Proposal: Leafs Big contract move

[HuGo Sham]

On the cap its 11M. But he doesnt make 11milion next 4 years, his bonus is also paid for this season. So his actual cost averages around 6.2M a year.
But yeah, why would he waive his NTC. If someone is traded, its Marner or Nylander.

ah ok that's much more digestible. I still think it's a PR nightmare for the leafs if they ask one of their stars, a star who came home, to now waive and leave halfway through.
Marner has a big contract too, even though he's a quality player - he's gaining a rep for being invisible in the playoffs.
nylander is definitely movable, but he has the best deal of the 4. Maybe you move marner for an equally, expensive top 2 Dman - but leafs may have to add a little

 

[HugeInTheShire]

The Leafs are going to be in CAP trouble for the next few years. They need to resign Rielly ($7-8 mil per year), Campbell ($2.5-3 mil), and fill out a roster that looks like more than spare parts outside the top 6 (could even say top 4) and top 3 D. The Leafs have also been trading away almost every draft pick we own.

The Leafs could use an upgrade on Def, restock picks and retool the lineup so it is not just stop the Top 4.

The Leafs should trade one of the big 3 contracts Matthews, Marner, or Tavares. In my opinion Tavares would be the one leaving the core group. This would give the Leafs the opportunity to spread the money out and the opportunity to dangle the "C" for Matthews to re-sign longer with a lower CAP hit once the current contract is up in 23-24.

Assuming Tavares waivers his no move.

To Toronto:
Miles Wood
Damon Severson
1st

To NJ:
John Tavares
Ilya Mikheyev

Or

To Toronto:
Neal Pionk
Cole Perfetti

To Jets:
John Tavares

Disgruntled Leaf fan floating ideas.

Change it to Marner for Wood and Severson and you're a lot closer to a deal
JT doesn't pull even close to these kinds of packages, assuming he'd waive which I think would be unlikely.
IMO he's rapidly heading towards being negative value and with Hischier and Hughes the Devils aren't in the market for a high priced center

 

[Edgelord]

Guys we can't trade J.T. If he still is a serviceable player its in our best interests to treat him like gold. He is an example of a star player returning home and to trade him so soon would set a horrible example. After all its all part of the McDavid recruitment plan. If he sees us throw away J.T thats gonna sit badly with him and players wanting to come home.

 

[Edgelord]

Change it to Marner for Wood and Severson and you're a lot closer to a deal
JT doesn't pull even close to these kinds of packages, assuming he'd waive which I think would be unlikely.
IMO he's rapidly heading towards being negative value and with Hischier and Hughes the Devils aren't in the market for a high priced center

Marner for Wood and Severson? did you go far the other way to emphasize how you felt about the 1st offer?

 

[Willy Stylez]

ah ok that's much more digestible. I still think it's a PR nightmare for the leafs if they ask one of their stars, a star who came home, to now waive and leave halfway through.
Marner has a big contract too, even though he's a quality player - he's gaining a rep for being invisible in the playoffs.
nylander is definitely movable, but he has the best deal of the 4. Maybe you move marner for an equally, expensive top 2 Dman - but leafs may have to add a little

Yeah agreed that would be a bad move, Tavares is there for at least 3 more years (Matthews contract ends that year).

Marner has the same cost for next 4 years at 6.2M and Nylander around 4.8M for next 3 which is a variable that has big value.

Nothing is going to happen though, they are commited to them this season. If they fail this year too next off season is going to be very interesting.

 

[kevsh]

As soon as you start to write anything about Tavares being traded, just stop.

It's been said hundred times (at least a dozen by me alone) and apparently will have to be said a few hundred times more: JT has a full NMC and there is no chance Dubas asks him to waive it. (Believing otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding of how Dubas operates, or any GM would in this situation, given that Tavares made the almost unprecedented, and controversial move - asks Isles fans - of leaving the team that drafted him to come back to sign & play in the city he grew up in.)

Ask again going into the final year of the deal, maybe. Until then, just no.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Marner for Wood and Severson? did you go far the other way to emphasize how you felt about the 1st offer?

Kind of lol
I didn't say it was acceptable, just a lot closer than the original
the OP, took no consideration of the other teams needs, just picked the players and picks they wanted and sent whatever they felt back.. NJ should have zero interest in JT, just as he'd have no interest in the Devils.. at least my proposal has the players he wanted and a guy the Devils would be interested in

The fact that they had NJ giving up a 1st is mind blowing.. and didn't go unnoticed that his hope was likely the Devils continuing to suck while having another shot at 1OA next year

 

[Holymakinaw]

Well.............the JT signing went south pretty quick...ruthless fans I guess.
He left money on the table they said.........he will be a great captain they said....
Geez guys, easy does it, he got injured in the playoffs this year, and now you want him gone?

One or two guys do. The vast majority of Leaf fans do not.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Rust, Dumoulin, and Poulin for Marner + Mikhyev


Dumo replaces Reilly so they let him walk or trade him now. Rust can put up 55-60 playing with JT or Matthews. Poulin is NHL ready prospect for cheap talent the leafs can use.

 

[The CyNick]

Don't see Tavares agreeing to be moved. He came home to be close to family and to settle down with his now wife. Any trade for him would require salary retention.

Nylander could be moved, but even though he was overpaid at the time of his deal, right now his deal is the best of the core four.

Marner is a winger who can't perform in the playoffs but is paid like a top five player in the league. Hard to imagine you get the value you would want if you are moving a player of his stature.

Matthews should return the best value, but would teams pay enough top end pieces to possibly only get Matthews for a couple years before he becomes a UFA. I guess if the team trading for him is confident that's where he wants to be long term, the they would do it. It would have to be a team in win now mode though. Only one that makes sense to me is Vegas. I think LA and Anaheim are the most likely landing spots for Matthews in free agency, but those teams would be better off waiting for free agency and save their young assets. Comes down to are any of those franchises getting pressure from ownership to speed up the rebuild.

I think Leafs are better off trading Reilly this season to avoid paying him top D pair money next offseason.

 

[gojetsgo]

The Jets don't have a player worth a 10M+ contract. If Laine worked out, he'd be paid that much.

pretty sure hellebuyck could get 10+ on the open market

 

[Apex Predator]

Guys we can't trade J.T. If he still is a serviceable player its in our best interests to treat him like gold. He is an example of a star player returning home and to trade him so soon would set a horrible example. After all its all part of the McDavid recruitment plan. If he sees us throw away J.T thats gonna sit badly with him and players wanting to come home.

I find it funny that everyone talks about Mcdavid to Toronto in the future but when Matthews to Arizona gets brought up everyone freaks.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Well.............the JT signing went south pretty quick...ruthless fans I guess.
He left money on the table they said.........he will be a great captain they said....
Geez guys, easy does it, he got injured in the playoffs this year, and now you want him gone?

A minority of the fans do.

 

[The CyNick]

I find it funny that everyone talks about Mcdavid to Toronto in the future but when Matthews to Arizona gets brought up everyone freaks.

Arizona seems unlikely to me. Their franchise is in turmoil and a non factor for the US TV networks. The league and Matthews agent will be trying to persuade him to play in a major US market, likely in the West. California makes the most sense.

If he's dead set on playing in Arizona nothing they can do to stop him. But he'll be leaving a lot of money on the table if he chooses Arizona over the LA market or even Vegas.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Arizona seems unlikely to me. Their franchise is in turmoil and a non factor for the US TV networks. The league and Matthews agent will be trying to persuade him to play in a major US market, likely in the West. California makes the most sense.

If he's dead set on playing in Arizona nothing they can do to stop him. But he'll be leaving a lot of money on the table if he chooses Arizona over the LA market or even Vegas.

If its all about money, it will be to a "tax free" state for sure. Who knows how it all works out in the end but obviously i hope he stays here despite our disadvantages with taxes and use our advantages with bonus' and sponsorships.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

I think, HF Torontonians politely ask John to wave his NMC and he will do it...

along with the hometown discount he gave em.. and Hyman.. and...

and where's Bracco in the deal?

 

[New User Name]

As a Leafs fan all I can say is Leafs are absolutely f***ed.

Dubas caved with Nylander, caved with Marner, caved with Matthews.

McDavid gave the Oilers a discount because he cares about the team. Nylander, Marner, Matthews greedy bastards.

 

[TBF1972]

The Leafs are going to be in CAP trouble for the next few years. They need to resign Rielly ($7-8 mil per year), Campbell ($2.5-3 mil), and fill out a roster that looks like more than spare parts outside the top 6 (could even say top 4) and top 3 D. The Leafs have also been trading away almost every draft pick we own.

The Leafs could use an upgrade on Def, restock picks and retool the lineup so it is not just stop the Top 4.

The Leafs should trade one of the big 3 contracts Matthews, Marner, or Tavares. In my opinion Tavares would be the one leaving the core group. This would give the Leafs the opportunity to spread the money out and the opportunity to dangle the "C" for Matthews to re-sign longer with a lower CAP hit once the current contract is up in 23-24.

Assuming Tavares waivers his no move.

To Toronto:
Miles Wood
Damon Severson
1st

To NJ:
John Tavares
Ilya Mikheyev

Or

To Toronto:
Neal Pionk
Cole Perfetti

To Jets:
John Tavares

Disgruntled Leaf fan floating ideas.

does the team getting tavares has a say in it or just has to accept the proposal?

in case yes, the devils want to keep the 1st and severson.

the devils were a bottom 3 team last season and won't trade a potential lottery pick during their rebuild.
the devils also have zero organizational depth on the right hand side of the defense. trading severson is a no-go.

if the leafs are interested in shaving cap to resign rielly, a trade around subban (even with retention) could be a possibility. unfortunately i am not interested in marner (the contract) or tavares and matthews for sure isn't available. same probably with nylander.

so thanks for the offer, but no thanks from new jersey.

 

[LeafGrief]

John Tavares is 30 years old. His contract ends when he is 34, a few months before his 35th birthday.

To date, he has been paid 52.24 out of the 77m in his contract. He is owed an average of 6.19m over the rest of his four years. After playing this year for the Leafs, he will be owed 7.95m per year for the final full three years.

John Tavares is still a #1C in the NHL and a good one at that. It is very funny reading about how it would take cap dumps coming back to get rid of him. Unfortunately for you guys, our cap situation does not actually mean that we're going to be handing out a #1C for scraps to some other team.

Our cap situation may be whack, but we're not going to get rid of an All-Star player for cheap.

 

[MattMartin]

All Lou's fault, signing Matthews, Marner, and Tavares to those ridiculous deals.

 

[MattMartin]

John Tavares is 30 years old. His contract ends when he is 34, a few months before his 35th birthday.

To date, he has been paid 52.24 out of the 77m in his contract. He is owed an average of 6.19m over the rest of his four years. After playing this year for the Leafs, he will be owed 7.95m per year for the final full three years.

John Tavares is still a #1C in the NHL and a good one at that. It is very funny reading about how it would take cap dumps coming back to get rid of him. Unfortunately for you guys, our cap situation does not actually mean that we're going to be handing out a #1C for scraps to some other team.

Our cap situation may be whack, but we're not going to get rid of an All-Star player for cheap.

I agree. Would you take Hughes, Ty Smith and 2 1sts for JT, or is that a underpay?

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

John Tavares is 30 years old. His contract ends when he is 34, a few months before his 35th birthday.

To date, he has been paid 52.24 out of the 77m in his contract. He is owed an average of 6.19m over the rest of his four years. After playing this year for the Leafs, he will be owed 7.95m per year for the final full three years.

John Tavares is still a #1C in the NHL and a good one at that. It is very funny reading about how it would take cap dumps coming back to get rid of him. Unfortunately for you guys, our cap situation does not actually mean that we're going to be handing out a #1C for scraps to some other team.

Our cap situation may be whack, but we're not going to get rid of an All-Star player for cheap.

shouldn't be getting rid of him at all. he's still a hell of a player, and him missing in the playoffs was very noticeable

 

[Kshahdoo]

As a Leafs fan all I can say is Leafs are absolutely f***ed.

Dubas caved with Nylander, caved with Marner, caved with Matthews.

McDavid gave the Oilers a discount because he cares about the team. Nylander, Marner, Matthews greedy bastards.

I'd say Nylander is worth his money. Matthews probably too, he had to play better in playoffs though. Marner is overpaid, especially considering his postseason suckage.

 

[LeafGrief]

shouldn't be getting rid of him at all. he's still a hell of a player, and him missing in the playoffs was very noticeable

I think that's the obvious answer, myself.

I agree. Would you take Hughes, Ty Smith and 2 1sts for JT, or is that a underpay?

I understand that you're trying to be funny in order to poke fun, but it seems far more like you missed the point than delivered a witty jab.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

I think that's the obvious answer, myself.


I understand that you're trying to be funny in order to poke fun, but it seems far more like you missed the point than delivered a witty jab.

if ya gotta dump a forward contract (and that's an IF.. not saying you HAVE to) Marner should be the odd man out. REALLY nice player, but getting SOME kind of cap relief and replace it with either a heavy winger or a heavy dman would be idea.. again, IMO