Proposal: Leafs - Canucks 3 for 3 block buster

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Cool but why is he getting similar results if he's better? Something doesn't add up right? Especially when you consider that Tanev plays in front of a better goalie, with a better partner, and on a team with better possession forwards. Maybe teams are just taking it easy on the Leafs when Gardiner's on the ice? Maybe Polak > Edler?

So gardiner is better than Tanev now. Smh.

Tanev is the best PlAyer in this whole proposal.

 

[The Thin White Duke]

So gardiner is better than Tanev now. Smh.

Tanev is the best PlAyer in this whole proposal.

Never said he's better, Tanev is a bit better at limiting goals against and faces tougher competition. They're absolutely close to the same level overall though.

 

[Seatoo]

Never said he's better, Tanev is a bit better at limiting goals against and faces tougher competition. They're absolutely close to the same level overall though.

you can't possibly believe that

 

[The Thin White Duke]

you can't possibly believe that

Feel free to explain how they put up similar results defensively if Gardiner isn't even close to Tanev defensively.

Lets put it another way, the offensive gap between them is larger than the defensive one.

 

[BlueBaron]

Your 3rd point is slightly hypocritical seeing as how you stated
"and paint us all with the same brush"

I agree Vancouver has a lot of Canucks fans - not overall hockey fans. This can lead to some "interesting" points of view.
I also think some frustration is based on the fact that a lot of Eastern based fans make comments about the Canucks and realistically have probably seen 2 Canuck games and the TSN highlight package. We all get caught state watching and regurgitating other HF posters opinions, but there is a lot of inaccurate statements regarding western teams and their players by people who don't stay up till 1:00 am to watch a team they obviously don't like.

It would be hypocritical if I said "Western fans always" instead of "often" suggesting that not even the same fans are always difficult let alone all fans.

The West resent Toronto, this is true in politics and appears to be true here. The reverse is not true.

Sorry, no hypocrisy here, thanks for playing.

 

[Semantics]

So gardiner is better than Tanev now. Smh.

If you actually watch the games instead of looking at stats you'll see that Gardiner is just as good.

Tanev is the best PlAyer in this whole proposal.

Which player is currently best is irrelevant, because neither of these teams has a chance to win next year. Nylander has the most value in the proposal and it's not close. I wouldn't trade Nylander by himself for those three Canucks.

 

[eviohh26*]

If you actually watch the games instead of looking at stats you'll see that Gardiner is just as good.



Which player is currently best is irrelevant, because neither of these teams has a chance to win next year. Nylander has the most value in the proposal and it's not close. I wouldn't trade Nylander by himself for those three Canucks.

Leafs gonna Leaf.

 

[Black Noise]

If you actually watch the games instead of looking at stats you'll see that Gardiner is just as good.



Which player is currently best is irrelevant, because neither of these teams has a chance to win next year. Nylander has the most value in the proposal and it's not close. I wouldn't trade Nylander by himself for those three Canucks.

This is too much

 

[clunk]

Feel free to explain how they put up similar results defensively if Gardiner isn't even close to Tanev defensively.

Lets put it another way, the offensive gap between them is larger than the defensive one.

Gardiner: 52.3% offensive zone starts, Tanev: 42%.

Leafs won 242 offensive zone starts, over 60 more than the Canucks. (d-men have no control over faceoff wins. More shot generation = better corsi... not hard to understand)

Gardiner finishes 52.2% of the time in the offensive zone, Tanev finishes 49% of the time.

Canucks have lost more offensive zone draws than they have won when Tanev was on the ice. Leafs had a positive differential, making Tanev finishing his shifts in the offensive zone MORE than he starts them a lot more impressive than Gardiner.

Tanev averages 2.18 goals against/60 mins of ice time, lower than any Leafs d-man.

Gardiner faced easier competition than Morgan Rielly, Matt Hunwick, Martin Marincin and Dion Phaneuf. Only d-man who faced easier competition was Frank Corrado.

Edler and Tanev face the toughest competition on the Canucks. 5v5 Gardiner only managed four more points than offensively un-gifted Tanev. So no, they're really NOT that far apart offensively, but defensively... Damn. Check your facts, man.

 

[Semantics]

Gardiner: 52.3% offensive zone starts, Tanev: 42%.

Leafs won 242 offensive zone starts, over 60 more than the Canucks. (d-men have no control over faceoff wins. More shot generation = better corsi... not hard to understand)

Gardiner finishes 52.2% of the time in the offensive zone, Tanev finishes 49% of the time.

Canucks have lost more offensive zone draws than they have won when Tanev was on the ice. Leafs had a positive differential, making Tanev finishing his shifts in the offensive zone MORE than he starts them a lot more impressive than Gardiner.

Tanev averages 2.18 goals against/60 mins of ice time, lower than any Leafs d-man.

Gardiner faced easier competition than Morgan Rielly, Matt Hunwick, Martin Marincin and Dion Phaneuf. Only d-man who faced easier competition was Frank Corrado.

Edler and Tanev face the toughest competition on the Canucks. 5v5 Gardiner only managed four more points than offensively un-gifted Tanev. So no, they're really NOT that far apart offensively, but defensively... Damn. Check your facts, man.

All that and yet at World's he got less ice time and less responsibility than Rielly, who is not as good as Gardiner yet.

 

[TSN Jdog]

If you actually watch the games instead of looking at stats you'll see that Gardiner is just as good.



Which player is currently best is irrelevant, because neither of these teams has a chance to win next year. Nylander has the most value in the proposal and it's not close. I wouldn't trade Nylander by himself for those three Canucks.

Maybe in the future when he's challenging for the Art Ross but not right now. He's just an unproven prospect with top 5 leauge wide player potential

 

[eviohh26*]

All that and yet at World's he got less ice time and less responsibility than Rielly, who is not as good as Gardiner yet.

But yet after the tournament was said and done everyone had a stiffy for Tanev. Mcdavid was praising him saying player of the game. The coaching staff said he is going to be 1 of the best d men for the next 5 years. So... I guess they know nothing. Quit leafing bro.

 

[Canucks LB]

All that and yet at World's he got less ice time and less responsibility than Rielly, who is not as good as Gardiner yet.

Uhhhh mcdavid and coaches were raving about tanev lol

 

[Addison Rae]

Nope, nope, nope.

 

[leaflover]

Serious question.
If neither teams fans like the trade and neither teams fans will ever change their opinions, why keep going?

 

[Semantics]

Uhhhh mcdavid and coaches were raving about tanev lol

Yes, because he was a very good #2 defenseman on the team. You really think they thought Tanev > Rielly but then gave him 4 minutes less ice time in the gold medal match? I know you don't believe that.

 

[eviohh26*]

Yes, because he was a very good #2 defenseman on the team. You really think they thought Tanev > Rielly but then gave him 4 minutes less ice time in the gold medal match? I know you don't believe that.

Player of the game *****

 

[bobg1]

Dear lord no. This is atrocious for the Canucks. We give up 2 top 4 dmen and a local boy who was recently a 6 overall pick for a #4-5 dman, a very good prospect (or two) and a pick.

Awful. Simply Awful for Vancouver.

TML has the best players in this deal. Stay away from the Canucks

 

[HockeyNightInBelfast]

Jake Virtanen...

..can stay put on the West Coast &...


...Nylander = untouchable unless yer talking top pairing young D-man w/ > upside than Tanev/Hutton.

 

[Atomos2]

Player of the game *****

Rielly was a beast in that gold medal game. He played 26 minutes and that was without any powerplay time as well meaning he must have been getting double shift near the end of the game.

 

[Mitch nylander]

I Think it's near equal value.. As much as I would love to have tanev, I still wouldn't give my favourite leafs prospect for him.

Nylander > Virtanen
Gardiner < Tanev

Brown >= Hutton
Soshnikov =< Hutton
2nd round <Hutton

Leafs aren't trading nylander!
Vancouver Isn't Trading Tanev!

 

[Semantics]

Player of the game *****

Player of the game was McDavid, what does he have to do with this?

 

[TOGuy14]

I Think it's near equal value.. As much as I would love to have tanev, I still wouldn't give my favourite leafs prospect for him.

Nylander > Virtanen
Gardiner < Tanev

Brown >= Hutton
Soshnikov =< Hutton
2nd round <Hutton

Leafs aren't trading nylander!
Vancouver Isn't Trading Tanev!

I think the gap between Nylander and Virtanen is far bigger than Tanev and Gardiner

 

[Black Noise]

Rielly was a beast in that gold medal game. He played 26 minutes and that was without any powerplay time as well meaning he must have been getting double shift near the end of the game.

Tanev actually played more than anyone in the 3rd period of the gold medal game. Rielly played a ton in the 2nd period which is why he was pushing 26 minutes.

I guess they trusted Tanev more because he played more than anyone in the most important period.

 

[Zaddy91]

Never said he's better, Tanev is a bit better at limiting goals against and faces tougher competition. They're absolutely close to the same level overall though.

and virtanen is better than nylander