Proposal: Leafs - Canucks 3 for 3 block buster

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Id love to have Tanev-Reilly pairing but not at the price of Nylander-Gardiner-C.Brovvn.

Hutton is an unproven 5D. Virtanen is equivalent to a 2nd rd. pick.

Maybe JvR, Top 6 protected 2017 1st for Tanev

Nope. Not enough.

Hutton proved he could play in our top 4 last year and no Virt is not equal to a 2nd rounder. Give your had a shake

 

[Canada4Gold]

^Is your w key broken?

yes.

here's a w

scroll over it, and copy it. Every time you want to type w just "crtl + v"

You look kind of ridiculous typing 2 v's for every w, it's hard to take you seriously.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Canuck fan - so take that for what it's worth.

In a vacuum, trade looks pretty equal. From an organizational standpoint it makes no sense for the Canucks, and I'm not going to speak on TO's stand because I don't know the team as well.

It's become fairly obvious that the Canucks have a mandate from ownership to make the playoffs. I don't agree but all signs point to playoff aspirations. We have a "2 year window" to compete while the Sedins are under contract. So given this flawed philosophy you can't trade away your top pairing RHD and your 2nd pairing LHD and only upgrade your 2nd pairing LHD and decimating your right side depth. We just paid a pretty high price for Gudbranson and we all saw what Larsson got NJ. Nylander looks like the real deal, but he's still got to prove it over an entire NHL season so he does have some inherent risk.
I'd rather have Virtanen than Brown - higher ceiling and Virtanen is getting more abuse than he deserves. Was he the most talented pick - no, can he become a Scott Hartnell - yeah I think so. Gardener has the edge on Hutton, but Hutton looked good last year. At one point he was on the top pair and put in some solid games. Huttons younger, cost controlled, cheaper and has the potential to be as good as Gardiner. Tanev is just too important to move for the unproven (high potential) Nylander.

Add Tanev's contract into the mix and he's a pretty valuable piece.

Good post. I'm not an expert on Vancouver's needs but I don't think they are in a position to gut their defense...based on their drafting of Juolevi and trading for Gudbranson, the opposite is more likely.

 

[TeamBester]

There have been plenty of leafs prospects that have been overrated sure and yes it can be said that was because of the sheer amount of leafs fans, absolutely.

None have been as overhyped as Nylander, even right after he was drafted your fellow fans said he would be an absolute superstar, I have even heard people say that he will be the best player from that draft. People in this thread saying he is better than Tanev now. These are things that classify as overrated, not just the sheer amount it's the rhetoric that comes along with it.

I'm not the only one who thinks this there are plenty of us, sorry this reality seems to bug you so much. If this wasn't true then why do so many leafs fans avoid this board like the plague because of the bad rep leafs fans have on here (I know they are not all bad either) can you explain that?

Lol, every team has lots of fans that over rate their players and some just like to troll.

Remember when Cody was untouchable (10 times better than Kadri) and the next coming superstar or when Robby was going to fetch a premium package, good times.

 

[Sundinisagod]

There have been plenty of leafs prospects that have been overrated sure and yes it can be said that was because of the sheer amount of leafs fans, absolutely.

None have been as overhyped as Nylander, even right after he was drafted your fellow fans said he would be an absolute superstar, I have even heard people say that he will be the best player from that draft. People in this thread saying he is better than Tanev now. These are things that classify as overrated, not just the sheer amount it's the rhetoric that comes along with it.

I'm not the only one who thinks this there are plenty of us, sorry this reality seems to bug you so much. If this wasn't true then why do so many leafs fans avoid this board like the plague because of the bad rep leafs fans have on here (I know they are not all bad either) can you explain that?

I can only speak for myself (see what I did there?), but in the past I've avoided this particular board because of how irrational and biased some other fanbase's posters are towards the Leafs and their fanbase...these days, I really don't take any HF expert's opinion too seriously.

 

[VanJack]

Lol...who's going to play defense for the Canucks?....for a team which claims it wants to return to the playoffs next year, dealing two of your top-four d-men, both of whom are cost-controlled for the next 2-3 seasons, would make zero sense....could possibly see Tanev being dealt, but some team will have to overpay to get him and a starting d-man would have to be coming back...just can't see the Leafs-Canucks as legit trading partners.

 

[BlueBaron]

There have been plenty of leafs prospects that have been overrated sure and yes it can be said that was because of the sheer amount of leafs fans, absolutely.

None have been as overhyped as Nylander, even right after he was drafted your fellow fans said he would be an absolute superstar, I have even heard people say that he will be the best player from that draft. People in this thread saying he is better than Tanev now. These are things that classify as overrated, not just the sheer amount it's the rhetoric that comes along with it.

I'm not the only one who thinks this there are plenty of us, sorry this reality seems to bug you so much. If this wasn't true then why do so many leafs fans avoid this board like the plague because of the bad rep leafs fans have on here (I know they are not all bad either) can you explain that?

Funny thing about being overrated is you do not know if it is the case or not until the player reaches their prime. I am not sure what your definition of overrated is but most would say Nylander looks like a top 6 forward, perhaps a number 2 C . So the odd Leaf fan thinks he is the next great superstar , who cares?

I find it humorous how outraged people get by our most immature fans and paint us all with the same brush. The reasons many of us avoid the trade boards are as follows:

1. Imaginary trades are pointless.

2. The Leafs really have no trade bait left except Bozak

3. Western Canadian fans are often irrationally hostile making discussions with them tiresome. (You would think it would be Ottawa or Habs fans but it seems to be western based)

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Funny thing about being overrated is you do not know if it is the case or not until the player reaches their prime. I am not sure what your definition of overrated is but most would say Nylander looks like a top 6 forward, perhaps a number 2 C . So the odd Leaf fan thinks he is the next great superstar , who cares?

I find it humorous how outraged people get by our most immature fans and paint us all with the same brush. The reasons many of us avoid the trade boards are as follows:

1. Imaginary trades are pointless.

2. The Leafs really have no trade bait left except Bozak

3. Western Canadian fans are often irrationally hostile making discussions with them tiresome. (You would think it would be Ottawa or Habs fans but it seems to be western based)

Oh that's priceless, the odd leaf fan? Oh come on, if you did a value for Nylander thread there would be countless leafs fans coming in saying future elite #1 C without a doubt.

 

[Gavy]

Oh that's priceless, the odd leaf fan? Oh come on, if you did a value for Nylander thread there would be countless leafs fans coming in saying future elite #1 C without a doubt.

Ya, because prospects are always sure things. No one is saying that. His ceiling is an elite #1c and he's done nothing but show he's on his way to becoming at least an elite 1st liner. Not saying he is a sure thing

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Lol, every team has lots of fans that over rate their players and some just like to troll.

Remember when Cody was untouchable (10 times better than Kadri) and the next coming superstar or when Robby was going to fetch a premium package, good times.

Way to go you named two players and yes my fanbase is fairly bad, I'll admit that, can you? All I have seen is deflection after deflection from you bud.

I don't think anybody would disagree, that no teams fans over rate their players like leafs fans do that was my only point. It's funny how the only people raising an issue about that are leafs fans hmmmmm. I understand that most of you are rationale loyal hockey fans, I would never deny that.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Ya, because prospects are always sure things. No one is saying that. His ceiling is an elite #1c and he's done nothing but show he's on his way to becoming at least an elite 1st liner. Not saying he is a sure thing

Totally agree many of your fans don't though, when you say a player COULD be that good, that is logical, when you say that player WILL be that good it is over rating, no?

 

[The Thin White Duke]

Totally agree many of your fans don't though, when you say a player COULD be that good, that is logical, when you say that player WILL be that good it is over rating, no?

There's a middle ground between COULD and WILL, where the player has taken several realistic steps towards realizing that upside and has shown no signs of stagnating. A 17 year old with a high ceiling at the draft is hard to project, yes. But that same player after more than 2 straight years of addressing his weaknesses and developing better than expected is a lot closer to the WILL than the COULD, would you agree? The floor on Nylander is no longer a non-NHL player, it's an offensive 2nd line center as he showed last season. The jump from 2nd line center to 1st to high end first is a lot smaller than when he was a long-shot to be an NHL center at all.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

There's a middle ground between COULD and WILL, where the player has taken several realistic steps towards realizing that upside and has shown no signs of stagnating. A 17 year old with a high ceiling at the draft is hard to project, yes. But that same player after more than 2 straight years of addressing his weaknesses and developing better than expected is a lot closer to the WILL than the COULD, would you agree? The floor on Nylander is no longer a non-NHL player, it's an offensive 2nd line center as he showed last season. The jump from 2nd line center to 1st to high end first is a lot smaller than when he was a long-shot to be an NHL center at all.

He played 22 games no? How does that equate to his floor will be this? When he does it over an extended period of time, sure. He is still a prospect no?

 

[The Thin White Duke]

He played 22 games no? How does that equate to his floor will be this? When he does it over an extended period of time, sure. He is still a prospect no?

HF was telling me he wouldn't be able to be a center in the NHL at all. Did the other teams just go easy on him with faceoffs and give the puck away to him so his possession stats could look good for 22 games? What is going to change from those 22 games that will cause him to be worse than he looked last season? I could understand making this argument for a goalie, as teams tend to need time to adjust to an unknown goalie, but they were playing against Nylander the same way they'll be playing against him next season. He would need to get noticeably worse at something or suddenly be faced with absurdly strong competition to experience a sharp drop in production.

He has a clear trend of succeeding as an offensive center without fail for 2 straight years, why is that trend going to suddenly stop after 22 NHL games? Do you really think it is possible for him to top out as a non-NHL player barring severe injury based on what we know right now?

 

[BlueBaron]

Way to go you named two players and yes my fanbase is fairly bad, I'll admit that, can you? All I have seen is deflection after deflection from you bud.

I don't think anybody would disagree, that no teams fans over rate their players like leafs fans do that was my only point. It's funny how the only people raising an issue about that are leafs fans hmmmmm. I understand that most of you are rationale loyal hockey fans, I would never deny that.

As a percentage it's probably about the same everywhere, is this lost on you?

We get it, you resent we have more fans than you so in turn our crazy fans are better heard than yours.
If you a trying to imply that there is some magical thing that makes Leaf fans inferior to other fans and more prone to this behaviour, ask yourself how sane that sounds.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

As a percentage it's probably about the same everywhere, is this lost on you?

We get it, you resent we have more fans than you so in turn our crazy fans are better heard than yours.
If you a trying to imply that there is some magical thing that makes Leaf fans inferior to other fans and more prone to this behaviour, ask yourself how sane that sounds.

I made a point that has been lost on many in here, I give up. The sheer numbers are what elevates it sure, I have already said this. It doesn't make it any less true. I'm happy to cheer for my team, your happy to cheer for yours, I'm sorry my honesty was too hard for you to take, to the point where your making up things about me.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

HF was telling me he wouldn't be able to be a center in the NHL at all. Did the other teams just go easy on him with faceoffs and give the puck away to him so his possession stats could look good for 22 games? What is going to change from those 22 games that will cause him to be worse than he looked last season? I could understand making this argument for a goalie, as teams tend to need time to adjust to an unknown goalie, but they were playing against Nylander the same way they'll be playing against him next season. He would need to get noticeably worse at something or suddenly be faced with absurdly strong competition to experience a sharp drop in production.

He has a clear trend of succeeding as an offensive center without fail for 2 straight years, why is that trend going to suddenly stop after 22 NHL games? Do you really think it is possible for him to top out as a non-NHL player barring severe injury based on what we know right now?

Ever heard of the phrase small sample size? Does it not apply if the player has progressed well in inferior leagues? Is it completely impossible that Nylander could regress next year to the point where he isn't a sure fire 2nd liner? In all honesty I would bet that he is, but that's not an absolute.

 

[Sundinisagod]

He played 22 games no? How does that equate to his floor will be this? When he does it over an extended period of time, sure. He is still a prospect no?

Anybody who's watched him play those 22 games could see he's a sure fire NHL'r at this point. You don't have to be an NHL scout to see that.

 

[one77]

Lmao

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Anybody who's watched him play those 22 games could see he's a sure fire NHL'r at this point. You don't have to be an NHL scout to see that.

Awesome, I hope he is and I hope your team makes vast improvements this year.

 

[BlueBaron]

I made a point that has been lost on many in here, I give up. The sheer numbers are what elevates it sure, I have already said this. It doesn't make it any less true. I'm happy to cheer for my team, your happy to cheer for yours, I'm sorry my honesty was too hard for you to take, to the point where your making up things about me.

ROFL

Yeah it was so hard to take, I am still crying...

Ok I "making things up about you" because you do not resent that we have more fans than you and in turn more fans with unrealistic views on our prospects. You love it right?

I know you were trying to sound clever but you fail to see how foolish your main point is. Our players are more overrated than everyone else because we have more fans. In other news water is wet.

I am sorry my honesty is so hard for you to take....

 

[The Thin White Duke]

Ever heard of the phrase small sample size? Does it not apply if the player has progressed well in inferior leagues? Is it completely impossible that Nylander could regress next year to the point where he isn't a sure fire 2nd liner? In all honesty I would bet that he is, but that's not an absolute.

Lmao, after this season it's going to be "wait for his sophomore slump!!", the season after will be "wait for him to face top competition every game!!!" and the season after that will be "forwards peak at age 23, so it's all downhill from here anyway".

No it's not impossible that he'll regress, just like it's not impossible that Crosby will regress to being a 4th line enforcer next year. There has been no evidence so far that regression is likely, it's a silly hypothetical to discuss. The individual skills and ability to use them in a professional league he has demonstrated up to this point in his career are that of a 2nd line offensive center. Barring an injury that makes him slower or stupider, there is no reason that this should change for the worse. There are no absolutes in sports, but we can make a pretty damn good guess here.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

ROFL

Yeah it was so hard to take, I am still crying...

Ok I "making things up about you" because you do not resent that we have more fans than you and in turn more fans with unrealistic views on our prospects. You love it right?

I know you were trying to sound clever but you fail to see how foolish your main point is. Our players are more overrated than everyone else because we have more fans. In other news water is wet.

I am sorry my honesty is so hard for you to take....

Cool story bro. No ill will. I hate my own teams fans more than any other by the way. I hope your team does well, as I hope mine does.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Lmao, after this season it's going to be "wait for his sophomore slump!!", the season after will be "wait for him to face top competition every game!!!" and the season after that will be "forwards peak at age 23, so it's all downhill from here anyway".

No it's not impossible that he'll regress, just like it's not impossible that Crosby will regress to being a 4th line enforcer next year. There has been no evidence so far that regression is likely, it's a silly hypothetical to discuss. The individual skills and ability to use them in a professional league he has demonstrated up to this point in his career are that of a 2nd line offensive center. Barring an injury that makes him slower or stupider, there is no reason that this should change for the worse. There are no absolutes in sports, but we can make a pretty damn good guess here.

Cool, I hope Nylander is exactly what you and every other leafs fans hopes.

 

[Trapper]

Cool story bro. No ill will. I hate my own teams fans more than any other by the way. I hope your team does well, as I hope mine does.

Hey thanks. Right back at you.
We can't have another year of zero Canadian teams in the playoffs. That's just wrong on so many levels.