leafsfan5
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There is no shot Toronto does this, but how much more do Vancouver fans think they're going to get? The deal nets you a 1st and a 23 year old top 4 RHD lol
Proposal: Leafs - Canucks , leafs - Bluejackets
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I wouldn't trade Liljegren for Horvat one for one even if Horvat was resigned. I mean we're talking about Bo Horvat, not a Crosby or even a Pettersson here. How lucky is it for Horvat that for the first time in his entire career he's averaging a PPG right on the last year of his current contract? He's like the Kadri of this year where Nazem was also lucky to put up the most points he's ever put up in his career in the last year of his contract.
Nazem turned that one good season into a good payday and who knows if he'll have many PPG seasons with the Flames, but at least he provides other things for them to compensate. I think Horvat will likely be the same. Get a good payday off this one good offensive season and who knows if he'll be able to replicate it ever again. If he gets something similar to Kadri it might be alright, but if someone is dumb enough to pay him much more then goodluck to that sucker team if they decide to pay him 7+ million on a long term contract.
Liljegren at the end of last season started playing really well and this season he's taken his play to another level and has become the Leafs more consistent and reliable Dman even with increased minutes because of several Leafs Dman going down with injuries. His defensive play is what I WISHED Rielly would've developed that would make him a true number one Dman instead of a good offensively, but average to below average defensive player.
So what does this all mean? It means that while I like Horvat as a player, what he would provide to the Leafs is much less than what Liljegren provides to the Leafs. For the first time in many years the Leafs have drafted and developed a Dman that's good defensively that you can trust in all situations and is young and on a cheap contract and you'd want to give all that up for a guy who while is good he isn't a great player and has a pretty low probability of averaging a PPG through his next much more expensive contract? Yeah I'll pass.
Leafs defense has been questionable for many years so why would they want to trade a very good young player that can potentially help fix that issue long term for a player that would only be a luxury to have, wouldn't come close to pushing the Leafs over the top and will demand a major raise in the offseason? Leafs would have to be crazy to trade Liljegren at a time when they need him the most short of some major overpay by another team.
Nazem turned that one good season into a good payday and who knows if he'll have many PPG seasons with the Flames, but at least he provides other things for them to compensate. I think Horvat will likely be the same. Get a good payday off this one good offensive season and who knows if he'll be able to replicate it ever again. If he gets something similar to Kadri it might be alright, but if someone is dumb enough to pay him much more then goodluck to that sucker team if they decide to pay him 7+ million on a long term contract.
Liljegren at the end of last season started playing really well and this season he's taken his play to another level and has become the Leafs more consistent and reliable Dman even with increased minutes because of several Leafs Dman going down with injuries. His defensive play is what I WISHED Rielly would've developed that would make him a true number one Dman instead of a good offensively, but average to below average defensive player.
So what does this all mean? It means that while I like Horvat as a player, what he would provide to the Leafs is much less than what Liljegren provides to the Leafs. For the first time in many years the Leafs have drafted and developed a Dman that's good defensively that you can trust in all situations and is young and on a cheap contract and you'd want to give all that up for a guy who while is good he isn't a great player and has a pretty low probability of averaging a PPG through his next much more expensive contract? Yeah I'll pass.
Leafs defense has been questionable for many years so why would they want to trade a very good young player that can potentially help fix that issue long term for a player that would only be a luxury to have, wouldn't come close to pushing the Leafs over the top and will demand a major raise in the offseason? Leafs would have to be crazy to trade Liljegren at a time when they need him the most short of some major overpay by another team.
The Blunder Years
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The trade boards have been peppered with Leafs fans trying to trade Kerfoot for the last 2+ years. It’s the new Ryder, Halak, and a second
Vancouver deal is straight up horrible for the leafs. Anyone saying otherwise is completely delusional.
Columbus deal would probably turn out bad for the Leafs but at least it’s somewhat fair. I don’t agree with everyone saying Columbus wouldn’t accept this. Maybe if they were contending, but they’re trash and won’t be contending for the next few years anyway by which time Jenner will suck.
Columbus deal would probably turn out bad for the Leafs but at least it’s somewhat fair. I don’t agree with everyone saying Columbus wouldn’t accept this. Maybe if they were contending, but they’re trash and won’t be contending for the next few years anyway by which time Jenner will suck.
Vancouver fans thought Pettersson was going to be better than Matthews lol. Don’t think they have an eye for evaluating talent.
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Next year. Likely headed to the oilers for an overpayment.
Viqsi
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You don't follow the Jackets; it's not your place to make that call. As previously stated, he just extended here on a deal that would be half of what he'd get in free agency, he's the only reliable two-way center we have, and he's the team Captain. He has clearly and repeatedly proven he is in it for the long haul, and we need him regardless of what competitive state we're in - either because of his merits as a player if we're competitive, or to shield developing kids if we're not. No matter how you twist it or spin it, no matter what the circumstances you project, Boone Jenner is vital to the Columbus Blue Jackets, and he likes that and wants to stay.
Sometimes some guys simply just aren't available. Deal with it.
it’s from a toronto fan. you can NOT be surprised.
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Columbus wouldn't accept it because they simply don't have any centers or veterans to step into the hole created by moving Jenner. They would be forced to rush the young players and likely destroy their development.
Horrendous for Toronto, f*** no.
I don't think OP is even a real Leafs fan, troll name and can't even spell Liljegren right
You're not getting anywhere near that for Horvat, Lily is a top 4 D that has legitimate #1D upside, cost controlled RHD. Not trading him for 1 year of Horvat, with the 1st on top ? f*** no.
I don't think OP is even a real Leafs fan, troll name and can't even spell Liljegren right
Sundinisagod
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What a dogshit offer for Horvat
Liljegren sucks.
Would he not be the 2nd best dman on Vancouver?
That might not be saying much but still
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LOOOOOOOL Liljegren #1D upside??? Wow funniest thing I’ve heard today.
Liljegren is barely an upgrade over Ethan Bear.
LOL tell me you don't watch the Leafs without telling me you don't watch the leafs
thusk
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Bro I love Timothy but Liljegren has ZERO #1 upside GET OUTTA HERE
Im agree, lilly is not are #1 but can be a solid #2-3, a kind of new Anton Stralman
Dude please, that’s a hilarious take.LOL tell me you don't watch the Leafs without telling me you don't watch the leafs
This is dramatic. It’s true that rebuilding teams should value experience to insulate their young guys during a rebuild, but you’re kidding yourself if you think Columbus wouldn’t trade Jenner for the right deal.
Maybe this isn’t the right deal, but get off your high horse if you think that only Columbus fans are qualified to make trade proposals for Columbus. I’d argue that fans making proposals for their own teams often make the worst ones.
leafsfan5
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I don’t know if he’ll be a number one, but he certainly has top pair potential
Regardless, Vancouver fans who think Liljergen isn’t enough are crazy. If you got Lilly for Horvat you take that and run
Regardless, Vancouver fans who think Liljergen isn’t enough are crazy. If you got Lilly for Horvat you take that and run
Dude please start watching players before you comment on them, I don't think you realize how silly your comments sound
Horvat should be a keeper here and still not a good look when a team has him on the block. He is not a happy camper here but he has value as a center. The question is who will overpay for a center that Nashville did for three of them. Maybe the right situation helps but does he move the needle for a franchise that is looking to win and compete for a cup? What is a complimentary piece worth?
It depends on what you define as a number one Dman. If you consider it to be someone who can play defense well, put up good offensive numbers and have an impact when he's on the ice, then at this point Liljegren definitely isn't there as yet. The Leafs haven't asked Liljegren to be more offensive and they haven't given him much powerplay time that has gone almost all to Sandin on the first unit while Rielly has been out.
Liljegren has a decent shot and is a good passer and given more PP time he could put up more points. Will he ever put up as many points as Makar or Karlsson? Probably not, but it doesn't mean he can't improve offensively over time especially if he's given more PP time. On the defensive side Liljegren is showing that he can raise his game and be even better than he was last season where he's been playing more minutes than ever before in his career due to Dmen injuries that the Leafs are going through now and guess what? He's been handling it well and as I said is probably the Leafs' most reliable and consistent Dman right now.
If you don't think Liljegren can be a number one Dman, he can definitely at least be a top pairing Dman that you can play 20+ minutes a night in any situation and feel comfortable doing so because if you need a defensively responsible guy that can get the puck out of your own zone then he's your guy. If Liljegren were on the Nucks he could probably help Hughes out alot and be the Vancouver version of Marc Methot/Erik Karlsson when they were together on the Sens where Karlsson could concentrate on offense more while having a partner to cover for him defensively.
That's what he's been doing while playing with Sandin much of the time and the Leafs should give him a shot with Rielly when he returns and see how that goes since Rielly needs some help defensively as well.
