Post-Game Talk: Leafs Blow Another Lead, Lose to Avs

[Evilhomer]

Avs wanted to trade chances all game. This was actually the perfect game to play Robertson, who is pacing for 20 goals and 40 points in limited ice-time

I hope Robertson likes Calgary, because I'm pretty sure he is going to end up there at some point before early March.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

No disrespect intended but that’s a waste of time. They have nothing that fixes this team.
The fix is going to have to start with a new team president or maybe even higher then him.
We need management that expect winning to be the teams culture………and we have the invisible Shanny in his ivory tower

This is where I am. 100%. The architecture of this team is just not very good. They’re continually doubling down on a model that proves itself unsuccessful year after year.

 

[ULF_55]

They stopped playing properly but the officials spearheaded that comeback, as if deciding they had to do something to make it 3-1. That kind of game management is crooked.

This does not excuse whatever horseshit hockey the Leafs finished that game with. They sloppiness was unacceptable. Basically a fire drill without a coach.

I expected this result.

I watched the 1st. period then switched to RebelMoon. Didn't want to endure the expected.

Leafs have a backup starting, and 2 defenders a couple years past safe to consume date.

They can't hide those issues against real NHL teams.

Tier 2 team right now.

 

[bax]

I hope Robertson likes Calgary, because I'm pretty sure he is going to end up there at some point before early March.

It’s pretty clear his time in Toronto is over.

 

[Stephen]

I expected this result.

I watched the 1st. period then switched to RebelMoon. Didn't want to endure the expected.

Leafs have a backup starting, and 2 defenders a couple years past safe to consume date.

They can't hide those issues against real NHL teams.

Tier 2 team right now.

I'm thinking that skipping the Wings game tomorrow and watching a little NFL playoffs might be a better use of down time.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

They should be truthful and say something along the lines of “ I wish we had better coaching, more speed, better D and a little more jam in our skilled players.”

The players love Keefe, and I personally don't think he's the problem. I think Shannahan is too involved in decisions, from player personnel to systems. Hopefully the new boss can get rid of him, then re-evaluate from there.

 

[Rare Jewel]

When you have to pay elite prices in this market to fund the try before you buy pricing around the league, you're damn right I'm going to be petulant when this market is treated like this by the league. Colorado came in here on our HNIC night, and the league fixed them up like they were walking into Columbus.

You think LA Dodger fans would enjoy their team being salary capped to Milwaukee Brewers budget while getting bullshit calls so the Colorado Rockies can walk away with a nice W? They might be upset too.

Where does it say if you have a higher revenue that, you get preferential treatment from the referees? That's just about the most unsporting thing you could come up with.

 

[Steven1562]

This just isn’t a serious team this season. 4 of our last 5 losses happened because the Leafs blew a multi-goal lead. Can blame goaltending, refs, whatever, fact of the matter is this team isn’t anywhere close to a Stanley Cup contender. If we’re lucky they’ll win one playoff round again.

One playoff round? Not with this defense. It's like swiss cheese out there. Holes everywhere. If we're lucky we get to game 7 where we proceed to shit the bed again. It's rinse and repeat with this core. This is what happens when you build all offense no defense teams. Last years team defense was light-years ahead of this one. That's why we finally won a round after 19 years.

 

[HolyCrap]

They will.

 

[TonsofPuppies]

It’s pretty clear his time in Toronto is over.

A shame, but no big loss as far as I'm concerned. Had great potential that was derailed by a series of extremely unlucky injuries + COVID. Turns out being born on Sept 11, 2001 is as much of a bad omen as you would expect. He'll never be anything more than a tweener, imo.

 

[Gabriel426]

Is it Defence, goalie or just the fact that, as a team, we are just not as good as we think. No doubt, AM, MM, Willie, Reilly and JT are great players in the league but how often had they all played great in the same game and make others better than they are.

 

[wingman75]

Avs wanted to trade chances all game. This was actually the perfect game to play Robertson, who is pacing for 20 goals and 40 points in limited ice-time

The fact you think this team needs more scoring.. I dunno what to say man.

They had a 3-0 lead, and could not hold it. They had a 3-1 lead on Thursday and could not hold it... and so many more just this season.

Robertson's current game does not feed into a shut it down style, in fact, we have seen him contribute to the giveaways and enable the opponent more than anything, yes even his fantasy 20 goals.

All that being said, the other guys are not getting the job done either, so what's the harm I suppose?

I am not a fan of how he plays, and welcome him proving me to be an idiot.

 

[Mr_Fun]

If they said they didn't see the play, they would have some plausible deniability at least. To claim what they (the refs) are claiming suggests to me that they're seeing what they want to see, or, they're just flat out lying because they can't admit they goofed the call.

 

[ToneDog]

It’s pretty clear his time in Toronto is over.

Wonder what Dubas would give up for him.

 

[TonsofPuppies]

They will.

Don't know what kinda good shit you're smoking, my dude, but it's rude not to share.

 

[meefer]

They should be truthful and say something along the lines of “ I wish we had better coaching, more speed, better D and a little more jam in our skilled players.”

Should be the lede.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Is that you, Shanny? Those are pretty big words for the shanaplan "genius".

Yeah, it's me; you got me.

I'm not quite sure how Shanahan is relevant here.

 

[BallardEra]

The players love Keefe, and I personally don't think he's the problem. I think Shannahan is too involved in decisions, from player personnel to systems. Hopefully the new boss can get rid of him, then re-evaluate from there.

Shanahan and Keefe both need to go.

 

[Jojalu]

Does anyone still think this team has any chance of winning a cup in the next decade or so?

Dare to dream Racer. Dare to dream

 

[MSZ]

Don't know what kinda good shit you're smoking, my dude, but it's rude not to share.

He didn't say which year is it. They may finally catch Boston by 2067.

 

[Scion]

I mean it's going to sound rough, but when you compare the 5 on 5 impact of an Alex Kerfoot, like just the mechanical basics like skating, puck transporting, clean crisp passes, defensive awareness, just making plays in open ice and penalty killing, I'd say Kerfoot is actually a more responsible, involved and better shift to shift player than Tavares.

When it comes to offensive production (stats), powerplay, net front and below the hash marks grinding and cycling and small area plays, faceoffs, shooting and offensive touch, Tavares comes out way ahead.

But like I say, the flaws in JT's game are masked by the production. But shift to shift, it's often not that pretty with him out there.

JT does so many things that contribute to winning but are often overlooked. His details are impeccable and he is still one of the most lethal forwards in the world around the net, and one of our best forwards on the cycle.

I would also suggest watching JT more closely the next time you have a chance, preferably with the volume off and after you know the outcome to avoid emotional bias. There is a reason JT has put up numbers his entire life, even when he isn't noticeable, and it's not because he is lucky or a stat merchant.

 

[Stephen]

Where does it say if you have a higher revenue that, you get preferential treatment from the referees? That's just about the most unsporting thing you could come up with.

1 powerplay all game vs 4 powerplays, 2x back to back calls at 3-0 and 3 non calls on a tripping on Domi on a 2 on 1, cross check boarding to Matthews in the corner is game management to ensure Colorado could stay in the game relative to what looked like a blowout in progress. They got back to back calls when they were down, they didn't give Toronto a call to stop Colorado comeback momentum.

That is preferential treatment in favour of Colorado to keep interest levels up in one market at the expense of a golden goose market that will eat NHL shit whatever happens. That is the league saying, these saps will pay $150 a period to sit in the lower bowl whatever product is in front of them. We don't mind stacking the deck to keep building that PP feast that is Mackinnon, Rantanen, Makar.

 

[Stephen]

JT does so many things that contribute to winning but are often overlooked. His details are impeccable and he is still one of the most lethal forwards in the world around the net, and of our best forwards on the cycle.

I will disagree wholeheartedly on Tavares' details. The amount of times he's blind spraying that puck from the boards out to open ice is horrendous. He wins faceoffs and can grind it out down low and puck protect, but I categorically reject JT having great details.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Don't know what kinda good shit you're smoking, my dude, but it's rude not to share.

Guy's living in a copium den.

 

[bax]

A shame, but no big loss as far as I'm concerned. Had great potential that was derailed by a series of extremely unlucky injuries + COVID. Turns out being born on Sept 11, 2001 is as much of a bad omen as you would expect. He'll never be anything more than a tweener, imo.

If they can use him to help improve the D then sign me up too. He’ll never be a part of the plan here