prospects anymore, and everyone would say we have a bad prospect pool.
The majority of our NHL team has come up through the Marlies and our development system, and the system has only improved since then. They have both a history and a present of producing quality NHL talent.
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Keeping/signing all four isn’t any issue, not for the Leafs or any team.......where it eventually hurts is the lower guys.....depth guys, older guys who are still effective but not part of your long term plan, movement clauses hurt you with older guys, etc. Those are the areas where cap catches up to you. Signing your top 4-5 guys is a piece of cake.
It's the other way around.
The league has a maximum number of vets that can dress up for a game.
From ahl.com
"Of the 18 skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a game, at least 13 must be qualified as “development players.” Of those 13, 12 must have played in 260 or fewer professional games (including AHL, NHL and European elite leagues), and one must have played in 320 or fewer professional games. All calculations for development status are based on regular-season totals as of the start of the season."
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