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Post-Game Talk: Leafs beat Oilers (and refs!) 4-3. We're going streaking!

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Refereeing was absolutely embarrassing. It made the game close (I despise game management from officials), but in the end probably enabled us to get the win. So really, it sucked for all involved.

Love the fact this team is finding ways to win when everything doesn't go their way.

I am very concerned at our 5-on-5 play though. It is not good enough. Are we even a + team 5-on-5? If we are, then the teams we have been playing are complete trash.

Also for those calling for a 4th line with Spezza on the wing, I don't think that is our path to success... Jason is not a good winger based on the eye test, he is much more impactful as a centre. Engvall can succeed on the wing though, so no issue with the line combo, just the positions.
 
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CabanaBoy5 said:
I agree, but 3 calls against us were atrocious. Are you doubting the refs have been particularly biased against us this season? If you are you haven’t been watching the games. It started from the vicious crosschecks Matthews endured the first game. The propensity for calls against us EACH game has been alarming. On the other hand, for a team that has had so much possession we get very few calls in our favour.
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3??? Where the third one? Penalty on holl was bad callnd the second slash on kerfoot. Leafs deserved the 5 other penalty.
 
wingman75 said:
Refereeing was absolutely embarrassing. It made the game close (I despise game management from officials), but in the end probably enabled us to get the win. So really, it sucked for all involved.

Love the fact this team is finding ways to win when everything doesn't go their way.

I am very concerned at our 5-on-5 play though. It is not good enough. Are we even a + team 5-on-5? If we are, then the teams we have been playing are complete trash.

Also for those calling for a 4th line with Spezza on the wing, I don't think that is our path to success... Jason is not a good winger based on the eye test, he is much more impactful as a centre. Engvall can succeed on the wing though, so no issue with the line combo, just the positions.
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I agree with this whole post, well said.

On the reffing, though - I think this game was heading towards a Leafs blowout before the refs made 2 or 3 soft/phantom calls in a row, including the Kerfoot call which eventually led to the 5 on 3 goal. I think this game would have looked very different if Edmonton wasn't gifted 10 minutes of PP time in the 2nd period, much of it undeserved.

We really need to clean up our stick work. Officiating is awful in the NHL, and that's not changing, so we must adjust.

Encouraging to see our PP still humming, though. It's keeping us at the top.
 
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The bright side of the reffing shenanigans is hopefully this makes them stronger. Us vs them. Comfort with adversity, playing tighter hockey and improves discipline. Bring it on.
 
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Lumberg said:
Going to have make some decisions on some guys:
Soup - if he can't produce where does he belong?
Barb - he's not getting much ice time, but he's not doing much with it when he does
Vesey - he's just meh to me

I'd like to see Anderson given another shot, keep Boyd in for now and rotate Engvall, Spezza or some combination of
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Thornton Matthews Marner
Hyman Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Kerfoot Simmonds
Engvall Spezza Boyd
Anderson

Thats probably the best lineup thus far. Agreed on Barb and Vesey. Would love to have Anderson or even Robertson (when healthy) in the lineup but too many bodies. The Engvall - Boyd - Anderson line looked great the other night. They had good energy, were great on the forecheck but I was surprised at how well they maintained posession/ kept the opposition contained in their half of the rink.
 
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Cream is rising to the top.

A nice little winning streak is starting to put some daylight in the standings particularly against the Alberta teams.

Leafs PP is on fire and carrying the team.
 
zeke said:
When do their 2 "MVP"s start getting the blame?

Has a "2 MVP" team ever been this bad for this long?
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I said it the GDT - guys with minimal/lower skill trying to play the skilled game is very difficult to watch and ineffective.

Oilers management is a text book of lessons learned on how not to build a franchise
 
Seeing as we get stuck with the same refs in the Canadian division, Here a turning point goal from the other night:



I wonder if that announce team likes Vancouver? :sarcasm:

I have no clue how the players know what is legal and what is not. Pure officiating lunacy at this point and guess whos getting hosed the worst?

Share of PP time this year:

Winnipeg: 64.53%
Calgary: 58.59%
Edmonton: 51.42%
Ottawa: 51.27%
Montreal: 46.5%
Vancouver: 46.33%
Toronto: 37.88%
 
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Wayner looks like almost vintage Wayner. I think i was expecting the physicality whether it meant the odd fight here and there, and finishing his checks. I was not expecting him to have his speed back. I have been really impressed with his whole game TBH. Talk about a guy who deserves it too. I really hope he can keep this up, and takes another hometown discount next season. But if not, this poor guy deserves a good contract somewhere else. He has to be one of the most underpayed 500 pt players in NHL history. Relitive to the era he's played in obviously. Still looks to have some game left. Nice to see him scoring, total bonus
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
But remember guys Wayne Simmonds is bad because @zeke said so it doesn't matter that he's scored in 3 straight games
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I noticed from the first game that something was there.
I believe I commented that Simmons was a lot more mobile and skilled than I expected.
Playing on a new team takes some getting used to. Simmonds will likely turn out to be a pretty valuable signing.
 
Zybalto said:
Seeing as we get stuck with the same refs in the Canadian division, Here a turning point goal from the other night:



I wonder if that announce team likes Vancouver? :sarcasm:

I have no clue how the players know what is legal and what is not. Pure officiating lunacy at this point and guess whos getting hosed the worst?

Share of PP time this year:

Winnipeg: 64.53%
Calgary: 58.59%
Edmonton: 51.42%
Ottawa: 51.27%
Montreal: 46.5%
Vancouver: 46.33%
Toronto: 37.88%
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it has been absolutely pathetic to be quite frank. I have no clue how the Leafs have been so quiet about it. I am just so baffled how they can consistently come out on the short end of the PP game in and game out. The most egregious call last night was the Kerf second "slash". at that point in the game the Oilers had had 3 PP, to the Leafs 1. Traditionalists would say "the next one is ours". Meaning, aside from the obvious, nothing will get called untill the PP's even up. Is that the right way to officiate? probably not, but that's how it historically happens. yet, that was called. It was so bad, i did not even need a replay to know how bad it was. Absolute garbage. Consequently, Hyman takes an actual tripping call 30 seconds later, which may or may not have happened had we not been on the PK. And now they are given a 1.5 minute 5-3. So what was an absolute joke of a call, now turned into an almost guaranteed goal, and allowed a pretty dull oilers team back into the game. In my mind, we should have went into that 2nd intermission up 2-0. Its not OK, the Leafs need to address this. The stats are there to back any argument they'd surface
 
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Zybalto said:
Seeing as we get stuck with the same refs in the Canadian division, Here a turning point goal from the other night:



I wonder if that announce team likes Vancouver? :sarcasm:

I have no clue how the players know what is legal and what is not. Pure officiating lunacy at this point and guess whos getting hosed the worst?

Share of PP time this year:

Winnipeg: 64.53%
Calgary: 58.59%
Edmonton: 51.42%
Ottawa: 51.27%
Montreal: 46.5%
Vancouver: 46.33%
Toronto: 37.88%
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Of course we're last by a large margin...
 
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IPS said:
Of course we're last by a large margin...
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It's very odd that for the majority of the Matthews, Marner era the Leafs have been right at the bottom in powerplay opportunities. Every year.
 
Refereeing was brutal for both sides, felt like they were just calling make up call after make up call. I hope the league steps in and talks to these scrubs. Refereeing should not have that huge of an effect on the outcome of the game.

Put your f***ing whistles away and let them play.

'uuuuuuge win tho. GO LEAFS
 
BAM said:
It's very odd that for the majority of the Matthews, Marner era the Leafs have been right at the bottom in powerplay opportunities. Every year.
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In terms of PP opportunities, we're actually getting way more than previous years.

But in terms of PIM, apparently we're just a bunch of undisciplined turds this year.

it's really no secret. We've spent the large majority of our games leading, and the refs are incredibly obsessed with calling us on anything when we're leading.
 
Twine Tickler said:
it has been absolutely pathetic to be quite frank. I have no clue how the Leafs have been so quiet about it. I am just so baffled how they can consistently come out on the short end of the PP game in and game out. The most egregious call last night was the Kerf second "slash". at that point in the game the Oilers had had 3 PP, to the Leafs 1. Traditionalists would say "the next one is ours". Meaning, aside from the obvious, nothing will get called untill the PP's even up. Is that the right way to officiate? probably not, but that's how it historically happens. yet, that was called. It was so bad, i did not even need a replay to know how bad it was. Absolute garbage. Consequently, Hyman takes an actual tripping call 30 seconds later, which may or may not have happened had we not been on the PK. And now they are given a 1.5 minute 5-3. So what was an absolute joke of a call, now turned into an almost guaranteed goal, and allowed a pretty dull oilers team back into the game. In my mind, we should have went into that 2nd intermission up 2-0. Its not OK, the Leafs need to address this. The stats are there to back any argument they'd surface
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These things usually level out in the end as its super rare to even have a sub 45 or plus 55 PP share at the end of seasons but its quality (or lack thereof) of the penalty calls that is the worst part of all of this.

Even seeing the "Im so objective I wont even mention these sort of things" broadcasts starting to raise their eyebrows shows how bad its starting to get.

Leafs are 7-2 though which shows the quality of team they have this year and has certainly quieted frustrations from many but if we get near the 20 game mark and things havnt changed, it might get ugly for the officials and the league. I swear I through my remote across the room when Brodie got crosschecked in the numbers at the end there in front of the ref with no call after all that other nonsense. A mix of zero consistency, awful game management, guessing games and sheer buffoonery last night.
 
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