Proposal: Leafs Big contract move

[Leaf Fans]

I agree. Would you take Hughes, Ty Smith and 2 1sts for JT, or is that a underpay?

That is not an underpay at all.

 

[TBF1972]

I understand that you're trying to be funny in order to poke fun, but it seems far more like you missed the point than delivered a witty jab.

And you missed the reality that cap space is a valuable asset in a trade.

If Toronto is serious about moving Tavares, the combination of available cap space and location, Tavares is willing to waive his NMC for, will be so rare, that Dubas won't be able to dictate the return.

The Devils shouldn't make the OP at all.

 

[jonlin]

I might be missing some sarcasm here...

But if you are serious ... uh... what are you talking about?

They managed the cap just fine last year? The team had no depth at all and the signings that were brought in all flopped with the exception of Zach Bogosian. Joe Thornton was slow as hell and way over the hill. Jimmy Vesey was a total dud who was waived and left the organization. Travis Boyd did nothing and then got waived. Mikko Lehtonen clearly wasn't an NHL calibre player and got traded. These signings were terrible, did nothing to improve the team and they are all now out of the organization and Dubas went out and signed a bunch of other AHLers to league minimum contracts to plug the holes.

The team is in cap hell and has absolutely no depth.

This Lehtonen part I dont understand? He wasnt even given a chance. His strenghts are on the offensive end and on the PP. He got to play only 9 games and had 3p and a +1. Do you feel 9 games is enough? Did he even play PP?

 

[NMacrules]

The Leafs are going to be in CAP trouble for the next few years. They need to resign Rielly ($7-8 mil per year), Campbell ($2.5-3 mil), and fill out a roster that looks like more than spare parts outside the top 6 (could even say top 4) and top 3 D. The Leafs have also been trading away almost every draft pick we own.

The Leafs could use an upgrade on Def, restock picks and retool the lineup so it is not just stop the Top 4.

The Leafs should trade one of the big 3 contracts Matthews, Marner, or Tavares. In my opinion Tavares would be the one leaving the core group. This would give the Leafs the opportunity to spread the money out and the opportunity to dangle the "C" for Matthews to re-sign longer with a lower CAP hit once the current contract is up in 23-24.

Assuming Tavares waivers his no move.

To Toronto:
Miles Wood
Damon Severson
1st

To NJ:
John Tavares
Ilya Mikheyev

Or

To Toronto:
Neal Pionk
Cole Perfetti

To Jets:
John Tavares

Disgruntled Leaf fan floating ideas.

So you somehow think JT will waive his NTC to go to Winnipeg or New Jersey?
Let me break this down for you. Part of signing in Toronto his agent demanded a complete NTC be in the contract. JT has his family in Toronto. The Leafs are his favourite team.
He has a family of his own now. Is NJ his favourite team? Nope. Does he have family in NJ? Nope. How about the same questions in Winnipeg? Nope and nope.

 

[Cancuks]

The Leafs really screwed themselves, making the Tavares contract buyout proof. Everyone on here maybe except for Leafs fans told you this would happen. You can't build a team with three guys making $11 million a year and expect to have any depth. This isn't the NBA.

 

[93LEAFS]

Tavares has a full NMC, he came back home to play for the Leafs, live in Toronto, and be near his and his wifes family. He isn't waiving it.

 

[LeafGrief]

And you missed the reality that cap space is a valuable asset in a trade.

If Toronto is serious about moving Tavares, the combination of available cap space and location, Tavares is willing to waive his NMC for, will be so rare, that Dubas won't be able to dictate the return.

Dude, I know that cap space is a valuable asset in a trade. Maybe you should go back and have a look at my first post where I point out all the other ways that Tavares is a valuable player to mitigate the cap hit. Cap space is indeed valuable, but a PPG #1C is worth a significant cap hit and the actual dollars owed on his contract also make it a valuable asset. The whole point of having cap space is to use it to put good players on the ice. Having good players is more valuable than cap space, because cap space won't win you games. John Tavares is still a very good player, is only signed until 34 so there's minimal aging risk, and the deal is already attractive to cash-conscious teams. I am absolutely willing to consider that he's overpaid in the current cap environment, but overpaying a #1C by 2m is not even remotely near cap dump territory. Cap space is a tool to get good players like John Tavares, not the other way around.

Your second paragraph is just more yammering about why the Leafs will have to give away a good player for free. I've seen it a thousand times and I just don't care to read fanfiction.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

JT's not going anywhere, for better or worse.

If there's one to move, it's Marner.

But I do think the Leafs "cap issues" are overblown. People have said this for two offseasons in a row and they've managed the cap fine. Next year Kessel's salary retention comes off, so that should pay for some of Rielly's raise (or replacement). They're probably forced to trade Kerfoot to re-sign Campbell, but that's pretty much all the cap maneuvering they'll need to do. It's not that difficult really.

Yes, the regular season and playoff success the last two years has been amazing. Dubas's dumpster deals have brought unprecedented winning to the Leafs. They are the envy of every other team in the league.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yes, the regular season and playoff success the last two years has been amazing. Dubas's dumpster deals have brought unprecedented winning to the Leafs. They are the envy of every other team in the league.

You are getting a little ahead of yourself. We lost. We haven't been good enough. We haven't been to the second round since 2004ish.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes, the regular season and playoff success the last two years has been amazing. Dubas's dumpster deals have brought unprecedented winning to the Leafs. They are the envy of every other team in the league.

Not sure if this sarcasm or not?

 

[sittler rules!!!]

You are getting a little ahead of yourself. We lost. We haven't been good enough. We haven't been to the second round since 2004ish.

I know. Read the thread I was responding to.I was being sarcastic.

 

[mattyboy]

The Leafs are going to be in CAP trouble for the next few years. They need to resign Rielly ($7-8 mil per year), Campbell ($2.5-3 mil), and fill out a roster that looks like more than spare parts outside the top 6 (could even say top 4) and top 3 D. The Leafs have also been trading away almost every draft pick we own.

The Leafs could use an upgrade on Def, restock picks and retool the lineup so it is not just stop the Top 4.

The Leafs should trade one of the big 3 contracts Matthews, Marner, or Tavares. In my opinion Tavares would be the one leaving the core group. This would give the Leafs the opportunity to spread the money out and the opportunity to dangle the "C" for Matthews to re-sign longer with a lower CAP hit once the current contract is up in 23-24.

Assuming Tavares waivers his no move.

To Toronto:
Miles Wood
Damon Severson
1st

To NJ:
John Tavares
Ilya Mikheyev

Or

To Toronto:
Neal Pionk
Cole Perfetti

To Jets:
John Tavares

Disgruntled Leaf fan floating ideas.

Wait.
If Campbell has another strong year, why tf would he accept a backup contract?
$2.5-3m isn’t even market value for a good starter

 

[Leaf Fans]

I know. Read the thread I was responding to.I was being sarcastic.

Maybe, obviously the Leafs have no intention of trading Tavares.

 

[The CyNick]

If its all about money, it will be to a "tax free" state for sure. Who knows how it all works out in the end but obviously i hope he stays here despite our disadvantages with taxes and use our advantages with bonus' and sponsorships.

Financially he is much better off in the States. US TV partners will want him in a US market. It opens him up to be the face of the league in the US. Right now it's hard because while he is an American, he's in a Canadian market. US TV partners have to decide do you air a Toronto game and take a ratings hit from one of the participating markets, or do you pick another lesser American player to be the face of the league south of the border.

I believe his endorsement money would greatly increase if he was in say LA vs Toronto. He would more likely get national endorsements if he's being featured every week on TNT and ESPN.

At the end of the day he will just go where he wants to play long term, but the pressure externally is fully on him to move south.

 

[mydnyte]

The Leafs really screwed themselves, making the Tavares contract buyout proof. Everyone on here maybe except for Leafs fans told you this would happen. You can't build a team with three guys making $11 million a year and expect to have any depth. This isn't the NBA.

JT has been everything we expected and more... Leafs fans generally have no issue with him, or his play.
the salary cap will go up, and we'll be happy to keep JT ...90% of all teams are in cap trouble and many dont even have one player as good as JT, he has severely been underrated since he became a Leafs player.

 

[Henkka]

Nylander to Detroit.

How would that work?

 

[Mulletman]

Yeah, the Jets like not having contracts worth over $8 million. Captain Wheeler being an exception, but still a good example of why not to do it. We would never take on a $11m player, and we definitely wouldn't give up assets to do it.

How about Tavares for Wheeler straight up? Both are declining, but people view Tavares as better so it could be sold to the Jets fanbase. Wheeler would give my Leafs some much needed extra cap space, so we can afford to sgin Rielly and give Matthews a rase after his contract is up.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

How about Tavares for Wheeler straight up? Both are declining, but people view Tavares as better so it could be sold to the Jets fanbase. Wheeler would give my Leafs some much needed extra cap space, so we can afford to sgin Rielly and give Matthews a rase after his contract is up.

We don't have the extra $2.75 million in cap and the Jets' org is wayyy too loyal to do anything like that.

 

[Hunter368]

We don't have the extra $2.75 million in cap and the Jets' org is wayyy too loyal to do anything like that.

Both players aren’t worth their cap hits at this stage (not uncommon for players their age), but with Wheeler it’s done in 3yrs x 8.25 mil whereas JT has 4 yrs x 11 million. IMO Jets stick with Wheeler.

 

[AvroArrow]

Tavares is retiring here. I mentioned it before he signed as well, my sister works with his wife, the plan was to come home play here and retire in Toronto and settle with his family. No chance he waives.

 

[The Wayner]

Tavares is retiring here. I mentioned it before he signed as well, my sister works with his wife, the plan was to come home play here and retire in Toronto and settle with his family. No chance he waives.

This. He is not going anywhere, he has control, and I guarantee Dubas isn't even contemplating moving him whatsoever as it is.

 

[FerrisRox]

This Lehtonen part I dont understand? He wasnt even given a chance. His strenghts are on the offensive end and on the PP. He got to play only 9 games and had 3p and a +1. Do you feel 9 games is enough? Did he even play PP?

You seem to be missing the point. He wasn't the answer. He was another band-aid brought in and quickly shuffled out. That's the nature of trying to fill roster spots with zero money, your depth is lousy.

The Leafs first round loss had multiple factors, but a big part of Montreal's success later in that series was exploiting Rasmus Sandin. They dumped into his corner when he was on the ice because they knew they could exploit that he was playing scared and turning the puck over every time he heard footsteps. I'm sure the Leafs would have loved to have had a capable veteran blue liner to put in so they wouldn't have had to put him out there, but when you have no room under the cap, you can't afford that kind of depth. You have hope your young players on entry level contracts or your veteran journeyman on league minimum deals can get the job done.

 

[Mulletman]

We don't have the extra $2.75 million in cap and the Jets' org is wayyy too loyal to do anything like that.

Yeah but people tell me Tavares is so good that he could make Ehlers into a 35+ goal scorer and Conner into a 40+ goal scorer! That's got to be worth the extra 2.75 million, right?!

 

[Oddbob]

John Tavares is leaving his childhood favourite team for New Jersey?

 

[JAK]

Leafs fans : we are not in cap trouble, we just need to find depth players to sign for league minimum and play like they are $3m players, and also bring in unproven players and hope they can be top 6 players. And then we can't afford to pay them.

Come on people.